FYI not affiliated with this sign
Looks very nice, but also looks kinda new
No Reserve: Illuminated Hertz GT350H Sign for sale on BaT Auctions - ending February 6 (Lot #135,566) | Bring a Trailer
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/hertz-gt-350h-sign/
That is a very cool sign.
Corey
Sold and going to California.
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 31, 2024, 08:29:46 AM
Sold and going to California.
very happy that "The Sign Genies" made someone very happy by constantly providing free information on this lovely forum !
I just viewed the auction and it shows 6 days to go with a $3500 current bid. Am I missing something?
Craig R.
Lets see what happens, I think I can see the future, but one never knows!
Never seen one of these before.
Some provenance would be awesome
I made a somewhat brief comment on the auction because I don't wanna go out of my way to cast doubt on someone's object if I dont KNOW that it's a made up deal...but there are many aspects of the sign that sort of raise an eyebrow or two given the seller's claim that it is an original 1966 produced sign.
Just as with the cars...lots of wiggle room here via semantics but the implication made by the seller thus far is clearly that the sign was used at a Hertz desk in 1966 and has always had the GT350H verbiage on it.
Meh...like I said, I can't say for certain that it wasn't...but I have serious doubts.
Kind regards,
Vern
I submit these to the discussion.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/large-lighted-ford-shelby-cobra-3762866480
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1966-shelby-mustang-car-hertz-gt-350-rent-lighted
https://www.ebay.es/itm/144493548354
Interesting they would have multiple sign companies making very similar plastic signs. I would think that would be farmed out to a single vendor, but maybe not?
Would be interesting to see if these are the same seller?
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 01, 2024, 06:56:20 AM
I submit these to the discussion.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/large-lighted-ford-shelby-cobra-3762866480
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1966-shelby-mustang-car-hertz-gt-350-rent-lighted
https://www.ebay.es/itm/144493548354
Interesting they would have multiple sign companies making very similar plastic signs. I would think that would be farmed out to a single vendor, but maybe not?
Would be interesting to see if these are the same seller?
Dang you are also an archeologist !
What pyramid where these "rare" items discovered at ?
But they can't compare to the illuminated sign
The sign on BAT has a 3 prong with ground wire plug. Petes examples look to only have 2 wires. 3 prong ground wasn't standard in residential until 1970 forward.
Should this have a 3 wire or 2? It could have been replaced.
In reply #9 I noticed in the first link (ford- shelby- cobra sign ) that the sign says "Shelby America" not Shelby American!
Quote from: davez on February 01, 2024, 08:49:55 AM
The sign on BAT has a 3 prong with ground wire plug. Petes examples look to only have 2 wires. 3 prong ground wasn't standard in residential until 1970 forward.
Should this have a 3 wire or 2? It could have been replaced.
Great observation , I also noticed that. I think a two prong lamp cord would be correct for sixties.
But having said that what if it had a frayed cord, then it could have been replaced by a more modern three prong version.
Still a neat sign, much more than I could to purchase at this point
Dave, I am not pretending to be a sign expert, but if these keep popping up, there may be some smoke....
I expect the sign is a recent creation. The graphics can be easily placed on the milky white covers and the framing made. Look at the attached images with another Shelby American Signs. I have seen the first one half a dozen or so times. At the time, the seller advertised as "used" and with some wear, trying to imply it might be period from back in the day. The second sign with clock, maybe 3 times. The seller has too many of these signs to be from the 60's. He was careful on his wording. I think this HERTZ sign is much newer than the seller is saying. This other examples are not proof, but suggest it could be recently made.
Cory
So just to be clear these other signs were sold by him as well?
I guess if he is associated with the sign where the company name is misspelled, I would also call shenanigans
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 01, 2024, 04:38:07 PM
So just to be clear these other signs were sold by him as well?
I guess if he is associated with the sign where the company name is misspelled, I would also call shenanigans
I can't tell if it is the same guy, but I found my earlier thread on the same subject "SAI Lighted Signs."
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=14310.0
Cory
I note in your post its also called "Shelby America" in the auction. That would seem to indicate a connection with the other auction.
Not necessarily connected to the BaT auction, but his time is short if he is making them.
The Shelby Police now have an open case file
I'd also say the missing period between "G" and "T" is a red flag. Here are four examples from back in the day, color folder, rate schedule, bag and postcard. They all have the period between "G" and "T". They are all the same sequence of characters and punctuation, periods and dashes. This doesn't prove it's a recent creation, but doesn't help making it 58+ years old.
Cory
Quote from: 6s1640 on February 01, 2024, 07:26:27 PM
I'd also say the missing period between "G" and "T" is a red flag. Here are four examples from back in the day, color folder, rate schedule, bag and postcard. They all have the period between "G" and "T". They are all the same sequence of characters and punctuation, periods and dashes. This doesn't prove it's a recent creation, but doesn't help making it 58+ years old.
Cory
Good point and good catch. I think that puts the nail in the coffin.
The newer repo hertz signs are also missing the g.t. like the BAT sign. I been collecting 50 60era signs,clocks, etc for 40 years and traveled all over north america collecting them and mine have old 2 prong plugs and i never seen a shelby hertz backlite sign before or know anybody who has one. It is an old kool sign but were the inserts made up or changed as the center magazine add pages sign design i have never seen before also the telesign chicago ill sticker has a zip code . I dont think its a repo sign but maybe an old original that has been modified. Back years ago a guy was buying old original cheaper clocks and changing the advertizing faceplate and converting them to move valuable FORD etc clocks but he had an original to copy from and over the years these rare clocks started showing up at swap meets etc. He had borrowed some paper signs from me back 30 some years ago to make him a copy because he couldnt find an original and started selling them so i never had anymore dealing with him. He was making good money selling his made up collectables and got more greedy and got into RARE VERY valuable collectors posters and started selling some professionally made copys for big money. Well about that time ebay and the internet came along and people started talking about how these rare posters were found and being sold off. He got into big trouble and had to do time. The old sign market is crazy and signs are being made now to look old show up at auctions and bring more money than u can buy them for now new if u look around.
So, possibly what is on the BaT auction is a contemporary illuminated sign from the 60's, but the content/middle section is not?
Would you really have that small print on something most people are going to see from a distance? Asking for a friend.
Why would the center 66 shelby insert have to be changed out to WHAT ELSE? When the bottom says 66 hertz shelby the sign wouldnt be interchangable or they would have to change the bottom also around ya think? Look at rear sign was wall mounted not countertop so it would be hard to read from a distance on wall behind hertz rental counter. The yellow union made decal has a ink stamped date ?? ?? APR and the year ink stamp looks removed to the left of APR. HUMMMM. The seller had it since 2000 so he should know who or where he got it from and back then signs werent bringing big money and he could have got it from a serious hertz shelby guy who modified the sign to his liking back years ago . U would think all the serious old shelby memorbilia guys ( barnes radke cowls atzbox the detroit area guys etc)would have one of these signs or know of any ya think? Its still a kool looking sign for the shelby hertz guy who has to have everything hertz shelby related even if it ends up being a 1 of none haha.
Look at john atzbach shelby mecum road art auction lot H247 original 60s hertz clock sign and it has a trademark R circle under the Z in HERTZ.
Quote from: FL SAAC on January 30, 2024, 01:47:01 PM
FYI not affiliated with this sign
Looks very nice, but also looks kinda new
No Reserve: Illuminated Hertz GT350H Sign for sale on BaT Auctions - ending February 6 (Lot #135,566) | Bring a Trailer
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/hertz-gt-350h-sign/
Heck all I wanted to do was point out this neat sign to any GTH collectors.
But now the plot thickens !
Here is a metal sign that I purchased about 15 years ago that was purportedly from an airport back in the day. Also shown is a later light-up sign that I added to my collection maybe around 10-12 years ago.
Craig R.
Here is a laminated plastic sign that I bought 15-20 years ago I think. Someone made it up so that you can back light it. I can remember the same guy selling complete hanging lighted signs. He wasn't trying to pass them off as genuine however. Notice the artist missed the needed period on this one too.
In regards to mention of the zip code on the back, they went into use in 1963.
yes zip code was started in 63 but not used much until late 60s from what i seen. I seen ford papers in 67-68 era without zip code but 69 papers with zip codes so as time goes on more zip codes show up being used.
With THREE days left, it's at $4000 U. S. Dollars
Is this a great country or what !
sold $25,000 time buyer gets sign home oh well i hope he likes it and one bidder says he can resell it for more to WHO?
Sold Sold Sold ! $24,250
Anybody know how BAT handles the commission on signs?
Quote from: Special Ed on February 06, 2024, 08:10:16 PM
Anybody know how BAT handles the commission on signs?
Same as the cars I would assume. 5% buyer commission, max $5k.
Base listing fee for seller, $99 or $250 for plus package (pics)
Great auction.
Heres my prediction, if that was made by someone, there will be some more soon...
😉
You can bet on that
sign me up for the $199 special
Thank You
Initially, we were involved and going to be the ones to get that sign at any cost. However, further detective work all, but makes certain that that sign is made up. Ironically, the owner is about an hour from me and I contacted him to ask if I could come look at it personally. Radio silence that's a pretty. Good indication of what it is.
Quote from: CharlesTurner on February 07, 2024, 01:02:22 AM
Quote from: Special Ed on February 06, 2024, 08:10:16 PM
Anybody know how BAT handles the commission on signs?
Same as the cars I would assume. 5% buyer commission, max $5k.
Base listing fee for seller, $99 or $250 for plus package (pics)
Bat recently adjusted the (buyers') fee, was 5% capped at $100,000.00 now capped at $150,000.00...
"...How Our Fees Work
Sellers pay a $99 listing fee, with the option to add our Plus photo service for an additional $330. There are no other seller fees on BaT.
Buyers pay a 5% fee on top of the final sale price to BaT, with a minimum of $250, and
capped at $7,500.
Contact us for pricing of our White Glove Service...."
I did notice a sign shop in the small town he lives that makes plastic signs, probably just a coincidence. 😉
Wonder why the sign was already crated up and you wanted to inspect it closely to see how it was assembled. Why even worry about crating sign till auction was over as the new buyer could pick up sign just like picking up car at sellers house after auction and save all that time and money making that special size crate. And if it wasnt crated u could get better detailed photos for auction. Does anybody know if any interested buyer were allowed to inspect sign at sellers house or know where seller got sign from 20 years ago like the auction says?
Quote from: Special Ed on February 09, 2024, 01:04:41 PM
Does anybody know if any interested buyer were allowed to inspect sign at sellers house or know where seller got sign from 20 years ago like the auction says?
Well, I reached out to him and wanted to go look at it because it's only about an hour away from me and got radio silence.
Quote from: CharlesTurner on February 07, 2024, 01:02:22 AM
Quote from: Special Ed on February 06, 2024, 08:10:16 PM
Anybody know how BAT handles the commission on signs?
Same as the cars I would assume. 5% buyer commission, max $5k.
Base listing fee for seller, $99 or $250 for plus package (pics)
I was informed the other day BaT increased their max to 7500.