Were they moved together on one side? The A/C seems to interfere with the driver's side mounting location?
There's an A/C-specific horn for the LH side that has a 90 degree bent mounting tab and goes through a different hole.
Information like this is all in the chassis manual of the assemblyline manual set. They have saved me many hours over the years plus answer many questions i was investigating. I would think that you would save time and stress by investing in a 67 and also a 68 version given the year of car topics you typically post on. Buying the set of available manuals for a given year was my personal choice.
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 15, 2023, 03:33:18 PM
Were they moved together on one side? The A/C seems to interfere with the driver's side mounting location?
I seem to remember my factory ac car "the other one " had one horn mounted over the bracket for condenser , with tab that fit on top of bracket
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 15, 2023, 04:35:30 PM
Information like this is all in the chassis manual of the assemblyline manual set. They have saved me many hours over the years plus answer many questions i was investigating. I would think that you would save time and stress by investing in a 67 and also a 68 version given the year of car topics you typically post on. Buying the set of available manuals for a given year was my personal choice.
True but then that information would never be covered here at all? It isn't just about me. It's about others seeking that information as well from the wiser and the much better informed. :)
Drivers side A/C horn has a different bracket than non A/C and mounts in the same hole as the upper condenser bracket as stated above. Non A/C horn won't work. Do a search for images of A/C car and you will see. Openings for both horns face directly downward. I believe that a non A/C horn mounted in regular hole will interfere with the lines coming through radiator support.
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Quote from: shelbydoug on December 15, 2023, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 15, 2023, 04:35:30 PM
Information like this is all in the chassis manual of the assemblyline manual set. They have saved me many hours over the years plus answer many questions i was investigating. I would think that you would save time and stress by investing in a 67 and also a 68 version given the year of car topics you typically post on. Buying the set of available manuals for a given year was my personal choice.
True but then that information would never be covered here at all? It isn't just about me. It's about others seeking that information as well from the wiser and the much better informed. :)
+1
Here are the horns from my car.
Drivers side horn, large tab (LO) .. passenger side horn.... small tab....(HI)
Pat
Great details everyone. Just what I needed to know. ;)
I'm a bit late to the party, but here are a few shots of the horn brackets on an AC car. The car, #3661, was three times a gold crown winner and thus believed to be quite accurate. ( I wish I could claim it occurred on my watch, but it didn't. I'm just the recipient of someone else's great work.) steve
Thanks Steve. That's what I thought that I remembered but wasn't sure because I didn't document it.
Ironic. One thing leads to another. Now I see that my staples are in the crease. Not in your location.
I'm not gonna' ask about that. That will really piss off Gaines and it could be the last straw and they might need to take him away in a straight jacket? You never know who's right on the edge? ::)
...oh no! I just noticed that my gasket is about 1-1/2" shorter then yours. That's it. I ain't sayin' nuthin' no more.
What a great morning! Sitting here, drinking my coffee and smiling at your post. Thanks! Steve.,
Ah Geeze! My Greyhound just drank my coffee. Right out of the cup no less! Yikes! She didn't spill a drop either, which really makes me look bad...badder! ::)
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 19, 2023, 11:27:56 AM
Thanks Steve. That's what I thought that I remembered but wasn't sure because I didn't document it.
Ironic. One thing leads to another. Now I see that my staples are in the crease. Not in your location.
I'm not gonna' ask about that. That will really piss off Gaines and it could be the last straw and they might need to take him away in a straight jacket? You never know who's right on the edge? ::)
...oh no! I just noticed that my gasket is about 1-1/2" shorter then yours. That's it. I ain't sayin' nuthin' no more.
Just a note to all. The hood seal in the photos has been replaced, as it is a repo. Not saying anything is wrong just saying it's not original.
SO FAR I haven't seen anyone now offering new seals that can be cut to length. They are all pre-cut to a specific length.
I can't remember having any experiences with Ford Service parts on this one but I would presume that was the same situation.
As far as service parts go, Ford is infamous for the service part varying in appearance to original assembly line parts. Again, I don't know if that is the situation here, just remarking about my observations of service parts v. assembly line parts over the years, particularly in that era.
Is there a standardization of how the staples are applied?
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 20, 2023, 08:31:50 AM
SO FAR I haven't seen anyone now offering new seals that can be cut to length. They are all pre-cut to a specific length.
I can't remember having any experiences with Ford Service parts on this one but I would presume that was the same situation.
As far as service parts go, Ford is infamous for the service part varying in appearance to original assembly line parts. Again, I don't know if that is the situation here, just remarking about my observations of service parts v. assembly line parts over the years, particularly in that era.
Is there a standardization of how the staples are applied?
+1 on service parts typically varying from assemblyline. At least in that the parts evolved over time to vary from original assemblyline. In this typical case the old service parts looked like assemblyline compared to newer or the last available service parts. Placement of staples varied but typically within a range of possible placement . Of course there were also less typical attachment possibilities besides staples. Certain type screws or clips were sometimes seen. Those different alternate fasteners use depended on plant and window in time. The alternatives happened most likely when the super heavy duty staple tool capable of going through radiator support sheet metal breaking down or going offline for what ever reason.
The use of a seal on particular cars seems to have been a problem for line workers too. Many cars that were supposed to have seals were skipped. Meanwhile other cars that were supposed to NOT get seals got them. Staples can vary from 5 - 8, with spacing all over the map. Apparently the guy with the staple gun decided.
Bottom line if the car was supposed to get a seal and the original core support is present I copy the placement of staples. So far I have not encountered alternative attachment methods but I have seen them.