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Title: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:02:25 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:03:13 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:04:03 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:04:58 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:06:03 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:06:45 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:07:29 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:08:21 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:09:16 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:10:01 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:11:06 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:12:00 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:12:33 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:13:05 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:13:47 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:14:18 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:14:53 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:15:26 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:15:59 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:16:26 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:16:59 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:17:27 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:18:11 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:18:39 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 29, 2023, 09:19:09 PM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: JD on November 29, 2023, 11:06:27 PM
Impressive car!

Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: tesgt350 on November 30, 2023, 07:22:15 AM
I notice that there are no Rear Quarter Marker Lights....... Why?  That would be a lot of work to remove them and weld up the holes.
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: shelbydoug on November 30, 2023, 07:42:09 AM
I would guess that those rear quarter panels only look like stock production fenders.

They are probably fabricated to make sure that the rear tires fit within the fenders with room to spare?

Look at the size of the rear tires. Those are hardly a tire that will fit within the rear fenders of a stock production '69 Boss regardless of what they did with the rear axle housings. You would need to relocate the rear springs to do that and the bottom pictures do not indicate that.

I can personally add that I have 295-50-15's on the rear of my '68 GT350 on 10 spokes that fit but there is a bit of a story on that so I suppose it is possible those are stock fenders on that T/A car but I doubt it?



By the same token, the front fenders are not likely to be stock fenders either but I have about the same tire fender coverage in the front on 235-60-15's?


Redoing factory sheet metal like fenders, is common place for NASCAR and is one of the reasons that NASCAR uses body patterns on cars going through TECH Inspection. The sheetmetal usually is all hand made counterfeits to look stock with "just a few little tweaks" here and there. In other words the teams cheated like crazy on those items.

Just my "educated guess". I can't prove this one way or the other but someone who actually worked on these cars "Restoring" them would have a much better perspective on that, like Phil.  ;)


Actually there is an undercarriage front shot that does show the adjustable ball joint kit installed and hanging out for you to see.
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: propayne on November 30, 2023, 08:19:18 AM
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Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: tesgt350 on November 30, 2023, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 30, 2023, 07:42:09 AM
I would guess that those rear quarter panels only look like stock production fenders.

They are probably fabricated to make sure that the rear tires fit within the fenders with room to spare?

Look at the size of the rear tires. Those are hardly a tire that will fit within the rear fenders of a stock production '69 Boss regardless of what they did with the rear axle housings. You would need to relocate the rear springs to do that and the bottom pictures do not indicate that.

By the same token, the front fenders are not likely to be stock fenders.


Redoing factory sheet metal like fenders, is common place for NASCAR and is one of the reasons that NASCAR uses body patterns on cars going through TECH Inspection. The sheetmetal usually is all hand made counterfeits to look stock with "just a few little tweaks" here and there. In other words the teams cheated like crazy on those items.

Just my "educated guess". I can't prove this one way or the other but someone who actually worked on these cars "Restoring" them would have a much better perspective on that, like Phil.  ;)

I'm sure you know this............ 1969 BOSS 302 Rear Quarters are different than the regular Mustang & Mach 1 Quarters as they have no Side Scoops.  Also 1969 BOSS 302 (maybe 1970 too) Front Fenders are different from regular Product Mustangs as the Wheel Opening Lips is Narrower for the Larger Tires, I the the same can be said for the Rears as well.   I am just curious why they removed the Rear Quarter Marker Light on this Car because Regular BOSS 302's have a Rear Quarter Panel Marker Light by the Rear Bumper.
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: shelbydoug on November 30, 2023, 10:32:16 AM
Agreed but on a pure race prepared car I would NEVER presume everything is "stock".

SOME teams were much more creative then others.
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 30, 2023, 05:26:25 PM
Is it real or is it Memorex? http://www.ponysite.de/transam.htm VIN 148627
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: TA Coupe on November 30, 2023, 05:47:09 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 30, 2023, 07:42:09 AM
I would guess that those rear quarter panels only look like stock production fenders.

They are probably fabricated to make sure that the rear tires fit within the fenders with room to spare?

Look at the size of the rear tires. Those are hardly a tire that will fit within the rear fenders of a stock production '69 Boss regardless of what they did with the rear axle housings. You would need to relocate the rear springs to do that and the bottom pictures do not indicate that.

I can personally add that I have 295-50-15's on the rear of my '68 GT350 on 10 spokes that fit but there is a bit of a story on that so I suppose it is possible those are stock fenders on that T/A car but I doubt it?



By the same token, the front fenders are not likely to be stock fenders either but I have about the same tire fender coverage in the front.]

The bottom of the car is almost exactly the same as mine except I don't have the oil coolers. The rear fenders were stretched and flared and the insides were clearanced to the frame rail and narrow leaf springs were utilized. My Fronts were just flared for clearance. I have some pictures of the work done here  https://imgur.com/gallery/Ys6CstA.  There are also a couple of pics of George Follmers 70 and 71 TA Mustangs in the garage at the same time.

        Roy

Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: shelbydoug on November 30, 2023, 06:56:31 PM
What intake manifold is that? Is that the Shelby lettered 2x4 Holley?
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: 1109RWHP on November 30, 2023, 08:30:06 PM
Quote from: tesgt350 on November 30, 2023, 07:22:15 AM
I notice that there are no Rear Quarter Marker Lights....... Why?  That would be a lot of work to remove them and weld up the holes.
You missed the front marker lamps and the door lock cylinder holes. The quarters were factory stampings but the front fenders and doors were stamped of thinner metal.
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: 1109RWHP on November 30, 2023, 08:35:06 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 30, 2023, 07:42:09 AM
I would guess that those rear quarter panels only look like stock production fenders.

They are probably fabricated to make sure that the rear tires fit within the fenders with room to spare?

Look at the size of the rear tires. Those are hardly a tire that will fit within the rear fenders of a stock production '69 Boss regardless of what they did with the rear axle housings. You would need to relocate the rear springs to do that and the bottom pictures do not indicate that.

I can personally add that I have 295-50-15's on the rear of my '68 GT350 on 10 spokes that fit but there is a bit of a story on that so I suppose it is possible those are stock fenders on that T/A car but I doubt it?



By the same token, the front fenders are not likely to be stock fenders either but I have about the same tire fender coverage in the front on 235-60-15's?


Redoing factory sheet metal like fenders, is common place for NASCAR and is one of the reasons that NASCAR uses body patterns on cars going through TECH Inspection. The sheetmetal usually is all hand made counterfeits to look stock with "just a few little tweaks" here and there. In other words the teams cheated like crazy on those items.

Just my "educated guess". I can't prove this one way or the other but someone who actually worked on these cars "Restoring" them would have a much better perspective on that, like Phil.  ;)


Actually there is an undercarriage front shot that does show the adjustable ball joint kit installed and hanging out for you to see.

The front fenders and quarters are flared. The rear springs are only 1 3/4" wide to make room for the tires.
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 30, 2023, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 30, 2023, 05:26:25 PM
Is it real or is it Memorex? http://www.ponysite.de/transam.htm VIN 148627


I can confirm that 628 is likely  repaired from 629 ... the car was spliced  down center to rear torque box . including the roll cage :o the cage and all is cut from another car .
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: gt350shelb on November 30, 2023, 10:13:03 PM
somewhere i have photo of 073  being loaded with a forklift  as a bare shell
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: TA Coupe on December 01, 2023, 05:11:20 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 30, 2023, 06:56:31 PM
What intake manifold is that? Is that the Shelby lettered 2x4 Holley?

67 TA 2X4 INTAKE with no letters or numbers. 465 cfm carbs built by the Carb Shop in Ontario California. They have you fill out a questionnaire about your car and engine and build your carb with that information. I got the carbs back and they were right on the money.

        Roy
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: shelbydoug on December 01, 2023, 08:12:14 AM
Quote from: TA Coupe on December 01, 2023, 05:11:20 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 30, 2023, 06:56:31 PM
What intake manifold is that? Is that the Shelby lettered 2x4 Holley?

67 TA 2X4 INTAKE with no letters or numbers. 465 cfm carbs built by the Carb Shop in Ontario California. They have you fill out a questionnaire about your car and engine and build your carb with that information. I got the carbs back and they were right on the money.

        Roy

The pictures of your engine showed B2 heads, did they not? At least those Shelby valve covers were for Cleveland heads weren't they?
Title: Re: Boss 302 t/a 073
Post by: TA Coupe on December 01, 2023, 05:08:02 PM
Go back and read what I wrote about the engine. Here is a picture of the head that is on it.

       Roy