Lori and I drove CSX2367 to The Detroit Historical Society's warehouse Tuesday morning (30 miles, 32 degrees!) to provide our Cobra as comparison to the two prototypes stored there. Tom Cotter was filming two episodes of Barn Find Hunter - one on the 200 donated cars stored there at old Fort Wayne and the other episode on the Cobra Cougar and the Bordinat Cobra, both built on Cobra tube chassis. These two cars have been seen at a few shows over the years, neither currently runs, and they are in ok condition. I'll post when this episode is available to watch, should be a fun show. The cars are all stored in car cacoon bubbles, and are a wide variety from Brass, to Scarabs, to multiple prototype/show cars. Dave
More photos at Old Fort Wayne
They made an appearance at SAAC-29 in Michigan.
Here is the press release photo for the Cougar II, front and back.
Wonder what the future holds for it? Will it ever run and drive again?
- Phillip
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/134-251118161330.jpeg)
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I think it was Jeff Burgy who first tracked these down about 20 years ago. Long before "barn find" became a term.
Jeff Burgy
Jeff Burgy was also the person to work on one of the Cobras to first get the hood open..... cable was broken. and replace some of the missing pasts such as the intake... Perhaps he will chime in and tell the back story on the cars and we can give him credit where credit is due... Jeff is a super guy with a true love of the Marque....
Beautiful pictures
thanks for sharing with us
Quote from: shelby1817 on November 20, 2023, 09:27:48 AM
Jeff Burgy was also the person to work on one of the Cobras to first get the hood open..... cable was broken. and replace some of the missing pasts such as the intake... Perhaps he will chime in and tell the back story on the cars and we can give him credit where credit is due... Jeff is a super guy with a true love of the Marque....
+1
Jeff is long time Shelby guy and SAAC is lucky to have his efforts and support for many years!!
Quote from: shelby1817 on November 20, 2023, 09:27:48 AM
Jeff Burgy was also the person to work on one of the Cobras to first get the hood open........ Jeff is a super guy with a true love of the Marque....
Jeff and Ken Young are 2 guys who haven't missed a convention. Around SAAC 30-35 Kopec said he had enough an cut an attendance trophy in half. Ken & Jeff each got half and Rick told them when one of them missed a convention he'd have to give his half to the other one.
There is probably an article on the cars in the magazine already.
Unfortunately, Ken Young missed his first convention at SAAC 48, I was hoping to see him there.
Thought I'd add these scans of two magazine covers from my collection.
- Phillip
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Also, a big thank you to Mike Scott, aka Honker, for sending me that terrific issue of Track & Traffic from Canada!
- Phillip
Propayne (Phillip), Do either of those magazines have pictures of the engine compartments?
Jim Maxwell
No, unfortunately no engine shots :(
- Phillip
From what I recall, one had an empty short block and transmission in it, the other no drivetrain. I want to say the coupe had the parts, but cannot be sure.
The Cougar II has an early experimental 260 engine, very likely the original engine that came in CSX 2008 upon which the Cougar II is built.
I examined the Cougar II and it doesn't appear that it ever ran after being converted from CSX 2008. This is based on the fact that the exhaust system was never connected to the tail pipes and there are no mufflers. See the attached photo of the tail pipes. There are 363 miles on the original speedometer/odometer so someone did a little cruising before it was converted to the Cougar II.
The Bordinat Cobra is built on the chassis of CSX 3001. It has a 6 bolt 289 engine with a very unusual exhaust system layout. The exhaust exits the engine toward the front of the car and then the exhaust pipes course down INTO the frame rails! See the attached photo.
They exit the frame rails toward the rear of the car and are connected to the tail pipes. This car did run because there is exhaust soot on the rear valence adjacent to the exhaust tips.
Rotated pictures.
Roy
Thanks. I didn't realize they posted that way!
I had an IMC model back in the day. Testors did a reissue (as they did for all the IMC GT-40s)
The video of this episode of Tom Cotter's program has posted on YouTube. Just look for "Barn Find Hunter". The 42 minute video covers many interesting cars stored there, plus maybe 10 minutes on the two prototype Cobra's and uses CSX2367 as contrast. Jim Maxwell provides some good perspective on the cars. The prototype Cobra section is at about 30 minutes in, but the whole program is fascinating. Tom and his crew do a great job. I had difficulty posting a link, so just search on however you get YouTube. Dave
Quote from: Dwathencars on March 07, 2024, 08:36:20 AM
The video of this episode of Tom Cotter's program has posted on YouTube. Just look for "Barn Find Hunter". The 42 minute video covers many interesting cars stored there, plus maybe 10 minutes on the two prototype Cobra's and uses CSX2367 as contrast. Jim Maxwell provides some good perspective on the cars. The prototype Cobra section is at about 30 minutes in, but the whole program is fascinating. Tom and his crew do a great job. I had difficulty posting a link, so just search on however you get YouTube. Dave
Link to the video:
https://youtu.be/y0ygn8QKbGA?si=C3tcINgt9AM0Iss6 (https://youtu.be/y0ygn8QKbGA?si=C3tcINgt9AM0Iss6)
Quote from: silverton_ford on March 07, 2024, 09:58:06 AM
Quote from: Dwathencars on March 07, 2024, 08:36:20 AM
The video of this episode of Tom Cotter's program has posted on YouTube. Just look for "Barn Find Hunter". The 42 minute video covers many interesting cars stored there, plus maybe 10 minutes on the two prototype Cobra's and uses CSX2367 as contrast. Jim Maxwell provides some good perspective on the cars. The prototype Cobra section is at about 30 minutes in, but the whole program is fascinating. Tom and his crew do a great job. I had difficulty posting a link, so just search on however you get YouTube. Dave
Link to the video:
https://youtu.be/y0ygn8QKbGA?si=C3tcINgt9AM0Iss6 (https://youtu.be/y0ygn8QKbGA?si=C3tcINgt9AM0Iss6)
Brian if you look at the Mustang II at 42:36 into the video he mentions my friend Mark Haas who has a "similar" car that the full history hasn't been determined yet. Also you see the gas cap? Mark gave me some pieces and I made that gas cap for the Mustang II. The original one had been missing for decades. Mark got some parts that were just like his gas cap and they looked like the gas cap in period pics of the II so I did some fabrication. Dave-the curator- and I at MCACN. I was on a time crunch to get the cap done for the show.
Just watched the video, which is terrific BTW.
Was surprised to learn that Dean Jeffries painted the Cougar II. Don't believe I have ever heard that tidbit.
To me, another example of how interwoven the fabric is of the production cars that we love, and the hot rod and custom car community that was so vibrant at the time (think TV/Movie cars and model kits) being tapped behind the scenes by the manufacturers.
- Phillip
Quote from: propayne on March 09, 2024, 04:11:18 PM
Was surprised to learn that Dean Jeffries painted the Cougar II.
I would not be surprised to even hear he painted the Mustang I for Troutman & Barnes. He did the first Cobra for CS - several times. Lots of shops called him in when they needed show quality paint. He went with Phil Remington to Dearborn to fix the J car aerodynamics and turn it into the MKIV. He was fast and built quality stuff for the movies. The big cross town rivalry was between him and Barris. Dean Jeffries wins IMHO. When Jim Russell bought the first Daytona Coupe from SA with fresh stock 271 hp HiPo and Webers he had a Tony Nancy interior installed and show quality paint and bodywork done - I've always suspected that Jeffries did the body & paint. This is the "unrestored - as raced" car that is in the Simone museum.
A little on the feud - Jefferies built the Monkee Mobile. The studio offered it to him but he figured if he wanted one he could build another cheaper than what they wanted. Barris bought it and then tried claiming it as his creation since it was now part of his show stable.
Haven't seen where this has been posted before - some vintage footage of the Cougar II (starting at 8:19) and the Mustang II (starting at 14:04).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB6PcsD0CMw
- Phillip