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Title: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: shelbymann1970 on November 14, 2023, 11:17:23 AM
Anyone know whose car this is?
https://www.mecum.com/lots/1102569/1970-shelby-gt500-convertible/
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: FL SAAC on November 14, 2023, 11:52:31 AM
sure is purty though !
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: martyjac on November 14, 2023, 12:51:37 PM
Harold Hartman original owner. NJ car.
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: shelbymann1970 on November 14, 2023, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: martyjac on November 14, 2023, 12:51:37 PM
Harold Hartman original owner. NJ car.
A one owner car for sale? He still owns it?
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: martyjac on November 14, 2023, 01:57:54 PM
Yes, a one owner car who purchased it new from Gotham Ford.
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: Coralsnake on November 14, 2023, 02:54:27 PM
Thats going to be a winner
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 15, 2023, 01:35:17 AM
I will be at the auction and look forward to looking the car over.
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: SCJSTU on November 15, 2023, 09:38:41 AM
anyone know how many 69-70 GT500 SCJ 4 speed convertibles made?
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: Coralsnake on November 15, 2023, 11:00:15 AM
Yes 😉
Title: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: Bill Collins on November 15, 2023, 11:11:59 AM
Topic heading has wrong VIN - the car is #2704 not 3704 and is an automatic.

I looked at it in March of 2019. Car was redone years ago, paint and finishes are production body shop quality with minimal detail. Original door warranty label is missing.

Underneath has been reworked, has incorrect '65-'68 style repro floor pans. Bottom is heavily undercoated. Taillight panel is reproduction.

Had been stored for years and presented a generally shabby appearance when I saw it. Did not hear it run.

Here are the photos Mecum won't show you.
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: Bill Collins on November 15, 2023, 11:14:29 AM
More #2704 underneath pics
Title: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: Bill Collins on November 15, 2023, 11:17:03 AM
More 2704 pics
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: shelbymann1970 on November 15, 2023, 11:18:56 AM
Quote from: Bill Collins on November 15, 2023, 11:11:59 AM
Topic heading has wrong VIN - the car is #2704 not 3704 and is an automatic.

FAT fingered it Bill. Thanks for catching it. Changed now in heading.
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: shelbymann1970 on November 15, 2023, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: Bill Collins on November 15, 2023, 11:17:03 AM
More 2704 pics
Since we are critiquing it now it also has the cheap repo belt line quarters on it with a screw holding the valance on because no indentation for the stud bracket to mount the lower part to the quarter.
Title: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: Bill Collins on November 15, 2023, 11:26:45 AM
More 2704 pics
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: shelbymann1970 on November 15, 2023, 12:07:07 PM
Quote from: Bill Collins on November 15, 2023, 11:11:59 AM
Topic heading has wrong VIN - the car is #2704 not 3704 and is an automatic.

I looked at it in March of 2019. Car was redone years ago, paint and finishes are production body shop quality with minimal detail. Original door warranty label is missing.

Underneath has been reworked, has incorrect '65-'68 style repro floor pans. Bottom is heavily undercoated. Taillight panel is reproduction.

Had been stored for years and presented a generally shabby appearance when I saw it. Did not hear it run.

Here are the photos Mecum won't show you.
Same thing done to the Grabber Green 1970 MIS pace car. I tried talking my friend into doing it the right way but he chose the same route as this car. You can still see it that way from the early 90s as it sold on BaT recently. Back then those with cars like this many didn't think to spend a lot more money to do it right as they didn't cost what they do today done. Other than blacking out the drop down these are the same quarters and it has pieced in floor pans I believe on the pace car because full floor pans didn't exist back then.
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: FL SAAC on November 15, 2023, 12:26:47 PM
dealing with an old car here that need a bit of t.l.c.

best wishes to the seller !
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: SCJSTU on November 15, 2023, 01:42:33 PM
well that dampened my excitement quickly
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Post by: Coralsnake on November 15, 2023, 01:45:58 PM
Me too, bit it will still be fun to watch
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Post by: capecodmustang.com on November 15, 2023, 02:14:30 PM
Quote from: SCJSTU on November 15, 2023, 09:38:41 AM
anyone know how many 69-70 GT500 SCJ 4 speed convertibles made?

I've had 5-6 SCJ Convertibles...

They made a total of about 45 cars...

69s and 70's...
Auto and 4 speeds..

They might have made about 13 1970 SCJ 4 speeds
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R483704
Post by: shelbymann1970 on November 16, 2023, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on November 15, 2023, 02:14:30 PM
Quote from: SCJSTU on November 15, 2023, 09:38:41 AM
anyone know how many 69-70 GT500 SCJ 4 speed convertibles made?

I've had 5-6 SCJ Convertibles...

They made a total of about 45 cars...

60 and 70's...
Auto and 54 speeds..

They might have made about 13 1970 SCJ 4 speeds
I always thought the 428CJ site had good numbers. If they are then 21 69 3.91 gear cars and Ed's 4.30 geared car. 1970 21 3.91 geared cars. Total 43. I'm sure Ed has all the  breakdowns of all the cars. I suspect a few others do, too. 
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: Survivor on November 16, 2023, 11:10:40 AM
Bill-no doubt, your diligence probably saved someone a whole bunch of headaches and, needless to say, pesos.  Love this kind of honest follow up.     
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: shelbymann1970 on November 16, 2023, 12:21:30 PM
FWIW the car will still command big $$$ but I'd say a nice rust free donor 69 vert for correct parts are in order-or a coupe with a top notch person who can but weld.
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: Special Ed on November 16, 2023, 08:56:55 PM
3  70 coral drag pack verts made 2 4-speeds and this auto and yes i have tracked these drag pack verts for last 35 years and know where most of them are and they mostly changed hands privately and wonder why they didnt take this  rare car to  the big mecum florida january auction instead of  small KS auction this late only 2 weeks away?
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Post by: msrraymond on December 01, 2023, 09:14:24 AM
Does anyone knows if it has the orig in motor in the car ?   thanks matt
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 01, 2023, 11:13:24 AM
Looking forward to seeing it in a couple of hours.
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 01, 2023, 03:58:44 PM
A very nice appearance from 10 feet away. Upper quality driver category car.  Compromises in just about every aspect of restoration compared to a concours quality restoration. The car should still bring good money. The person who restored the car did not have a good enough knowledge of 69/70 Shelby's to put this one together. The one picture and the number of incorrect items and procedures in the picture relative to correct ones are representative of the same percentage of non assemblyline things that is found throughout the car . The car looks very striking in appearance "As Is" even with the issues I saw and others discussed already.Of course I have no idea how it runs and drives.
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: shelbymann1970 on December 02, 2023, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 01, 2023, 03:58:44 PM
A very nice appearance from 10 feet away. Upper quality driver category car.  Compromises in just about every aspect of restoration compared to a concours quality restoration. The car should still bring good money. The person who restored the car did not have a good enough knowledge of 69/70 Shelby's to put this one together. The one picture and the number of incorrect items and procedures in the picture relative to correct ones are representative of the same percentage of non assemblyline things that is found throughout the car . The car looks very striking in appearance "As Is" even with the issues I saw and others discussed already.Of course I have no idea how it runs and drives.
A good shot there, Bob, that does show a lot of things wrong in a small "window".
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: Special Ed on December 02, 2023, 09:25:15 PM
That shelby is staying in KC along with some other drag pack shelby verts!!!
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 02, 2023, 09:39:00 PM
The seller and his son came up to me and introduced themselves thinking I was the high bidder . He was hoping that the car went to a enthusiast who would love the car like he did. With my Cobra team jacket on I must have looked the part. I told him I was with the buyer during the auction and he was the very excited about his purchase. I assured him the the new owner is a hard core 69/70 Shelby enthusiast  .
Title: Re: DRag pack 70 GT500 vert 0F03R482704
Post by: SCJSTU on December 02, 2023, 10:13:05 PM
Final price