I've been lucky to find some circa 1968 and 1969 NOS Lucas Lamps. I bought one new in the Ford box and 2 new in the Lucas Boxes. Of course the 68-70 Lamps did not come with covers when bought through Ford. Part number was C8ZZ-15200-D . Notice that this one is assembled like it was going in a 68 Shelby glass rotation and trim ring wise. Notice the correct ENGLAND lens and small black grommet housing.
Here is a pair of Lamps sold over the counter back in 1968 and 1969. Curious as they are a set but the lenses one is mounted like you would find in a 68 Shelby and the other like in a 69-70 Shelby. Because these were not a Ford item I will assume it was arbitrary how they installed the lenses.
The Lucas boxes doubled as a display. Here is how they were supposed to be displayed(of course probably not upside with the cover) . They also came with "extras" to be able to mount on any car(12V). Lamps also came with these covers when in Lucas boxes.
They also came with directions on how to wire.
directions on how to display.
Very nice, I have a bunch of those lights stored
Got to dig them up
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 26, 2023, 06:17:06 AM
Very nice, I have a bunch of those lights stored
Got to dig them up
Correct ones? Black grommet housings and England glass(Not "made in England", blank or "Foreign Glass"). These are the earliest lenses also. There were 2 variants at least I have been told. I also have an NOS lamp with the gray grommet housing with a later "69" lens.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on October 26, 2023, 06:23:52 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 26, 2023, 06:17:06 AM
Correct ones? Black grommet housings and England glass(Not "made in England", blank or "Foreign Glass"). These are the earliest lenses also. There were 2 variants at least I have been told. I also have an NOS lamp with the gray grommet housing with a later "69" lens.
Probably, I have a "bunch" of them. Also have hoods, front fiberglass parts, fenders, front bumpers, set of paradise repro wheels circa 2000s, a few original wheels, some mirrors, console / gauges, grille, grille aluminum piece, hood chrome pieces, fender eye brows rechromed, emblems, roll bar for hard top and panels in black, roof retractor seat belts etc.
When I have time I will go pull them out and sell them. More than likely early next year. No time as we are working on a new project and Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years is just around the corner
Nice finds, Gary!
I've noted 7 lens variations over the years. Best as I can figure out, when the mounting orientation was different for Cougars and then '69 Shelbys, so the TOP casting appeared on those lenses. Wiring grommet change is tough to nail down.
This is what we have a few of
The inside wire and bulb are different depending on small black or big grey wire groments and hole size.
Smith Also installed those lights on XR7-G Cougars ;)
Here is a vintage ad - scanned and cleaned up by me from my stash of vintage magazines and racing programs.
- Phillip
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/134-261023103922.jpeg)
Quote from: 68blk500c on October 26, 2023, 08:53:25 AM
Nice finds, Gary!
I've noted 7 lens variations over the years. Best as I can figure out, when the mounting orientation was different for Cougars and then '69 Shelbys, so the TOP casting appeared on those lenses. Wiring grommet change is tough to nail down.
Every original 69 I've seen has had the black rubber grommet that the wire was fed through. I own quite a few of the lens variants. I have not posted my E11 lens yet. I have one NOS in a molded gray grommet lamp and also have a used E11 in a black rubber grommet separate wire housing like the ones posted here. I see a black molded grommet and also a gray molded grommet on later housings.
Does anyone make the small black grommet? I like to refer it it as an O-ring even though it isn't one but looks like one installed if that makes sense.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on October 26, 2023, 11:36:16 AM
Does anyone make the small black grommet? I like to refer it it as an O-ring even though it isn't one but looks like one installed if that makes sense.
I have found comparable substitutes in the yellow serv a lite boxes at the hardware store . I don't think it is anything very special.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on October 26, 2023, 12:59:37 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on October 26, 2023, 11:36:16 AM
Does anyone make the small black grommet? I like to refer it it as an O-ring even though it isn't one but looks like one installed if that makes sense.
I have found comparable substitutes in the yellow serv a lite boxes at the hardware store . I don't think it is anything very special.
Thanks Bob.
Mr Gaines is correct, nothing special about the grommet. Unfortunately the hole size in the housing differs for the two types of wiring leads. You can not just put in a black grommet on the grey housings.
so is this the correct cover Gary posted?
And does it snap on or have straps?
Covers were not used on the Shelbys.
^^^ as Pete said - but FWIW the covers used rubber straps.
Very, very difficult to get the straps around the lights when installed in the G front valance.
- Phillip
Quote from: SCJSTU on October 26, 2023, 01:45:30 PM
so is this the correct cover Gary posted?
And does it snap on or have straps?
Yes correct 68-70 period cover with rubber straps if you bought Lucas light from anyplace except Ford.
Quote from: Coralsnake on October 26, 2023, 02:24:07 PM
Covers were not used on the Shelbys.
+1 That is why my NOS Ford one I posted a pic of came with no cover. The correct Lucas ones in the Lucas boxes came with covers. Like Pete said there are more than 1 housing. The correct housing I have found is the small hole housing using the small black grommet that looks like an O-ring. I have a few lens variances lined up in the pic below.
Looking at my NOS pieces I think this is the first style with the "A" on the left.
Then this style was after. Next to the A is SAEF68 vertically.
This is what I think is a later 68-69 style. Has E11 on the right side.
I also have with a "M5" on the lower right corner(all referenced by looking at them).I have no clue as to the "M5". I have the M5 on both E11s and non E11s. I also have E11s and non E11s without the M5.
I'm not sure what this was used on (Calif specials?) but it is a circa 68 also but the clear ENGLAND lens. I bought this one for the early housing.
Quote from: SCJSTU on October 26, 2023, 01:45:30 PM
so is this the correct cover Gary posted?
And does it snap on or have straps?
All Lucas covers from the 60s and into the 70s used straps. That cover was circa 68-9 for non Shelby Lucas lamps. Then they went to a later style. One of my NOS E11 ENGLAND glass has the later style cover on it and a large gray grommet on the housing. While not original I recommend the full black early style covers for protection while driving. first pic early cover. Also notice the early style has "ENGLAND" molded into it. I found that pic with a NOS set of lamps for sale but the lamps had the larger grommet housings and "Foreign Glass" in them.
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 26, 2023, 08:24:36 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on October 26, 2023, 06:23:52 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 26, 2023, 06:17:06 AM
Correct ones? Black grommet housings and England glass(Not "made in England", blank or "Foreign Glass"). These are the earliest lenses also. There were 2 variants at least I have been told. I also have an NOS lamp with the gray grommet housing with a later "69" lens.
Probably, I have a "bunch" of them. Also have hoods, front fiberglass parts, fenders, front bumpers, set of paradise repro wheels circa 2000s, a few original wheels, some mirrors, console / gauges, grille, grille aluminum piece, hood chrome pieces, fender eye brows rechromed, emblems, roll bar for hard top and panels in black, roof retractor seat belts etc.
When I have time I will go pull them out and sell them. More than likely early next year. No time as we are working on a new project and Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years is just around the corner
Looked in to our storage yesterday viewed two boxes that each have 69 428 carburetors and a few engine braces.....the saga continues
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on October 27, 2023, 07:31:41 AM
I'm not sure what this was used on (Calif specials?) but it is a circa 68 also but the clear ENGLAND lens. I bought this one for the early housing.
I believe that is what is often referred to as the "Spot Lense" or "Long Range" version.
See the lower right hand corner of the vintage ad that I posted earlier.
- Phillip
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/134-271023091559.jpeg)
...and not used on California Specials. They used same lights as Shelbys/Cougars
Here is a marked up photo of the front and back of a take off lens that I think was original to an XR7-G I had.
- Phillip
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/134-271023123042.jpeg)
Thanks Phillip. I got a pair of lenses that are cracked in 2 off of my old 70 #3052. They are in the attic. I need to pull them out to verify what went on in June of 1969.
The e11 lens was a later replacement as well as the black cover with the lion on it . England. lens was first the foreign glass then e11 from what i seen . I have an nos foreign glass lens in a june 69 dated box but did any foreign glass lens end up on very late 69-70 shelbys? Phillips lucas add looks like a foreign glass lens so when did that add come out?
^^^ I will dig up the publication it came out of and report back.
- Phillip
Quote from: Special Ed on October 27, 2023, 04:02:42 PM
The e11 lens was a later replacement as well as the black cover with the lion on it . England. lens was first the foreign glass then e11 from what i seen . I have an nos foreign glass lens in a june 69 dated box but did any foreign glass lens end up on very late 69-70 shelbys? Phillips lucas add looks like a foreign glass lens so when did that add come out?
Didn't "Made in England " come after the "England " and before the "Foreign Glass " marked lenses ?
Quote from: Special Ed on October 27, 2023, 04:02:42 PM
The e11 lens was a later replacement as well as the black cover with the lion on it . England. lens was first the foreign glass then e11 from what i seen . I have an nos foreign glass lens in a june 69 dated box but did any foreign glass lens end up on very late 69-70 shelbys? Phillips lucas add looks like a foreign glass lens so when did that add come out?
MY E11 glass has ENGLAND and not Foreign glass on it. Here is one of them. All lenses in my pics are ENGLAND scripted lenses.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on October 27, 2023, 07:52:19 PM
Quote from: Special Ed on October 27, 2023, 04:02:42 PM
The e11 lens was a later replacement as well as the black cover with the lion on it . England. lens was first the foreign glass then e11 from what i seen . I have an nos foreign glass lens in a june 69 dated box but did any foreign glass lens end up on very late 69-70 shelbys? Phillips lucas add looks like a foreign glass lens so when did that add come out?
Didn't "Made in England " come after the "England " and before the "Foreign Glass " marked lenses ?
I always thought the same thing. That progression. But could they have been made in France then brought back to England for production? I don't know. I was always under the impression that the ENGLAND lenses were correct for 68-70 Shelbys so the other styles of "Foreign glass", "Made in England" and blank lenses I have had no interest in so never researched.
Quote from: Special Ed on October 27, 2023, 04:02:42 PM
The e11 lens was a later replacement as well as the black cover with the lion on it . England. lens was first the foreign glass then e11 from what i seen . I have an nos foreign glass lens in a june 69 dated box but did any foreign glass lens end up on very late 69-70 shelbys? Phillips lucas add looks like a foreign glass lens so when did that add come out?
I'm mad I didn't take a pic of the lenses on that 500 mile Comp red GT500 DP car at MCACN. But the lenses off my June built GT500 DP car were definitely ENGLAND lenses. I went looking for them in my attic and they have eluded me. Both are off the back housings and broken in 2. I hope I didn't toss them.
That vintage Lucas Square 8 advertisement that I posted earlier in this thread is from the August 1970 issue of Car Life magazine.
- Phillip
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/134-291023090703.jpeg)