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The Cars => 1968 Shelby GT350/500/500KR => Topic started by: Steve Meltzer on October 12, 2023, 08:52:16 PM

Title: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Steve Meltzer on October 12, 2023, 08:52:16 PM
Gonna need a new ?rebuilt starter...dunno nothing about if the one i have is original, etc. Thanx, steve meltzer, obvious newbie
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: rhjanes on October 12, 2023, 08:56:44 PM
Check this for component ID first.
https://www.428cobrajet.org/id-starter

You used to be able to purchase a kit for rebuilding starters.  Not sure you still can.  they are fairly easy to rebuild.



Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Steve Meltzer on October 12, 2023, 09:06:49 PM
Thanx for the info! In the weeds now! When you turn the key, it is silent, DEAD! Am I right in thinking it could be the solenoid, not the starter, or, isn't there a starter relay? thanx so much. s

"When you are up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember that you originally came to drain the swamp"
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: jk66gt350 on October 12, 2023, 11:09:32 PM
Power goes through the starter solenoid then to the starter.  If the starter is done, you should still hear a click at the solenoid when you turn the key.  Bad solenoid?  Bad key switch? 
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Steve Meltzer on October 13, 2023, 12:05:11 AM
lt's bedtime for this old fart, but hope to check the voltage at the relay and solenoid tomorrow. Should help to narrow this a bit, then, back to the errant Holley. s
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Lincoln tech on October 13, 2023, 09:01:03 AM
Steve , Steve , Steve lets start here , Is the battery fully charged ? Simple self powered test light may help you a lot to diag this problem , starter solenoid can be jumped to test it at the same time it will tell you whether the starter is working , just be very careful when you attempt this vehicle must out of gear and ignition switch in the off position , is your car auto or 4spd ? There may be a lot other things that will cause a no crank condition start with the basics .
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Coralsnake on October 13, 2023, 09:24:28 AM
And then you have got the tilt mechanism which could be hindering your ability to start.
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Lincoln tech on October 13, 2023, 09:32:21 AM
Good video on test lights ( Just make sure to get one with the old fashioned light bulb which will load test your circuit  ) A must have in everyone's tool box .            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmCGgDtCAYA&t=367s                                                                     
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Lincoln tech on October 13, 2023, 09:34:29 AM
Quote from: Coralsnake on October 13, 2023, 09:24:28 AM
And then you have got the tilt mechanism which could be hindering your ability to start.
Yes , I just didn't want to go there yet  ;)
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Coralsnake on October 13, 2023, 09:58:08 AM
Make sure the door is closed and the steering wheel is straight in-the driving position before starting the car
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Lincoln tech on October 13, 2023, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: Coralsnake on October 13, 2023, 09:58:08 AM
Make sure the door is closed and the steering wheel is straight in-the driving position before starting the car
100%
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Lincoln tech on October 13, 2023, 11:14:10 AM
I have seen guys pull the dash out of the car to try to find an electrical problem , but the only thing that was wrong was a blown fuse , start with the basics .
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Steve Meltzer on October 13, 2023, 02:16:46 PM
ARRRGGHHHGH! Rookie mistake (again)...the door was open and the steering wheel cattawampus. Fired right up when those errors were corrected. Now, back to swamp (fuel /Holley leak). thanx again, guys. s
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Lincoln tech on October 13, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
Np , at least you own up to your mistakes some guys just lie after they screw up (I could never understand why ?) So you saved a couple of bucks , If we ever meet your'e buying lunch  :) 
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Steve Meltzer on October 13, 2023, 07:52:32 PM
@Lincoln  Tech you're on as long aa you don't eat kale or Brussels sprouts. s
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Royce Peterson on October 13, 2023, 09:42:33 PM
Kale with a good sprinkling of olive oil will slide right off the plate into the trash can. Helpful hint. No charge.
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Steve Meltzer on October 13, 2023, 10:40:17 PM
Royce, thanx for the good laugh. s
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Lincoln tech on October 14, 2023, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: Steve Meltzer on October 13, 2023, 07:52:32 PM
@Lincoln  Tech you're on as long aa you don't eat kale or Brussels sprouts. s
Never , never , never  :)
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Bigfoot on October 14, 2023, 12:58:47 PM
I know that you already discovered that you don't have a problem with your starter, but were you to, ever have to replace that, most small, independent auto parts places can order you a rebuilt one which uses the original core from the prior customers.
At that point, it's just a question of ,it probably won't be dated correctly.
I've been down that road with a different big block Ford and I just asked my guy to order two or three of them, and he knows I'm just doing that to pick the best date and then he gives back the other two.
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Bob Gaines on October 14, 2023, 01:27:44 PM
Quote from: Bigfoot on October 14, 2023, 12:58:47 PM
I know that you already discovered that you don't have a problem with your starter, but were you to, ever have to replace that, most small, independent auto parts places can order you a rebuilt one which uses the original core from the prior customers.
At that point, it's just a question of ,it probably won't be dated correctly.
I've been down that road with a different big block Ford and I just asked my guy to order two or three of them, and he knows I'm just doing that to pick the best date and then he gives back the other two.
I thought you should know that the odds of you getting a starter marked C8AF-11001-A for a 68-70 BB Mustang /Shelby randomly at a auto parts store are extremely high regardless of date code. ;)     If you are able to get one that way you are lucky and should next go buy a mega millions lottery ticket. I would If I could go to a auto parts store and get a starter marked C8AF-11001-A 20 at a time if I could count on them all being marked way. They typically sell in the 500-700.00 range.  First off most auto part store rebuilders end up mixing all of  the center barrel section from various applications because they disregard any factory identification . Number two the  C8AF-11001-A marked starter was only ever a very small percentage of the big block total as it applies to starter applications.  If you have a BB starter marked C8AF-11001-A that is worn out you should have it rebuilt and specifically ask them to use the original center barrel section.
Title: Re: Leaking Holley Carb, now need KR starter
Post by: Steve Meltzer on October 14, 2023, 04:57:59 PM
I know I'm a greenhorn, but, I'll bet correctly dated starters are made from unobtanium. s