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Title: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: mygt350 on August 26, 2023, 02:27:22 PM
65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation. Can someone post picture of fuel sender wire under the trunk area. Want to see what type insulation was on original sender wire. And if possible, picture of same yellow wire under the mat in trunk.
Thanks!
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: J_Speegle on August 26, 2023, 05:19:07 PM
Wire insulator/outer jacket would not have been visible since it would be covered by the outer insulator jacket. Here are some pictures

At sender

(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-260823171536-19140269.jpeg)


Outer insulator jacket up close

(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-260823171528-191372455.jpeg)


How the wire, as it runs under the mat, was attached to the car depended on when the car was built and possibly also the shift/individual worker. Car could have used tape, the clips attached to the gas tank edge or even have both when the worker choose not to use the clips during that production period

And across the forward part of the trunk

Period with both clip though they used the tape to secure the wire. This example had the clips but the worker choose to tape the wires

(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-260823171535-191391659.jpeg)


Tape and no tape on these two examples

(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-260823171529-191381433.jpeg)

Hope this helps


Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: mygt350 on August 26, 2023, 09:15:32 PM
Thanks very much Jeff. Any way to determine which method (clip/tape/both) would be appropriatew for 5S228? Does the sender wire have a barrel connector close to the hinge area?
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: mygt350 on August 26, 2023, 09:17:56 PM
Interesting looks like the clips face different directions..
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: J_Speegle on August 26, 2023, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: mygt350 on August 26, 2023, 09:15:32 PM
Thanks very much Jeff. Any way to determine which method (clip/tape/both) would be appropriate for 5S228? Does the sender wire have a barrel connector close to the hinge area?

Your Shelby number means little in determining San Jose details. I'll PM you and we'll work something out.
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: mygt350 on August 27, 2023, 11:40:46 AM
sent you a PM with sway bar date code info.
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 27, 2023, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: mygt350 on August 27, 2023, 11:40:46 AM
sent you a PM with sway bar date code info.
Must be a typo given that there is no date codes on the sway bar or related hardware.
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: mygt350 on August 27, 2023, 02:41:46 PM
The sway bar has a large rubber grommit held in place by a clamp that has two nuts and bolts that hold the clamp and bushings in place to the sway bar mounting bracket that is welded to the frame. The date code is stampedf on the top side of the bracket between the two bolt heads holding the clampo inplace. Mine is 4 12 2D...
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: J_Speegle on August 27, 2023, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 27, 2023, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: mygt350 on August 27, 2023, 11:40:46 AM
sent you a PM with sway bar date code info.
Must be a typo given that there is no date codes on the sway bar or related hardware.

Yes We're talking about the sway bar bracket welded to the inside of the frame and to the strut rod support bracket

(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-270823144731-19226161.jpeg)
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: mygt350 on August 27, 2023, 02:50:30 PM
Thats the one. Mine is 4 12 2D. Assuming 12 Apr?
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 27, 2023, 05:17:38 PM
Quote from: J_Speegle on August 27, 2023, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 27, 2023, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: mygt350 on August 27, 2023, 11:40:46 AM
sent you a PM with sway bar date code info.
Must be a typo given that there is no date codes on the sway bar or related hardware.

Yes We're talking about the sway bar bracket welded to the inside of the frame and to the strut rod support bracket

(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-270823144731-19226161.jpeg)
Thank you for the clarification because I couldn't read between the lines.
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: texas swede on August 28, 2023, 08:53:20 AM
My car, having a higher Shelby number, 275 to 228, than yours, still have a lower Ford number.
My brackets are dated 4 23 2D on passenger side and 4 26 2D on driver side.
There used to be a guy here in the Dallas, TX area who rebuilt (recovered) the wire harness,
to the rear lights including the fuel sending unit with the correct material. Believe his name was
Pat White III. He did an excellent job on my car. Sadly, I believe he is gone since many years.
Texas Swede
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: mygt350 on August 28, 2023, 09:38:44 AM
Thanks my friend. Do you remember how the wire and its shielding was secured to the trunk floor? Maybe strip of tape or two or maybe clips mounted to the tank flange screws?
Martin, 5S228
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 28, 2023, 03:22:24 PM
The asphalt wire covering can be purchased online.  It's not very difficult to replace.  The contact wire inside the light socket can be snipped off and the wire pulled out of the assembly.  New covering slid on and a new contact end crimped on.
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: mygt350 on August 29, 2023, 09:03:23 PM
Charles, you memtioned "inside the light socket". I have a sending unit wire cover and am scratching head as to how it is installed without snipping the wire at some location. Where is optimum spot to cut the wire and feed the covering over it and reconnect the press on sender unit fitting?
Sending unit wirecover I  have is from Virginia Classic Mustang (their P/N PE-219) is approx 5 feet long and has a 1/2 inch long double ended butt end connector. Apparently, the covering is installed after cutting the sender wire then using the connector to reattch the two ends. Where would be best place to cut the wire? Has me scratching whats left of hair..
Martin
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 30, 2023, 12:13:03 AM
Martin, the end of the wire that has the terminal contact for the light bulb can be snipped off a new one installed.  Once that end is snipped off, the wire can be pulled out of the housing.  I don't recall exactly where I found the terminal ends.  If you'd like to save the end of the wire and not cut it, with some perseverance, the crimped terminal can be removed... and if you're really good, maybe can re-use it.
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: mygt350 on August 30, 2023, 10:42:15 AM
Charles, what light bulb are you referencing? I am talking about the shielded wire that connects to the fuel tank sender that goes across the top edge of the gas tank in the trunk area into the harness above drivers wheelwell. How is replacement shielding put on that wire without cutting the molded connector at the tank sender off?
Title: Re: 65 GT350 fuel sender wire insulation.
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 30, 2023, 11:26:30 AM
Quote from: mygt350 on August 30, 2023, 10:42:15 AM
Charles, what light bulb are you referencing? I am talking about the shielded wire that connects to the fuel tank sender that goes across the top edge of the gas tank in the trunk area into the harness above drivers wheelwell. How is replacement shielding put on that wire without cutting the molded connector at the tank sender off?

My fault, was referring to the license plate light wire covering, which is the same material.  For the fuel sender wire, the only way I've done this is cutting the wire further up into the tail light wire harness, slide the cover over and splice the wire.  The rubber grommet where the wire goes through the trunk floor can be cut with a new razor blade, there's usually a seam line to cut on.  Note the location and install back, glue the grommet together.