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Title: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: Bill Collins on July 09, 2023, 07:20:32 PM
I recently discovered a remarkable ad that appeared in the Baltimore Sun newspaper on Sunday, February 25, 1965. It is a display ad announcing the arrival and display of the Mustang GT350.

A scan of the ad is attached. What is even more remarkable (to me) is that the car described in the ad is most certainly 006. Although the photo is from the 1965 Shelby press kit and possibly not of my car, the timing of the ad relative to when 006 arrived at the dealership and some key phrases in the ad are rather compelling evidence.

006 was reportedly air freighted to Pennsylvania to appear at the Philadelphia Auto show, which ran January 9-15. It was purchased there by Les Lepedus (sp?) who owned Archway. The MSO from Shelby to Archway is dated February 12th, about two weeks prior to the announcement ad.

The ad title reads "Mustang GT350", which was the official name of the car at the time and listed as its trade name on the MSO, which also recites "285 HP", a rating duplicated in the ad. As we know, the GT350's rating was subsequently increased to 306. The ad text begins by referring to it as the "Meanest Mustang" - a phrase that also appears on a sign placed on the roof of 006 when Archway displayed it at the Baltimore World Of Wheels show, where the first retail owner purchased it on March 5, 1965.

I am fortunate to have a copy of the MSO and some photos, which are attached. I am still looking for photos from the Philly Auto Show. The Philadelphia Inquirer had several days of show coverage, but the GT350 is mentioned in only one small photo article, obviously written from a press release, that does not mention its presence at the show. But maybe someone has a snapshot taken there. If you do, I would like to hear from you!
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: GT350Lad on July 09, 2023, 09:09:30 PM
Thanks for sharing Bill. Very cool. You're very lucky to have these photos. They are like looking back in time

Hope to see more

Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: JD on July 09, 2023, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: GT350Lad on July 09, 2023, 09:09:30 PM
Thanks for sharing Bill. Very cool. You're very lucky to have these photos. They are like looking back in time

Hope to see more



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Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: tesgt350 on July 10, 2023, 07:03:53 AM
Quote from: Bill Collins on July 09, 2023, 07:20:32 PM
I recently discovered a remarkable ad that appeared in the Baltimore Sun newspaper on Sunday, February 25, 1965. It is a display ad announcing the arrival and display of the Mustang GT350.

A scan of the ad is attached. What is even more remarkable (to me) is that the car described in the ad is most certainly 006. Although the photo is from the 1965 Shelby press kit and possibly not of my car, the timing of the ad relative to when 006 arrived at the dealership and some key phrases in the ad are rather compelling evidence.

006 was reportedly air freighted to Pennsylvania to appear at the Philadelphia Auto show, which ran January 9-15. It was purchased there by Les Lepedus (sp?) who owned Archway. The MSO from Shelby to Archway is dated February 12th, about two weeks prior to the announcement ad.

The ad title reads "Mustang GT350", which was the official name of the car at the time and listed as its trade name on the MSO, which also recites "285 HP", a rating duplicated in the ad. As we know, the GT350's rating was subsequently increased to 306. The ad text begins by referring to it as the "Meanest Mustang" - a phrase that also appears on a sign placed on the roof of 006 when Archway displayed it at the Baltimore World Of Wheels show, where the first retail owner purchased it on March 5, 1965.

I am fortunate to have a copy of the MSO and some photos, which are attached. I am still looking for photos from the Philly Auto Show. The Philadelphia Inquirer had several days of show coverage, but the GT350 is mentioned in only one small photo article, obviously written from a press release, that does not mention its presence at the show. But maybe someone has a snapshot taken there. If you do, I would like to hear from you!

In the Advertisement, isn't that Shelby parked in front of Shelby's Office?
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: 557 on July 10, 2023, 07:46:10 AM
Killer history,thanks for sharing this.
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: Coralsnake on July 10, 2023, 10:46:05 AM
You have got some rare stuff there Mr Collins
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: Bill Collins on July 10, 2023, 12:16:13 PM
Quote from: tesgt350 on July 10, 2023, 07:03:53 AM
In the Advertisement, isn't that Shelby parked in front of Shelby's Office?

The photo was taken in front of 3217 - 3219 Carter Avenue, which is around the corner from 1042 Princeton where  Shelby's office was located. Carter was where the early GT350 production took place.

I attached another view of the car that clearly shows the front entrance with the address, plus a closeup of the front doors.

These photos, along with many others of Carter Avenue GT350 production, originally appeared in this Forum thread started by Szabo from Germany - Thanks!:
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=6308.0
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: CharlesTurner on July 11, 2023, 12:16:13 AM
That's 5S003 in the Carter Ave. pics.  If I remember right, it's the only set of photos taken (by Brock) with Cragars on the driver side.  This picture was taken before 003 was prepared to meet current 'GT350' specs, so it could be sold.  It still has the hand-painted lettering on the fenders and a radio antenna can be seen in the pics.
Title: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: Bill Collins on July 11, 2023, 09:07:18 AM
Quote from: CharlesTurner on July 11, 2023, 12:16:13 AM
That's 5S003 in the Carter Ave. pics.  If I remember right, it's the only set of photos taken (by Brock) with Cragars on the driver side.  This picture was taken before 003 was prepared to meet current 'GT350' specs, so it could be sold.  It still has the hand-painted lettering on the fenders and a radio antenna can be seen in the pics.

Thanks Charles - I suspected it may have been 003 but was unable to confirm that when I wrote the post. I did notice the rocker stripe lettering.
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: Szabo on August 08, 2023, 05:13:50 PM
Very nice story, cool Pics and thanks for the Link to my thread ...
The best for me is to have a 100percent bullet proof date of the Advertisment,
so it is clear the Pics are made befor these date.

i always have a lot of trouble to belief that the GT350 in Front of Carter Ave is 5003,
but i am not a troublemaker so i keep my opinon mostly for me.

it is telled in every book or brochure that the Car in Front of Carter is 5003 ...

The Point for my belief that it is not 5003  shows this, for me unkown, dark little stripe on the door,
near the handle and wears on both side the Cragars.

The latest Pic from 5003 is made around 20 May 1965 in the LAX Race Hangar still shows the Steelies,


Anyway, what i know is that the Pics from "GT350 befor Carter Ave" Shooting is also used on a
Goodyear Blue Dot Advertisment and on the Ford Motorsport Book.

Greetings from Germany

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from these Ford Motorsport Book/Folder ( a Print date would be very helpful)

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(https://abload.de/img/s-l16002e4ib3.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=s-l16002e4ib3.jpg)

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Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 08, 2023, 09:13:56 PM
Quote from: Szabo on August 08, 2023, 05:13:50 PMThe latest Pic from 5003 is made around 20 May 1965 in the LAX Race Hangar still shows the Steelies,
Or - the steel wheels back on it. I imagine the wheels and tires were switched on many occasions while testing and developing. I'd think they were swapped every magazine test - due to excessive wear  :).
I wonder if SA had input into the wheel development? I got a set of BBS wheels off a Motor Trend Chrysler project car that was going to the crusher. I was at CS's Whittier skunk works one day and he looked at my wife's mini van and said those wheels have the wrong backspacing. He pointed at a stack of ones with new Gatorbacks on them and said take those they'll work better. The back space was 1/4" different and I still can't figure out how he could keep all these little details in his head from old projects.
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 08, 2023, 11:07:15 PM
Best to start a new topic if wanting to discuss the car in the picture.  BTW, the VIN of 003 is SFM5S003... it had an S as the VIN wasn't assigned until later, which by then the S and R designation was being used. 
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: tesgt350 on August 09, 2023, 07:59:48 AM
Quote from: Szabo on August 08, 2023, 05:13:50 PM
Very nice story, cool Pics and thanks for the Link to my thread ...
The best for me is to have a 100percent bullet proof date of the Advertisment,
so it is clear the Pics are made befor these date.

i always have a lot of trouble to belief that the GT350 in Front of Carter Ave is 5003,
but i am not a troublemaker so i keep my opinon mostly for me.

it is telled in every book or brochure that the Car in Front of Carter is 5003 ...

The Point for my belief that it is not 5003  shows this, for me unkown, dark little stripe on the door,
near the handle and wears on both side the Cragars.

The latest Pic from 5003 is made around 20 May 1965 in the LAX Race Hangar still shows the Steelies,


Anyway, what i know is that the Pics from "GT350 befor Carter Ave" Shooting is also used on a
Goodyear Blue Dot Advertisment and on the Ford Motorsport Book.

Greetings from Germany

(https://abload.de/img/1yvc8m.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1yvc8m.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/2xtc87.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=2xtc87.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/3o1f79.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=3o1f79.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/4yudfq.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=4yudfq.jpg)

from these Ford Motorsport Book/Folder ( a Print date would be very helpful)

(https://abload.de/img/s-l160014gf68.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=s-l160014gf68.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/s-l16002e4ib3.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=s-l16002e4ib3.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/s-l16003rxiq2.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=s-l16003rxiq2.jpg)

The Goodyear Advertisment...



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I believe that "Black Stripe" by the Door Handle is a Plastic Piece on the Door Lip to protect it from Dinging something and chipping the Paint.
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: FL SAAC on August 09, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Superb
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 09, 2023, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: tesgt350 on August 09, 2023, 07:59:48 AM
I believe that "Black Stripe" by the Door Handle is a Plastic Piece on the Door Lip to protect it from Dinging something and chipping the Paint.

Correct, they were put on at the Ford assembly plant.  Can be seen on other period photos at Carter St./Venice and LAX.

Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: Prototype on August 10, 2023, 10:19:04 AM
Nice find Bill
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: Bill Collins on August 10, 2023, 02:03:18 PM
Quote from: CharlesTurner on August 09, 2023, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: tesgt350 on August 09, 2023, 07:59:48 AM
I believe that "Black Stripe" by the Door Handle is a Plastic Piece on the Door Lip to protect it from Dinging something and chipping the Paint.

Correct, they were put on at the Ford assembly plant.  Can be seen on other period photos at Carter St./Venice and LAX.

Here are some Dave Friedman photos of a batch of the first hundred cars from San Jose assembly being unloaded at Shelby American behind Carter Avenue. Note the door protectors on some cars. I recall seeing these on various new Fords back in the day and have one in my parts collection. The ones on cars around here were clear vinyl although the San Jose ones are black. This is likely an assembly plant variation.

Also note some cars lacking roof roof louvres and rear windows - these were destined to be R Models. 
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: J_Speegle on August 10, 2023, 03:49:47 PM
Quote from: Bill Collins on August 10, 2023, 02:03:18 PM
.............................. The ones on cars around here were clear vinyl although the San Jose ones are black. This is likely an assembly plant variation.

Have seen "clear" ones also on San Jose built cars but in later years. Likely a supplier thing (certain plants and year also in th emix)
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: Special Ed on August 11, 2023, 10:36:33 AM
I got some  ford black door edge rubber protectors that simply push on and off the door skin edge at the doors most outer point so when cars were transported the door edge paint wont get chipped when getting loaded and moved around. They can easy get bumped off but are a very good idea when opening the door in a tight spot.
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: Tomdeg on August 11, 2023, 05:59:03 PM
Found this under the dash of my '66. Is this a door guard? Apparently clear but has yellowed over time.

Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: J_Speegle on August 11, 2023, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: Tomdeg on August 11, 2023, 05:59:03 PM
Found this under the dash of my '66. Is this a door guard? Apparently clear but has yellowed over time.

Never seen one cut or notched in sections
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: Tomdeg on August 11, 2023, 08:09:56 PM
It was on the sheetmetal edge of the opening below the A pillar, like to protect wires? Maybe someone's modification?
Title: Re: '65 GT350 5006 at Archway Ford
Post by: greekz on August 12, 2023, 04:33:56 PM
I had one on my car, 1134, when I took it apart during the restoration.  I put it back on.