SAAC Forum

Deals and Appeals => Up For Auction => Topic started by: 5s386 on June 02, 2023, 12:22:49 PM

Title: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: 5s386 on June 02, 2023, 12:22:49 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-shelby-mustang-gt350-15/?fbclid=IwAR0p3X7tb13swLERjqqr5NK8Rfsvi60Qst244TWIFK43FamhLGSdvdV3G0g
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: acapulco350 on June 02, 2023, 01:59:47 PM
that is in the neighborhood of FL SAAC

maybe he can swing by and check it out for someone if required

8)
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: capecodmustang.com on June 02, 2023, 03:25:30 PM
I'm under the impression that a couple SAAC members owned # 8 at one time...

Would it have the original drive train?

If you know please reach out...

Thank you!

bret@capecodmustang.com
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: Bob Gaines on June 02, 2023, 03:29:16 PM
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on June 02, 2023, 03:25:30 PM
I'm under the impression that a couple SAAC members owned # 8 at one time...

Would it have the original drive train?

If you know please reach out...

Thank you!

bret@capecodmustang.com
It did when I owned it but that was 30 some years ago. I have one dealer friend that bought it from the owner I sold it to and then sold it and took it back on trade at least twice.
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: capecodmustang.com on June 02, 2023, 03:35:49 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 02, 2023, 03:29:16 PM
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on June 02, 2023, 03:25:30 PM
I'm under the impression that a couple SAAC members owned # 8 at one time...

Would it have the original drive train?

If you know please reach out...

Thank you!

bret@capecodmustang.com
It did when I owned it but that was 30 some years ago. I have one dealer friend that bought it from the owner I sold it to and then sold it and took it back on trade at least twice.

Kelly?
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: Bob Gaines on June 02, 2023, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on June 02, 2023, 03:35:49 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 02, 2023, 03:29:16 PM
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on June 02, 2023, 03:25:30 PM
I'm under the impression that a couple SAAC members owned # 8 at one time...

Would it have the original drive train?

If you know please reach out...

Thank you!

bret@capecodmustang.com
It did when I owned it but that was 30 some years ago. I have one dealer friend that bought it from the owner I sold it to and then sold it and took it back on trade at least twice.

Kelly?
yep
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: capecodmustang.com on June 02, 2023, 04:05:49 PM
Thank you Bob...

I'm just a sucker for early 67's....
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: 5s386 on June 02, 2023, 10:05:03 PM
I would personally inspect the driveline to confirm matching #'s if that is important for someone.
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: George Schalk on June 03, 2023, 11:43:25 AM
Question for Bob G. or any of the previous owners remember if #0008 had any sheetmetal replaced, mainly inner fender aprons?  Wondering if all SJ vins are still present on the inner aprons?

Any old pre-restoration pics floating around?

Thanks,
George schalk
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: Bob Gaines on June 03, 2023, 12:34:32 PM
Quote from: George Schalk on June 03, 2023, 11:43:25 AM
Question for Bob G. or any of the previous owners remember if #0008 had any sheetmetal replaced, mainly inner fender aprons?  Wondering if all SJ vins are still present on the inner aprons?

Any old pre-restoration pics floating around?

Thanks,
George schalk
George,when I had it the car it had evidence of being hit in all four corners like wrinkled aprons and rear quarters however it was original sheet metal that had ether been poorly straightened  or bondoed  over. I bought the car specifically for the gray early amp gauge terminal block and for the early removable roll bar cover to replace the missing ones on the restoration of 0001.  I see that the terminal block has been replaced.I replaced the roll bar with one from a later double digit car (#?) which is the same bar just with a dip produced padded covering and a later black terminal block . I did not need anything else.With the those parts procured I sold the running driving but unrestored car without doing any other repairs. The next owner Ben Bernett (great guy) had the car restored. I was not privy to how they accomplished that . I helped him with answering questions by phone.
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: Bob Gaines on June 03, 2023, 12:39:26 PM
The Ford vins and Shelby stamped passenger side vin all appeared to be in place when I had it .
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: George Schalk on June 03, 2023, 12:53:25 PM
Thanks for your input Bob.  How many early 67's do you think had the removable roll bar cover?

Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: capecodmustang.com on June 03, 2023, 01:11:58 PM
George:
I have #11 and #17...
Both do not have the removable cover...

I've had #14 and #16.

I think #16 did....

Bret
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: Bob Gaines on June 03, 2023, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: George Schalk on June 03, 2023, 12:53:25 PM
Thanks for your input Bob.  How many early 67's do you think had the removable roll bar cover?
George my guess is most likely they were ones in the first DSO group of cars built. It couldn't have been many. Maybe Dave Mathews has something in the DSO paperwork.  To add to the confusion is the fact that I know of other cars that had the covers lost or otherwise taken off and a later dipped roll bar was substituted just like I did with 0008. Those early cars with replaced dipped bars will skew the results of a survey . Owners can be VERY sensitive when it comes to details about their car. There are always going to be those that will insist that since their car had a dipped bar from the factory because it has always been that way and that that it must be original even though it has been replaced. Some certainly maybe original others certainly were not. At least as it relates to that early cluster of cars first built.
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: roddster on June 07, 2023, 10:16:57 AM
  Attempting to nail down the detail on the removeable/non-removeable roll bar cover: 
Would the removeable one have the seam on the backside of the uprights?  #0036's does have that.
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: Bob Gaines on June 07, 2023, 01:08:42 PM
Quote from: roddster on June 07, 2023, 10:16:57 AM
  Attempting to nail down the detail on the removeable/non-removeable roll bar cover: 
Would the removeable one have the seam on the backside of the uprights?  #0036's does have that.
Yes typically .
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: SpartanSmoke on June 07, 2023, 01:54:28 PM
I can add 0062 has the removable roll bar cover.

Mike
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: FL SAAC on June 07, 2023, 03:14:24 PM
Sold
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: Bob Gaines on June 07, 2023, 05:25:38 PM
Quote from: SpartanSmoke on June 07, 2023, 01:54:28 PM
I can add 0062 has the removable roll bar cover.

Mike
Very interesting . Thanks for relaying the info. Unlike trying to legitimize a dipped roll bar in a early car it is extremely unlikely that someone would take a later car that had a dipped bar that had been damaged and replace it with one of the roll bars with the removable cover. That scenario is highly improbable.  This is because the removable cover rollbars are so extremly rare . I had to buy a entire car to get one 30+ years ago . It would be even more improbable and expensive to do the same thing today. I have only seen one removable cover rollbar for sale in all my years. It was a guy who made a radical restomod and didn't want any of the original parts. It was in the high 50's I think. By contrast there are I am sure a number examples of the removable cover roll bar cars that had their cover lost or torn and have been replaced with the dipped bar. Relatively speaking compared to the removable cover rollbars you somewhat frequently see later production 67 dipped roll bars cut from cars for whatever reason and for sale.   
Title: Re: 67200F50008 on BAT
Post by: SpartanSmoke on June 09, 2023, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 07, 2023, 05:25:38 PM
Quote from: SpartanSmoke on June 07, 2023, 01:54:28 PM
I can add 0062 has the removable roll bar cover.

Mike
Very interesting . Thanks for relaying the info. Unlike trying to legitimize a dipped roll bar in a early car it is extremely unlikely that someone would take a later car that had a dipped bar that had been damaged and replace it with one of the roll bars with the removable cover. That scenario is highly improbable.  This is because the removable cover rollbars are so extremly rare . I had to buy a entire car to get one 30+ years ago . It would be even more improbable and expensive to do the same thing today. I have only seen one removable cover rollbar for sale in all my years. It was a guy who made a radical restomod and didn't want any of the original parts. It was in the high 50's I think. By contrast there are I am sure a number examples of the removable cover roll bar cars that had their cover lost or torn and have been replaced with the dipped bar. Relatively speaking compared to the removable cover rollbars you somewhat frequently see later production 67 dipped roll bars cut from cars for whatever reason and for sale.

Bob, I don't have anywhere close to the experience that you have but I completely agree.  This was the first auction of a very early 350 that I have followed and I am thankful for the information you and Brian Styles shared. If I can provide anything of substance concerning my car please let me know.

Mike