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Title: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Michael Bol on May 14, 2023, 03:50:16 PM
Hi, I am a new member to this forum.
I recently became the new owner of a GT350-H and little information has come with the sale, too bad! I did get information through a Marti Report and this register.
Still, I am curious if there is more to be found about my GT350. VIN 8T02J149344-01143.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 14, 2023, 03:54:43 PM
Contact Mr Liska

Vinman@infionline.net
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 14, 2023, 04:14:50 PM
It was restored with customized front valence, headlight buckets, hood, mirrors, rear quarters, tail light panel and rear spoiler. 

From what I see it went through a several retail dealers. One was in the Netherlands
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Michael Bol on May 15, 2023, 09:23:19 AM
Thanx. Allready contacted Vincent and know what's in the registry.
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Michael Bol on May 15, 2023, 09:26:54 AM
Thanx Coralsnake. I'm curious how you got this information.
When was the Shelby restored and by whom, where?

I did indeed buy the car in the Netherlands.

Since I don't have any documentation, I research the timeline carefully. All input is welcome.
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 15, 2023, 10:02:17 AM
I do not have that information

It appears that the car was at a dealership in St Louis, Mo called Daniel Schmitt.

The car had more modifications there, perhaps contacting them will get you a date?

I can check the Registry but the owner that modified and showed the car in the US should be available


Does the car currently have the oval rear quarter panel reflectors or the rectangular ones? It appears they were changed at some point


Original invoices should also be available for a car sold at Grillo Ford

Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 15, 2023, 05:10:49 PM
Heres what is in the Registry with the information I gave you:

Car built by Ford 1/15/68

Car sent to Al Grillo Ford

Car sent to Hertz corporation 1 year

Mildred Masselle

Bonnie Cote

Raymond Fritz

Victor DiFranco owned car with modifications

Mike Bartz

Daniel Schmitt-dealer

Aaldering- dealer some modifications corrected

Car may have been at another dealership called "checkered Flag"
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Michael Bol on May 16, 2023, 04:36:45 PM
It's a square one which should be the right one in my opinion.
Already ordered the complete registry but thanx for the list.

Do you know how to contact Grillo Ford.

Anyway, Thank you for answering my quenstions. In the Netherlands is hard to find Good information
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Michael Bol on May 16, 2023, 04:39:45 PM
Here are some pictures. Taken at Aalderink recently.
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 16, 2023, 04:46:58 PM
Grillo went out of business decades ago.

You will not find anything there except a pharmacy.

Contact Kevin Marti and ask for the "Eminger" documents

http://www.thecoralsnake.com/Grillo.html
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 16, 2023, 04:54:02 PM
You can also tell Aaldering the red GT350 they have is a complete fake.

The real car is here in the USA with all original tags.
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Michael Bol on May 17, 2023, 08:09:41 AM
As long mine is real.....but ai ai ai. I will tell them friday.
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Michael Bol on May 18, 2023, 04:24:13 AM
Are you sure the GT at Aalderink is a fake? Is there any proof? It is recentst for sale.
Looks pretty good with all the documentation and Aalderink is a pretty famous and solid dealer who has a good name. I should be sure when I tell them.
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 18, 2023, 05:56:34 AM
I will send you a private message.

My passports are up to date, so if they need me to fly in I can check my schedule.


Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Michael Bol on May 18, 2023, 09:48:17 AM
You seem to be right. Ai
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Bob Gaines on May 18, 2023, 10:07:08 AM
Someone did a excellent job recreating the tag. The VIN plate has the correct nuance details and reverse stamped letters and numbers are indexed the same. The typical repro plate is easily spotted and the number and letter execution are off. Without the patina VIN plate to so show comparison that the tag had been replaced it would be hard to tell by that it alone. 
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 18, 2023, 10:27:36 AM
I expressed to Michael the only way to resolve this is to inspect both cars carefully and in person. Additionally, research needs to be carefully conducted on histories.

It becomes particularly difficult if each retains some original parts.

Its never good when two cars have the same numbers
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: tesgt350 on May 18, 2023, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 18, 2023, 10:27:36 AM
I expressed to Michael the only way to resolve this is to inspect both cars carefully and in person. Additionally, research needs to be carefully conducted on histories.

It becomes particularly difficult if each retains some original parts.

Its never good when two cars have the same numbers

Have anyone going through the older SAAC Registries to see when that VIN# was first registered and looked at the details?
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 18, 2023, 10:59:49 AM
Yes

Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: J_Speegle on May 18, 2023, 04:27:41 PM
Quote from: Michael Bol on May 18, 2023, 04:24:13 AM
Are you sure the GT at Aalderink is a fake? Is there any proof? It is recentst for sale.
Looks pretty good with all the documentation and Aalderink is a pretty famous and solid dealer who has a good name. I should be sure when I tell them.

Unfortunately, business and people get deceived all the time. Can't count the number of times the "bad news" has had to be delivered to unknowing sellers and owners. That is why we try hard to keep others from making the same mistakes or possibly taking the risks. History\, documentation and VIN's don't tell the whole story it's the current facts and findings that should provide the true current conditions.

Even with the internet and access to tons more information than was possible in decades past locations, buyers and cars outside of the US and North America have a more difficult challenge. In the last year help buyers in Hungary and Norway. In both cases the cars were not what they were claimed to be. Unfortunately one contact was after the purchase and had been moved from one country to another adding to the challenges. 

Good luck
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: JohnB on May 18, 2023, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: J_Speegle on May 18, 2023, 04:27:41 PM

.......In the last year help buyers in Hungary and Norway......


Hmmm. Wonder if I know about that one...?
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: JohnB on May 19, 2023, 03:00:25 AM
The Red fake car came from Las Vegas in 1998.


Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 19, 2023, 05:42:12 AM
Very  helpful thank you
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 19, 2023, 10:31:09 AM
We can start a new thread on the red car if it goes further...
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: 5s386 on May 19, 2023, 10:01:37 PM
I have information on your Shelby #1143. Please PM me. Thanks.
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Michael Bol on May 21, 2023, 05:03:39 AM
I got the registry today. Great!!
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 21, 2023, 07:27:20 AM
It appears the history of the two cars is mixed together.

I am working to help sort out the two cars with the club

Michael you should start a new posting so we can fond this information later
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Michael Bol on May 21, 2023, 05:39:40 PM
You allready did. I won't by the car. But I will bring the discussion to their attention.
Title: Re: Trying to get background info on my GT350-H - 8T02J149344-01143
Post by: Coralsnake on May 21, 2023, 05:46:52 PM
Cant wait to hear how they handle it