Hi Folks, I'm new to the forum. I purchased my firan original 68 GT350 convertible basket case. All original parts are there except engine/trans. I plan on doing a full and correct restoration, but with the drive train long gone, here is my question: In terms of value and resale, am I better off sourcing a date correct J code/T-10 or a more powerful and fun to drive 330 or 347/5spd set-up (my initial preference)? I do plan on keeping engine bay as stock as possible. Thanks!
You should probably start with a little more research
The 1968s do not use the T10 transmission ???
In terms of resale, your choices are not likely to effect the value significantly
My bad :-[. Thanks!
Quote from: Rcbach302 on April 05, 2023, 04:26:46 PM
Hi Folks, I'm new to the forum. I purchased my firan original 68 GT350 convertible basket case. All original parts are there except engine/trans. I plan on doing a full and correct restoration, but with the drive train long gone, here is my question: In terms of value and resale, am I better off sourcing a date correct J code/T-10 or a more powerful and fun to drive 330 or 347/5spd set-up (my initial preference)? I do plan on keeping engine bay as stock as possible. Thanks!
Better off is a matter opinion and depends on your criteria. The 302 J code engine and transmission will probably be less money sourcing then the stroked engine and T10 .The stock engine and trans would be the safe bet as it relates to resale . The most common question asked from Shelby buyers is how original is it which is something to consider when talking resale? In this case meaning the low performance 302 J code and toploader or C4 transmission . With that said the fun factor of the non original engine and transmission in this case may appeal to many. The seller would have the best chance of offsetting the modifications as for as resell value if engine visually kept stock looking under the hood. The modified engine and trans although fun would be more of a resale price gamble because of the original imperative that many put on theses cars.
Quote from: Rcbach302 on April 05, 2023, 04:26:46 PM
Hi Folks, I'm new to the forum. I purchased my firan original 68 GT350 convertible basket case. All original parts are there except engine/trans. I plan on doing a full and correct restoration, but with the drive train long gone, ..............................
If your doing a "restoration" then IMHO you are limited in choices. Since you don't have the original drivetrain you are limited to finding another engine and trans dated as close to original ones as possible
If your not looking at restoring then the options are truly wide open
Is this a car you'll be keeping for a long time, or is it a flip?
IMO: If a flip, then I'd recommend keeping it as stock as possible. Appropriate 302 J-codes and transmissions aren't too hard to find.
If it's a keeper, then do whatever you like with the powertrain. You said that you don't have the originals anyway.
If you decide to go the 302 J code path and share car build date/serial# & auto/4spd, I will check my spare J code drivetrain stuff. Wish to pass these parts along sooner than later (meaning junk them),
Joe (J code owner of 40+ years)
Rcbach302,
History & Shelby owners tells us this.
Guys that modify an original Shelby, 99 % of the time >> keep the original parts they take off, including entire engines and transmissions.
Your case, you don't have either major component.
If you have millions, make it an Eleanor, modify and enjoy, but it is not an investment towards an original Shelby as built then .
Finding a complete J code engine and trans will not be any kind of a problem.
Either which way, please enjoy your journey, lots of guys here to help guide.ya !
Respectfully,
John
Both! Get an engine in there so you can drive and enjoy the car. Then you can take your time and source the correct date coded motor and parts. Restore, keep on an engine stand, and swap if you want to go the original route. Have fun! Jack
Build it how you want to - If you plan on driving it go big or go home. You don't want to be embarrassed by some 4 cyl econobox. If it's going to be a trailer queen go stock. If it's a keeper and you do go the "performance" route start buying up the correct date code stuff so you can do a show quality restoration in your old age.
Interesting thread with many sound suggestions. All I can offer is my own experience. I owned a '68 with a 302 prepared using the period, Muscle Parts program. Built as the stage 5, Dominator kit. Advertised as 155 HP increase. Essentially a 302 block, 351W 4V heads cut for GT40 valves, C90Z-6109 pop-up forged pistons, Boss 302 balancer, dual point distributor, C7FE-6250-A "LeMans" cam. Rotating assembly was properly balanced. The car was an absolute blast to drive. Easily lay waste to a 396 Camaro. Other than the tube headers and Holley carb, appeared stock. I am in the process of building a clone with an aluminum block. What's not to like about a Ford that turns heads and backs it up with impressive HP?
Take that aluminum block and bore it to 4.125 with a 3.25 crank and you will have a nice 347ci motor that can rev to 8 grand if you want.
Roy
Food for thought: IF you car is a 4 speed then consider that finding the correct 4 speed smog heads and also a correct thermactor system will be really hard. I had that issue with mine because none of the 4 speed drivetrain was original. Car came with a date code correct block but automatic heads. I missed out on a smog system and decide a slightly modified route and used the automatic heads for a cleaner look and changed the color of my car to black and did well when I sold it.
https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/1968-mustang-gt-j-code-302-engine.1211517/unread
Looks to have the heads and exhaust manifolds for an automatic (non-smog).
I will be picking up a 68 4spd J Code drivetrain (smog heads and exhaust manifolds) from a Metuchen built Mustang. I have no need but couldn't let the parts go in the dumpster. I will post what I get and make them available.
Quote from: WT6066-2600 on April 20, 2023, 03:57:25 PM
Looks to have the heads and exhaust manifolds for an automatic (non-smog).
I will be picking up a 68 4spd J Code drivetrain (smog heads and exhaust manifolds) from a Metuchen built Mustang. I have no need but couldn't let the parts go in the dumpster. I will post what I get and make them available.
Your a good man Joe.
Thank you all for the sound advice; what a great place to get answers. I have decided to compromise and go the date correct approach on drivetrain components. A reputable local Ford engine builder (JBA San Diego) claims easy 325-350 hp with a stroker kit, head massage and cam. Certainly enough power to have some fun with.
One last question, in searching for a block and top loader, how far back from the build date should I look?
My 68 was a late December '67 casting and a Valentine's Day Ford build. In my case, 5 to 6 weeks.
The transmission I never paid attention to.
Info for my GT350s
4 spd built 5/20 - engine casting 6 weeks earlier - assembled ~2 weeks earlier
Automatic built 6/3 - engine casting 7+ weeks earlier - assembled ~3 weeks earlier
Cast date is the same for both but different assembly dates
Good hunting
Got it. Saw the post above with a listing, same one on eBay thats 12/30/67; guessing that's too early so I will keep looking.