Is it a safe assumption these are from an aftermarket sway bar?
1969 Shelbys did not use rear sway bars and Ford would not have used screws to attach the brackets
So, I agree ... not oem
Pretty much what I was thinking, thanks!
Yes, aftermarket. Btw, some 1970s did have rear sway bars. Mine did. They were mounted exactly the same as Boss 302s, and Mach-1s.
Quote from: crossboss on December 27, 2022, 11:48:27 AM
Yes, aftermarket. Btw, some 1970s did have rear sway bars. Mine did. They were mounted exactly the same as Boss 302s, and Mach-1s.
70 Shelby's were not specified to come from the factory with rear sway bars. This is not to say that you didn't find one on a 70 Shelby just that it most likely had been added after leaving Ford and or AO Smith. If a factory mistake happened you will have to provide some type reasonable proof in concours for example . FYI Past owner testimony has been proven flawed in the past so that is not considered valid. Outside of concours without reasonable proof you will be viewed as just another owner trying to justify a non original part as factory ,there are many so don't be surprised.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 27, 2022, 12:09:41 PM
Quote from: crossboss on December 27, 2022, 11:48:27 AM
Yes, aftermarket. Btw, some 1970s did have rear sway bars. Mine did. They were mounted exactly the same as Boss 302s, and Mach-1s.
70 Shelby's were not specified to come from the factory with rear sway bars. This is not to say that you didn't find one on a 70 Shelby just that it most likely had been added after leaving Ford and or AO Smith. If a factory mistake happened you will have to provide some type reasonable proof in concours for example . FYI Past owner testimony has been proven flawed in the past so that is not considered valid. Outside of concours without reasonable proof you will be viewed as just another owner trying to justify a non original part as factory ,there are many so don't be surprised.
Original owner was a brass hat car. It was sent to KK. Had all sorts of unusual stuff on it. 0F02R483129. I bought it in 1984 from the original owners. Never modified.
If sounds like a great car, those modifications were probably there in 1984 (+14 years after build) and might have been added by the previous owner.
I agree with Mr Gaines, it's unlikely they were done by Kar Kraft. Like AO Smith they had a very specific contract to make very specific changes to the "1970" cars. I doubt they spent a lot of time freelancing on any one car, no matter who it was intended for.
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 28, 2022, 06:42:13 AM
If sounds like a great car, those modifications were probably there in 1984 (+14 years after build) and might have been added by the previous owner.
I agree with Mr Gaines, it's unlikely they were done by Kar Kraft. Like AO Smith they had a very specific contract to make very specific changes to the "1970" cars. I doubt they spent a lot of time freelancing on any one car, no matter who it was intended for.
The car was sent to KK for all of the 1970 model year changes, including the California smog (emissions). I'm 99% confidant the original owner did not do all/any of the 'upgrades' including with D0 (1970) plastic inner part numbers, 1970 rear side marker lights, XE parts, etc. This stuff was too elaborate for an 'owner' to swap out when new. Odd cars were built. This was one of them. I'm not saying that I owned a 'special' car. As the saying goes, "$hi! happens".
Quote from: crossboss on December 28, 2022, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 28, 2022, 06:42:13 AM
If sounds like a great car, those modifications were probably there in 1984 (+14 years after build) and might have been added by the previous owner.
I agree with Mr Gaines, it's unlikely they were done by Kar Kraft. Like AO Smith they had a very specific contract to make very specific changes to the "1970" cars. I doubt they spent a lot of time freelancing on any one car, no matter who it was intended for.
The car was sent to KK for all of the 1970 model year changes, including the California smog (emissions). I'm 99% confidant the original owner did not do all/any of the 'upgrades' including with D0 (1970) plastic inner part numbers, 1970 rear side marker lights, XE parts, etc. This stuff was too elaborate for an 'owner' to swap out when new. Odd cars were built. This was one of them. I'm not saying that I owned a 'special' car. As the saying goes, "$hi! happens".
The 69/70 Shelby registrar apparently isn't convinced on some of the out of the ordinary "upgrades" given the "many chassis modifications" entry in the 2014 registry.
Doesn't the sway bar occupy the same space as the transverse muffler? ;)
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 28, 2022, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: crossboss on December 28, 2022, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 28, 2022, 06:42:13 AM
If sounds like a great car, those modifications were probably there in 1984 (+14 years after build) and might have been added by the previous owner.
I agree with Mr Gaines, it's unlikely they were done by Kar Kraft. Like AO Smith they had a very specific contract to make very specific changes to the "1970" cars. I doubt they spent a lot of time freelancing on any one car, no matter who it was intended for.
The car was sent to KK for all of the 1970 model year changes, including the California smog (emissions). I'm 99% confidant the original owner did not do all/any of the 'upgrades' including with D0 (1970) plastic inner part numbers, 1970 rear side marker lights, XE parts, etc. This stuff was too elaborate for an 'owner' to swap out when new. Odd cars were built. This was one of them. I'm not saying that I owned a 'special' car. As the saying goes, "$hi! happens".
The 69/70 Shelby registrar apparently isn't convinced on some of the out of the ordinary "upgrades" given the "many chassis modifications" entry in the 2014 registry.
I disagree. SAAC is always correct...not. Like I mentioned, I purchased the car from the original owners in 1984. It was a virgin car.
Quote from: crossboss on December 29, 2022, 01:51:37 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 28, 2022, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: crossboss on December 28, 2022, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 28, 2022, 06:42:13 AM
If sounds like a great car, those modifications were probably there in 1984 (+14 years after build) and might have been added by the previous owner.
I agree with Mr Gaines, it's unlikely they were done by Kar Kraft. Like AO Smith they had a very specific contract to make very specific changes to the "1970" cars. I doubt they spent a lot of time freelancing on any one car, no matter who it was intended for.
The car was sent to KK for all of the 1970 model year changes, including the California smog (emissions). I'm 99% confidant the original owner did not do all/any of the 'upgrades' including with D0 (1970) plastic inner part numbers, 1970 rear side marker lights, XE parts, etc. This stuff was too elaborate for an 'owner' to swap out when new. Odd cars were built. This was one of them. I'm not saying that I owned a 'special' car. As the saying goes, "$hi! happens".
The 69/70 Shelby registrar apparently isn't convinced on some of the out of the ordinary "upgrades" given the "many chassis modifications" entry in the 2014 registry.
I disagree. SAAC is always correct...not. Like I mentioned, I purchased the car from the original owners in 1984. It was a virgin car.
I can think of numerous reasons why the out of the ordinary claims you made are not valid . Not to be unnecessarily harsh but SAAC has more credibility and credentials in this instance to validate their position then your undocumented ,unproven ,and extra ordinary claims . Here say past owner testimony is not considered reliable as extra ordinary proof given the many times it has been proven wrong in other similar circumstances in the past . Expect push back when promoting what others consider false facts that may unknowingly be used by readers to restore cars by.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 29, 2022, 02:57:05 PM
Quote from: crossboss on December 29, 2022, 01:51:37 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 28, 2022, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: crossboss on December 28, 2022, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 28, 2022, 06:42:13 AM
If sounds like a great car, those modifications were probably there in 1984 (+14 years after build) and might have been added by the previous owner.
I agree with Mr Gaines, it's unlikely they were done by Kar Kraft. Like AO Smith they had a very specific contract to make very specific changes to the "1970" cars. I doubt they spent a lot of time freelancing on any one car, no matter who it was intended for.
The car was sent to KK for all of the 1970 model year changes, including the California smog (emissions). I'm 99% confidant the original owner did not do all/any of the 'upgrades' including with D0 (1970) plastic inner part numbers, 1970 rear side marker lights, XE parts, etc. This stuff was too elaborate for an 'owner' to swap out when new. Odd cars were built. This was one of them. I'm not saying that I owned a 'special' car. As the saying goes, "$hi! happens".
The 69/70 Shelby registrar apparently isn't convinced on some of the out of the ordinary "upgrades" given the "many chassis modifications" entry in the 2014 registry.
I disagree. SAAC is always correct...not. Like I mentioned, I purchased the car from the original owners in 1984. It was a virgin car.
I can think of numerous reasons why the out of the ordinary claims you made are not valid . Not to be unnecessarily harsh but SAAC has more credibility and credentials in this instance to validate their position then your undocumented ,unproven ,and extra ordinary claims . Here say past owner testimony is not considered reliable as extra ordinary proof given the many times it has been proven wrong in other similar circumstances in the past . Expect push back when promoting what others consider false facts that may unknowingly be used by readers to restore cars by.
Bob,
With all due respect you are incorrect on all aspects. I know what I had, the car was built that way. The owners did not modify the car in any way. YOU were not there, YOU have not seen the car. We are done with this back and forth debate.
Bob
YOU obviously don't understand that Kar Kraft was fully capable of adding new 1970 parts and expensive experimental parts, at no charge or recorded on any invoice, to a car that was not even designated as an engineering vehicle. Not to mention everyone there realized the Shelby program had ended.
They did all these modifications for free before the car was shipped to the other side of the country for a retail sale with no regard to the fact it likely voided the warranty provided by Ford.
(Sarcasm font)
🤪
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 29, 2022, 03:48:21 PM
Bob
YOU obviously don't understand that Kar Kraft was fully capable of adding new 1970 parts and expensive experimental parts, at no charge or recorded on any invoice, to a car that was not even designated as an engineering vehicle. Not to mention everyone there realized the Shelby program had ended.
They did all these modifications for free before the car was shipped to the other side of the country for a retail sale with no regard to the fact it likely voided the warranty provided by Ford.
(Sarcasm font)
🤪
EXACTLY!
Quote from: crossboss on December 29, 2022, 04:31:57 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 29, 2022, 03:48:21 PM
Bob
YOU obviously don't understand that Kar Kraft was fully capable of adding new 1970 parts and expensive experimental parts, at no charge or recorded on any invoice, to a car that was not even designated as an engineering vehicle. Not to mention everyone there realized the Shelby program had ended.
They did all these modifications for free before the car was shipped to the other side of the country for a retail sale with no regard to the fact it likely voided the warranty provided by Ford.
(Sarcasm font)
🤪
EXACTLY!
This is just sad. Pete(Coralsnake) was being sarcastic because you are being ridiculous ::)
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Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 29, 2022, 04:40:20 PM
Quote from: crossboss on December 29, 2022, 04:31:57 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 29, 2022, 03:48:21 PM
Bob
YOU obviously don't understand that Kar Kraft was fully capable of adding new 1970 parts and expensive experimental parts, at no charge or recorded on any invoice, to a car that was not even designated as an engineering vehicle. Not to mention everyone there realized the Shelby program had ended.
They did all these modifications for free before the car was shipped to the other side of the country for a retail sale with no regard to the fact it likely voided the warranty provided by Ford.
(Sarcasm font)
🤪
EXACTLY!
This is just sad. Pete(Coralsnake) was being sarcastic because you are being ridiculous ::)
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Just because they (YOU) say this is correct doest always mean it is.
Quote from: crossboss on December 29, 2022, 04:50:38 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 29, 2022, 04:40:20 PM
Quote from: crossboss on December 29, 2022, 04:31:57 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 29, 2022, 03:48:21 PM
Bob
YOU obviously don't understand that Kar Kraft was fully capable of adding new 1970 parts and expensive experimental parts, at no charge or recorded on any invoice, to a car that was not even designated as an engineering vehicle. Not to mention everyone there realized the Shelby program had ended.
They did all these modifications for free before the car was shipped to the other side of the country for a retail sale with no regard to the fact it likely voided the warranty provided by Ford.
(Sarcasm font)
🤪
EXACTLY!
This is just sad. Pete(Coralsnake) was being sarcastic because you are being ridiculous ::)
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Someone who is sarcastic says or does the opposite of what they really mean in order to mock or insult someone
Just because they (YOU) say this is correct doest always mean it is.
Your right. Have a nice day.
I hate when they use that "sarcasm font"