Story goes at some point a NY Shelby 68 GT350 convertible was to rusty to save. Shell from Arizona was used and the vin tag , Shelby tag was installed after all 4 inner aprons was replaced without stamping. Shelby title is with this car. All orig fiberglass and only the center console is aftermarket. Orig motor and 4sp trans did not follow the car. The car is painted and rolling assembled body. Boxes of new aftermarket seals ect.. Still needs top installed. Give me your best guess of value on this rolling body.
If parted I would think $10K but some might consider this to low. Some may still want to assemble . Your thoughts!
I have not seen this car in person.
Roll bar ,gauges,etc. still with car?
It's no longer a 68 Shelby and vin switches are illegal. It has little value - part it out.
Quote from: 427hunter on August 25, 2022, 11:55:23 AMIt's no longer a 68 Shelby and vin switches are illegal. It has little value - part it out.
It's legal in some states to remove/reattach the VIN during repair/restoration. Sounds to me like the rear 1/2 of the car was repaired with used parts and the front with new inner panels to which the original VIN tag was reattached. Good thing this was done in AZ a couple weeks ago.
Since you have all the expensive parts and only need normal Mustang stuff build it as a daily driver. Be honest in the future that it's a rebody someone will still pay 2-3 times what a 68 Mustang is worth.
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/08/removing-and-reattaching-vin-on-a-classic-car-no-longer-against-the-law-in-arizona/
Quote from: 427hunter on August 25, 2022, 11:55:23 AM
............vin switches are illegal.
As a "Re-Body" vehicle, technically, legality wise, it is an illicit example of a vehicle by law; worth at most as that of a Shelby clone and or the sum of it's parts; at worst it gets confiscated by the Government and crushed with at best without compensation, and at worst addition legal fees, fines and though unlikely even the potential for period of incarceration! :o
Scott.
Quote from: 68cobra427 on August 25, 2022, 11:12:52 AM
Shelby tag was installed after all 4 inner aprons was replaced without stamping
I'm betting the "donor vehicle" was potentially not procured entirely through legal means if all 4 inner fender panels were then replaced on what should have been a rust free Arizona car. The only legit item on the car is what was transferred over, not including the Shelby VIN tag. I'd say the car is worth more for the original Shelby parts themselves, I'd pull those and scrap the rest, hang the Shelby tag on a wall, or in a frame, strictly for posterity/nostalgia only.
I'd immediately contact the 68 SAAC registrar and give them the pertinent information so no one else, less than knowledgeable, gets stuck with it.
Bill
Applying the VIN from one vehicle to another is illegal. Changing a VIN to misrepresent the "true identity" of a vehicle is illegal. Removing a VIN plate for repair or restoration, and re-installing it on the vehicle it was removed from, is legal in some states. Modifying a vehicle (i.e. replacing the body) can be done legally in some states. It can require special inspection, application of a state issued VIN, and issuance of a new title with the new VIN. It doesn't sound like that was done wth the car in question.
Why can't a person at worst get a state issued ID plate for the car? Also it seems to me a rust free 68 Convertible shell is worth more for donor parts that a trip to the scrap yard....Build the car up as a resto mod. Use modern parts. Put in a Coyote engine. Sell the Shelby parts if you don't want a "clone" and use that money to help offset the build cost. While we talk about rebodied cars being illegal and such how many rebodied Shelbys-especially 65-66s- are running around these days?
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 25, 2022, 03:45:47 PM
While we talk about rebodied cars being illegal and such how many rebodied Shelbys-especially 65-66s- are running around these days?
Just because "everyone else" is speeding, doesn't nullify your 10 M.P.H. over the posted limit citation! ::)
And a couple of MECUM (Orlando) auctions ago didn't a "re-bodied" '65-'66 Shelby get pulled from the auction? I believe the reason stated was "paper-work" issues"? :-\
Scott.
Probably best not to even ask questions like that. We all know it is worth less. What someone does in private is what it is. I personally do not see anything really wrong is you have destroyed the MUSTANG numbers...Got in your possession all the original numbers for the Shelby....added them to the car with NO numbers. Enjoy the car. You DIE, the car is sold, because the wife never liked the car anyway, the next idiot goes around bragging how he got a car so cheap from the wife who did not care.
I came across a 65 Shelby and I do not know the number, that was a re-body. I asked the seller who disclosed it to me in his opening description, "do you know where the Shelby body is?" he said no.....He also produced a SAAC letter that basically OKed that car as a real 65 Shelby, I said, "OK thank you, goodnight"
This is my opinion, which means NOTHING, and is most likely WRONG! So do not pay attention.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 25, 2022, 03:45:47 PMWhy can't a person at worst get a state issued ID plate for the car?
He'll need to provide proof of where the now un-numbered shell came from.
As Alex and Scott said: IT IS ILLEGAL. Swapping a VIN and re-attaching onto another vehicle is a violation of federal law. Word to the wise: Part it out. The Shelby and Ford VINs are now dead and destroyed. That IS the proper, moral and legal thing to do.
To bad it is 1 of 14 produced in color/trans combo.
I feel the best option is to part it out. Hope the old man feels the same.
Don't worry, it'll reappear in the future, perhaps it'll need to pass through a few owners, but then without any comment of being a 're-body'...........count on it! :o
Scott.
Rise Lazarus..... rise!
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 25, 2022, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 25, 2022, 03:45:47 PMWhy can't a person at worst get a state issued ID plate for the car?
He'll need to provide proof of where the now un-numbered shell came from.
While that would be what I would expect lets bring up the Texas situation when the owner of that "Eleanor" shop got busted. Didn't all those doctored with vin cars get sold at auction in various states of completion with state issued IDs? That is what made me think of that. The smart thing would have been to keep the 68 Mustang dash vin and apron vins when converting the donor car and use that to get a state issued ID on the "finished" product. There are cars running around that have been clipped. About 35 years ago I looked at a sun baked Az 428 CJ Mach1. It didn't have the BB towers in it. I was able to do a pencil trace of the DS fender apron. 9F01Fxxxxx. 69 Coupe. Further inspection I saw the weld graphs where they grafted that coupe front end on the CJ car. I always wondered how legal that car was. Since it had the R-code dash vin was that good enough? In Calif it would be NO. If they pulled the fenders back or did a trace like I did they would then run the numbers and issue a state ID after destroying those factory numbers on the car. IIRC that had happened to at least 1 70 Boss 302 on the B2 forum because some NJ cars started their apron vins with a 1,3 or 4 IIRC. .
This car in the future will turn up some day as the real thing,
the real thing is gone forever. The tag should be removed and sent to the 68 registrars
for safe keeping and the car titled as 68 mustang using the title from that car if there is one,
or have a state issued new VIN assigned to it. Build your clone and represent it as such and enjoy.
As far as value its whatever the buyer wants to pay.