The 2011 registry notes 35 production cars and an additional 4 dealer installed cars had a Paxton Supercharger (all GT350's; VIN breakdown on page 37). Later it notes SA invoices show 28 cars were equipped from the factory with them (page 791).
After the registry was published a SAAC forum member and owner of a '67 Paxton equipped car posted a detailed breakdown of 35 the production cars (I don't recall who that was). He noted;
1 Factory Test car 210F (only known automatic); #0121
4 Factory Installed cars 200F; #0145, 2148, 2213, & 2309
27 Factory Production Order cars 200F; #0390, 0391, 0392, 0399, 0827, 1036, 1039, 1071, 1072, 1075, 1477, 1662, 1664, 1669, 1677, 1692, 1694, 1696, 1697, 1698, 1714, 2085, 2304, 2308, 2310, 2311, 2354
3 Unknown cars 200F; #0044 (FPO per registry), 0055 (no FPO, returned for installation per registry), 0077 (no FPO noted per registry)
Besides the 1 test car, I assumed 4 were factory installed at LAX, the 27 FPO were shipped in the trunk to be installed at the dealer, and the 3 unknown could go either way. The additional 4 cars (not listed above) would be dealer installed as an accessory at the time of sale or shortly afterwards. If anyone knows more information or other info contrary to what I've typed here please chime in.
Information on the Marti reports for Paxton equipped cars would come from Shelby American records, not from Ford. The number seems to have changed over the years. "KShane" noted 1 of 35 while #2085 noted 1 of 33 cars. I don't know when either of these reports were issued, but assume #2085 is the later report with updated info. Hopefully we can get some clarity on the numbers from some Paxton owners / forum members with Mart reports.
We're told Dave Mathews noted #2213 is no longer one of the Paxton equipped cars. That is likely based on the second invoice for the car as the first invoice was voided. #2309 and 1662 are two cars I've seen with an SA invoice showing a Paxton supercharger for $479.00. #2085 and #2354 are two more cars I've seen the window sticker noting the supercharger retailed for $549.00.
EDIT; I removed the line about FPO listed cars having the Paxton's shipped in the trunk. That was not an accurate assumption!
Rich,
You don't let any moss grow under your feet. That's why we love you. Great thread as usual.
Rich,
My records agree with yours with the following exceptions:
I have recorded two additional as "Original Owner - Dealer Installed": with the following notation: Dealer Installed per SAAC Registry not listed under known to receive superchargers. 01470 and 02331.
I also listed 1075 as Factory Production Order - Factory Engineering Car
I have both 0044 and 0055 listed as Factory Installed - Public Relations Show Car
I have 0077 listed as Factory Installed
Dennis
FWIW, registry states that 0145 had its supercharger removed before shipment to Dockery.
Quote from: A-Snake on June 01, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
FWIW, registry states that 0145 had its supercharger removed before shipment to Dockery.
Thanks A-Snake!
This is very interesting. If it was built as a factory Paxton car, I would guess that is why it was classified as such in the registry. The Paxton removal before shipment would also explain the lack of an invoice noting the option. This would explain why we see a lower number of invoices than the total built. Perhaps more cars had them removed for the same reasons / PR uses.
Quote from: gt350cs on June 01, 2018, 01:24:29 PM
Rich,
My records agree with yours with the following exceptions:
I have recorded two additional as "Original Owner - Dealer Installed": with the following notation: Dealer Installed per SAAC Registry not listed under known to receive superchargers. 01470 and 02331.
I also listed 1075 as Factory Production Order - Factory Engineering Car
I have both 0044 and 0055 listed as Factory Installed - Public Relations Show Car
I have 0077 listed as Factory Installed
Dennis
Excellent info, thanks Dennis.
#1470 and #2331 are noted along with two others as dealer added in the registry.
If #1075 is a Factory engineering car and has a Factory production order it seems my thought of the 27 FPO cars is not correct regarding dealer installed Paxtons. can anyone clear up what the FPO exactly means?
The registry footnotes agree with your notes on #0044 and #0055, but not on #0077.
#0077 footnote seems to indicate it was added by Tasca after receipt from SA.
Quote from: BGlover67 on June 01, 2018, 01:08:34 PM
Rich,
You don't let any moss grow under your feet. That's why we love you. Great thread as usual.
Thanks Brian. I'm
possessed, I'm mean obsessed.
;D
FPO or Factory Production Order was an internal W/O (work order) at Shelby American, and in this case, a list of GT350's were scheduled to have Paxton units installed before being shipped to a dealer. It seems FPO's did change internally, for instance if a std. non-Paxton GT350 was needed to fill an order, a car scheduled for a Paxton may have been cancelled and shipped to fill the dealers order for a non-Paxton car.
Thanks to George Schalk for sharing this Shelby American document copy.
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Note the document is dated May 12th and also the cars are listed as "finished" and "in-progress".
Interesting the #2213 was completed by SA on this same day, yet noted to not have the Paxton installed based on the second SA invoice.
It also indicates this group of cars was completed first, with the Paxton's added afterwards. (Not a Ford install) That's a bit of extra work for SA.
Brittany Blue appears to be the favored color for the Paxton additions with 15 of the 35 (or 33) built in that color, followed by 5 Candy Apple Red, then 5 4 Lime Gold.
Being that a '67 GT350 may have been ordered by SA to receive a Paxton, but later cancelled, does not make the car a "Factory Installed Paxton" car. To be considered a factory Paxton car, the car would need to have been invoiced to the dealer from SA with "Cobra Supercharger" itemized as one of the options. There certainly are some variables. The question is, how many '67 GT350's were invoiced from Shelby American to the selling dealer with the Paxton listed?
#2310 was invoiced to Tasca Ford Sales from Shelby American on 6-14-67 with the optional "Cobra Supercharger" for $479.00.
I knew of a lime one in the Seattle area, not sure if the sc was dealer or factory. the washer bag was relocated to the lower engine compartment on the side cowl panel by the heater. was an original car, but had been whacked in the rr and poorly repaired in vegas. as I recall the story. almost bought it for 9k back then. phred
2354 is invoiced, production order and window sticker with factory Paxton. And the only Acapulco Blue one!!!!
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Quote from: Sixx7shelby on June 01, 2018, 06:31:43 PM
2354 is invoiced, production order and window sticker with factory Paxton. And the only Acapulco Blue one!!!!
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/155-010618182816.jpeg)
Thanks for the update regarding your Paxton car...the last one built?
Damn the only "Acapulco Blue" Paxton car gets me every time! (My favorite '67 color)
Quote from: George Schalk on June 01, 2018, 04:00:19 PM
Being that a '67 GT350 may have been ordered by SA to receive a Paxton, but later cancelled, does not make the car a "Factory Installed Paxton" car. To be considered a factory Paxton car, the car would need to have been invoiced to the dealer from SA with "Cobra Supercharger" itemized as one of the options. There certainly are some variables. The question is, how many '67 GT350's were invoiced from Shelby American to the selling dealer with the Paxton listed?
#2310 was invoiced to Tasca Ford Sales from Shelby American on 6-14-67 with the optional "Cobra Supercharger" for $479.00.
Excellent point about SA Dealer invoices vs. Factory Production Orders that may have been cancelled.
The registry notes the number of factory invoices with the Paxton Supercharger" is 28 (pg 791). We also have to consider that at least one car, #0145, was built with a Paxton and later removed before shipment to the dealer. I didn't see that note with any other Paxton car. Of course it would not have that charge on the invoice.
The footnotes indicate most cars as having both factory installations and on the FPO with a "Cobra Supercharger" (or similar type of note on the FPO) The exceptions are the test car #0121, and #0055, #0077, #0145, #2148, #2213, and #2309.
EDIT: We now know #0145 was removed, #0055 was returned to have one installed, #2213 never had it installed, and #2309 has a separate invoice with just the Paxton on it.
I thought the (first and only) owner of #145 said he refused the Paxton in the trunk (and MagStars) to lower the purchase price.
#55 did have one, but I was not aware that it was "refused" and then added later, had not heard that for the last owner. (will have to ask him the next time I see him.)
Quote from: JD on June 01, 2018, 07:37:51 PM
I thought the (first and only) owner of #145 said he refused the Paxton in the trunk (and MagStars) to lower the purchase price.
#55 did have one, but I was not aware that it was "refused" and then added later, had not heard that for the last owner. (will have to ask him the next time I see him.)
JD,
Your reply seems to indicate they were not installed at SA. At least for these two cars (not on a FPO).
I'm just relaying the registry footnotes on the cars. If there's more info from the actual owners we'd all like to know more about them.
If #145 had the Paxton in the trunk, and was refused, it should not have the rad support opening for the air inlet, correct?
Anyone have a picture of the engine compartment to see?
Rich, just repeating what was told by the owner. Removed "from the trunk" may be the more correct terminology? I doubt they would remove an "installed and functioning" unit to sell a car - wouldn't it seem more likely to find/sell a car that didn't have one installed and functioning?
I have a photo of the car #145 during it's recent restoration that does not show a hole in the radiator core support for the Paxton air inlet - but I don't know if it was or was not replaced in the restoration.
Car #55, I just know the last owner said it had the supercharger when he got I from the first owner. My earlier post did not say it was removed from the trunk and later had one installed "... but I was not aware that it was "refused" and then added later, had not heard that for the last owner. (will have to ask him the next time I see him.) ..."
Quote from: JD on June 01, 2018, 11:26:07 PM
I have a photo of the car #145 during it's recent restoration that does not show a hole in the radiator core support for the Paxton air inlet - but I don't know if it was or was not replaced in the restoration.
JD, I don't believe you're correct I've seen the open hole on #145. I've asked the owner to send a photo of it.
JD / A-Snake,
Thanks for all the info. It will be interesting to hear what Woody has to say about #0145. Certainly if the car has the air inlet in the rad support it would support the registry notes "removed before getting shipped to Dockery". Dockery Ford was loaded with '67 Shelby's so removal at the Dealer does not make any sense. They also had a second Gray GT350 (#0140 also a 200F pkg) that appears to have been on the lot at the same time as #0145. A Dealer "Vehicle Invoice" should help to support either story with or without a Paxton as delivered to the dealer.
JD,
It seems I misunderstood you on #55. We're both saying the car was sold to the first owner with the Paxton installed. Nothing is mentioned about it being refused. The registry notes it was on consignment at Mel Burns Ford. They returned it to SA and then a Paxton was added. It was then shipped to Universal Motors and sold.
pictures of #1662 in 2016 at the Northeast-SAAC fall meet. Not 100% factory perfect but close. Very clean and very nice!
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-020618112848-1293274.jpeg)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-020618112848-13171868.jpeg)
Quote from: A-Snake on June 02, 2018, 10:31:36 AM
JD, I don't believe you're correct I've seen the open hole on #145. I've asked the owner to send a photo of it.
Quote from: Richstang on June 02, 2018, 11:25:14 AM
JD / A-Snake,
Thanks for all the info. It will be interesting to hear what Woody has to say about #0145. Certainly if the car has the air inlet in the rad support it would support the registry notes "removed before getting shipped to Dockery". Dockery Ford was loaded with '67 Shelby's so removal at the Dealer does not make any sense. They also had a second Gray GT350 (#0140 also a 200F pkg) that appears to have been on the lot at the same time as #0145. A Dealer "Vehicle Invoice" should help to support either story with or without a Paxton as delivered to the dealer.
JD,
It seems I misunderstood you on #55. We're both saying the car was sold to the first owner with the Paxton installed. Nothing is mentioned about it being refused. The registry notes it was on consignment at Mel Burns Ford. They returned it to SA and then a Paxton was added. It was then shipped to Universal Motors and sold.
OK, to both of you, thanks. Woody's a great guy and is always very upfront on things.
Hello Everyone,
Does anyone know if one of the red cars was in Denver back in the summer of 1979? When I first started looking for a '67 GT500 we went and looked at Phil Cronkite Auto Sales down in Denver. They had a red '67 GT350 on the lot that had a Paxton on it. They claimed the Paxton was original to the car. The car also had an "R-Model" type lower front valence and LeMans stripes. Just curious as to what happened to that car...........
Thanks,
Eric
Eric,
Looking at the factory and dealer installed red cars, nothing in their history shows Colorado.
Perhaps one of the other painted colors of Paxton cars was repainted by that time or it was an owner added accessory.
Rich
I have never seen the R model valance for a '67.
I assume aftermarket?
Quote from: 67411F--0100-ENG. on June 02, 2018, 06:28:22 PM
Hello Everyone,
Does anyone know if one of the red cars was in Denver back in the summer of 1979? When I first started looking for a '67 GT500 we went and looked at Phil Cronkite Auto Sales down in Denver. They had a red '67 GT350 on the lot that had a Paxton on it. They claimed the Paxton was original to the car. The car also had an "R-Model" type lower front valence and LeMans stripes. Just curious as to what happened to that car...........
Thanks,
Eric
What's a '67 "R" model valence? If you take off the front bumper, essentially you have one.
This Woody or #145. AS we all know I purchased this car in summer of 1967. Since Mr Dockery had used the car, it did not have a window sticker. (Side Note: I ran into Mr Dockery at AMIELA IS cONCOURS several years ago. I explained that I had purchases #145 and was more than pleased. He told me that for any reason I was not happy with my Shelby he would give me a full refund.) I will get some pictures this week and post. I have just had my original motor,(block,heads,crank,cam)(motor has 161,000 on it) rebuilt and a period correct Paxton installed. Since I also have a new 347 in the car I am not going to change out right now. If you read the current registry it shows that the car was not complete until Jan 6/1967, This was almost 3 weeks after cars with like ser no were finished also it did not ship out to Dockery for almost a month (other cars were shipped to Morristown throughout the month of Jan/67.
Quote from: shelbydoug on June 03, 2018, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: 67411F--0100-ENG. on June 02, 2018, 06:28:22 PM
Hello Everyone,
Does anyone know if one of the red cars was in Denver back in the summer of 1979? When I first started looking for a '67 GT500 we went and looked at Phil Cronkite Auto Sales down in Denver. They had a red '67 GT350 on the lot that had a Paxton on it. They claimed the Paxton was original to the car. The car also had an "R-Model" type lower front valence and LeMans stripes. Just curious as to what happened to that car...........
Thanks,
Eric
What's a '67 "R" model valence? If you take off the front bumper, essentially you have one.
Hello Doug,
I used that term to loosely describe the mods that I seem to remember had been done to the nose section. Remember, I have not seen that car in 39 years. If I recall correctly, the front bumper had been removed and the bumper bracket holes had been glassed over, the lower grill opening may have been enlarged, and a chin spoiler had been added.
Thanks,
Eric
Quote from: woody on June 03, 2018, 06:48:28 PM
This Woody or #145. AS we all know I purchased this car in summer of 1967. Since Mr Dockery had used the car, it did not have a window sticker. (Side Note: I ran into Mr Dockery at AMIELA IS cONCOURS several years ago. I explained that I had purchases #145 and was more than pleased. He told me that for any reason I was not happy with my Shelby he would give me a full refund.) I will get some pictures this week and post. I have just had my original motor,(block,heads,crank,cam)(motor has 161,000 on it) rebuilt and a period correct Paxton installed. Since I also have a new 347 in the car I am not going to change out right now. If you read the current registry it shows that the car was not complete until Jan 6/1967, This was almost 3 weeks after cars with like ser no were finished also it did not ship out to Dockery for almost a month (other cars were shipped to Morristown throughout the month of Jan/67.
Hey Woody,
Thanks for joining in the discussion about your '67 Gray #0145. So the question still stands on how you bought the car. Was the Paxton already installed and you asked for it to be removed to reduce the price, or was it boxed up in the trunk already removed, or boxed up in the trunk never installed? If you have a copy of the vehicle invoice to the dealer, does it show the Paxton option charge? I look forward to seeing your photos.
Your recent restoration back to stock is the first time I've ever seen a Medium Gray '67 without the lemans stripes.
Nicely done!
It looks there were about 93 of the 1967 Shelby's delivered to Dockery Ford, with about 49 of them GT350s. The other gray '67 they had (#0140), shipped out of LAX on 12/16/66. It probably was sold by August, when you bought yours, but might have been there when your car arrived.
Rich
Seeing the INTER_OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE May 12, 1967, I assume that there are others out there some place. Is that correct?
I was so happy to get my
I never saw any info about the missing Paxton until the mid 90's or why the car sat i LA for close to two months, but I just drove it home from the shop and with 171,200 miles it runs great. On next weeks Cobra tour I expect to put on over 1,500 miles to include a two day trip just to get to upstate New York.
shelby
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Photos from Woody showing the hole in the core support, his original engine and the supercharger produced by Studebaker;)
OK, they knocked-out the opening for the air conditioning hoses.
Quote from: JD on June 05, 2018, 10:27:36 AM
OK, they knocked-out the opening for the air conditioning hoses.
Yes. That is what the opening for the hoses routing to the condenser looks like on the air conditioned cars.
Woody,
Great to hear you've enjoyed your '67 with so many miles! you're helping to offset all the low mile, rarely used Shelby's out there.
Thanks for noting the car came without the Paxton. Good to know the registry is correct on the history.
A-Snake,
Thanks for posting the photo for Woody!
Quote from: A-Snake on June 05, 2018, 10:13:17 AM
the supercharger produced by Studebaker
About the only thing left of Studebaker at that time.
About the only thing left of Studebaker at that time.
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Don't forget STP! ;D
First known as "Scientifically Treated Petroleum", then post 1961(?) with Studebaker ownership and as Andy Granatelli appointed C.E.O. it became referred to as "Studebaker Tested Products" and/or "Studebaker Technical Products" 8)
Scott.