Trying to figure out where these headlight wiring retainers attach, see attached pictures. I know the small retainer is correct as one each were on the original Wiring pigtail but I found one of these long retainers and am wondering if it's correct and if there is one on each side and where do all of them attach? I'm not seeing anything in the Shelby specific parts addendum or the Mustang Assembly manuals from Osborn. Any and all pictures appreciated. If the long retainer is correct any suggestion as to who has them would be appreciated , I've looked at NPD, CJP and Dead Nuts On with no luck.
Thank you.
That wiring harness must have came from a regular 4 headlight system 69 mustang as they are in correct locations. 69 shelby has its own wiring and an early late type as the early had the high beam wire cutoff and grey duct tape covering the cutoffs then later for went to the new 70 mustang single headlight wire . All mustang use 2 headlight system except 67 shelby and 69 mustang and cougars.
Those long "J hook" retainers are typically mounted on one of the front side marker light bezel studs, on the inside of the front valance panel, on regular '69 Mustang production. Not sure if they were used on the Shelby's valance marker lights since a whole new front valance was installed for those cars.
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Quote from: shelbymann1970 on March 27, 2022, 01:43:30 PM
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Yep. I'm not at the shop to take a picture of the one I have. Did they end up being used on the Shelby's?
Thanks guys, any pictures of where they both mount on a Shelby will be appreciated. Special Ed, these are new pigtails but in looking at the originals they were just the standard 69 2 light 4 wires with the high beam wires cut off and wrapped with the black tape. I just want to make sure I put them in the right place and I am missing one of the long ones and am trying to find one, I have found one at NPD, Dead Nuts or CJP. Any suggestions would be helpful.
Quote from: 430dragpack on March 27, 2022, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on March 27, 2022, 01:43:30 PM
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Yep. I'm not at the shop to take a picture of the one I have. Did they end up being used on the Shelby's?
My car never had them as far as I know. The way my harness is clipped into my Shelby specific metal fender brace there is no reason to use that other clip. the round black clip is so close to the side marker it appears there is no reason to use the valance style clips like in my above post. .
Quote from: 430dragpack on March 27, 2022, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on March 27, 2022, 01:43:30 PM
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Yep. I'm not at the shop to take a picture of the one I have. Did they end up being used on the Shelby's?
Not typically.
Are those round clips availible ?
Quote from: Shelbypat on March 27, 2022, 09:19:08 PM
Are those round clips availible ?
The ones in reply 6 were not typically used ether.
I got the round clips in a set of attachment hardware but NPD has the individual round ones part # #382930-SA
They also have the one I've been looking for that I couldn't find until I looked for the round one parts # 382239-S
shelbymann1970 is that long clip in your second picture the same as the long clip in my picture and on your picture of the 70 Mustang? I can't see from your second picture where that long clip bolts up to?
Thanks
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 27, 2022, 10:13:17 PM
Quote from: Shelbypat on March 27, 2022, 09:19:08 PM
Are those round clips availible ?
The ones in reply 6 were not typically used ether.
So Bob, what clips were used then? There is a hole in those metal buckets for a clip. When using the clip you are a few inches from the side light housing which makes it a natural for holding the wiring. I thought I used what was on my car but don't remember from 26 years ago. Thanks.
Quote from: SChatman on March 27, 2022, 10:16:28 PM
I got the round clips in a set of attachment hardware but NPD has the individual round ones part # #382930-SA
They also have the one I've been looking for that I couldn't find until I looked for the round one parts # 382239-S
shelbymann1970 is that long clip in your second picture the same as the long clip in my picture and on your picture of the 70 Mustang? I can't see from your second picture where that long clip bolts up to?
Thanks
Reply #3 is the long clip(Deadnuts on sells them for 20 I think) was mounted to an 69 Mustang valance and shown below in the pic. I made up a couple out of metal and can't tell the difference and used them on my 69 Mach1(I like the challenge of fabrication at times). In my reply #6 those round clips are what I thought were correct but Bob says they are not. I asked 1 guy to look at his car and let me know what is on it. A friend bought Colin Comer's GT350 red vert and I asked him to send me some pics of his clips.
BTW these clips below at one time during 69 San Jose production were not used on Mustangs and they used white zip ties instead. Gary
neither of the clips were used at aosmith when 69 shelby front was installed even thou they should have used the small round one would have helped keep wire in place but they didnt. I have heard of judges recently deducting points for not installing these on 69 70 shelbys but they must be confused with the regular 69 mustangs that did use them. Aosmith never had these 69 mustang wireing clips in inventory but they should have been used to hold that long side marker light wire in place but if u want to be concours correct they shouldnot be installed.
So they designed a part with a hole for a clip and never used the clip. Makes sense for the times. Quality wasn't job 1. LOL
BTW I never liked the way this style clip worked on a 69 regular Mustang.
thats why it was originally designed for 68 park lamp wireing and other applicatios
Quote from: Special Ed on March 28, 2022, 07:42:14 PM
thats why it was originally designed for 68 park lamp wireing and other applicatios
Aren't some of the 68 clips white instead of black? I think I have some that are white.
Many of the 69 Shelby park lights came with a clip attached to the wire however it would not reach the hole in the galvanized splash shield bracket. Picture of park light is to show clip position only .Disregard incorrect background details.
So. Originaly the clip is not attach..
Am I right ?
Pattick
Quote from: Shelbypat on March 28, 2022, 08:15:32 PM
So. Originaly the clip is not attach..
Am I right ?
Pattick
Correct .
Quote from: 430dragpack on March 28, 2022, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: Special Ed on March 28, 2022, 07:42:14 PM
thats why it was originally designed for 68 park lamp wireing and other applicatios
Aren't some of the 68 clips white instead of black? I think I have some that are white.
yes. 68 and 69 white https://www.scottfullerreproductions.com/catalog/item/4595229/7963105.htm
68 and 69 black. https://www.scottfullerreproductions.com/catalog/item/4595229/7851113.htm
Here is Colin Comer's old GT350 red vert car. Some one added clips to it.
lots wrong in that photo gary u need photos of unrestored cars to document these details. the wrong 69 shelby white wire holders show up on nj cars 69 and 70 mustangs dearborn but not 69 shelbys.
Quote from: Special Ed on March 29, 2022, 09:32:33 AM
lots wrong in that photo gary u need photos of unrestored cars to document these details. the wrong 69 shelby white wire holders show up on nj cars 69 and 70 mustangs dearborn but not 69 shelbys.
Maybe I should have been clearer on my post. I'm not saying this is right as I always believe what you say Ed on this and Bob. I'm just showing in that a car that is perceived to be one of the best had those NJ white clips on it. As you said judges were knocking down cars for not having clips. I guess me putting clips on my car I'm guilty like others having them. I don't recall how I came to that conclusion to use those black round clips on my car as I would have to dig through a lot of papers to find what I noted during my teardown of my car 26 years ago. Probably nothing but thought it needed clips to keep the wiring in place. Any assy manuals call out clips?