5R002 heading to Auction. Question: Being an "R" Model, every one I have seen did not have a Rear Bumper SO, would you keep or remove the Rear Bumper?
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/car-week-flying-mustang-driven-130000022.html
It runs in my mind the 5R002 always had its rear bumper, painted white. with the blue stripe over the white. Experts will know for sure.
+1.
In fact, Brock in doing his "continuation R model" at some point commented that it was his intention to keep the rear bumper, but was over ruled.
From my files, my note says this is 5R002 at Willow Springs, January '65.
Was the "R" bumper fiberglass or just painted steel. I can see them building a light one and them just saying leave it off if the rules didn't require it.
Now for the real question - more or less $$$$$?
Shelby market watchers will recall that this car hammered at $3.5 million ($3.85 million including buyer's commission) when it was auctioned by Mecum in July 2020, and remarkably, it's on the ramp again looking for a new owner.
The real question is was that a "real" sale?
Yet another reason not to use auction prices as a guide unless the whole story is known.
I trust some of these circuses about as much as PT Barnum.
Quote from: Tired Sheep on January 04, 2022, 05:37:05 PM
The real question is was that a "real" sale?
Yet another reason not to use auction prices as a guide unless the whole story is known.
I trust some of these circuses about as much as PT Barnum.
It was a real sale. Over the last year and a half, I cannot tell you how many times I have had to correct people who have claimed or implied that 5R002's last sale was some sort of fake sale. As to the reason why people believe the sale was fake...I can't figure it out other than the fact that the buyer has chosen to remain anonymous. To me, it isn't so difficult to understand why someone who buys a car for that sort of $ would want to remain coy about the purchase...but I guess it's tough to digest for people who think they deserve to be in another guy's business. That comment isn't directed at Tired Sheep specifically (I hear he is a pretty cool dude)...but this "fake sale" rumor has just gone on for so long that I felt compelled to respond here.
The car has been in the state of Texas with its owner for the last few years. He bought it because of a deep personal, family connection to Carroll Shelby. He's not a guy who has a large collection of Shelbys or who is known to have any interest in Shelby related cars in general....but he chose to purchase that car. Since he has not identified himself publicly, it would probably be in poor taste for me to speak any further on it but, rest assured, the sale was real.
Suffice to say, every other car sold as part of the JA sale was sold to verified buyers.
Kind regards,
Vern
Thanks for that clarification
I had no knowledge, but I think we can certainly agree, these auctions are not always as they seem
Quote from: Tired Sheep on January 04, 2022, 06:32:39 PM
Thanks for that clarification
I had no knowledge, but I think we can certainly agree, these auctions are not always as they seem
Agreed completely...even when sales are "real"...they are can be highly influenced/manipulated for a desired outcome in many different ways.
Kind regards,
Vern
I fear I have fallen into the trap
We often assume because we would or would not do something, that's what others would do.
"I wouldn't sell that car, if I had paid that money for it"
Quote from: honker on January 04, 2022, 09:40:17 AM
From my files, my note says this is 5R002 at Willow Springs, January '65.
Thanks.
Quote from: Tired Sheep on January 05, 2022, 12:12:55 AM
I fear I have fallen into the trap
We often assume because we would or would not do something, that's what others would do.
"I wouldn't sell that car, if I had paid that money for it"
It depends on your perspective. If $3.5 million is your prime capital, I think there are better investments out there?
If it's funny money, then that's a different thing.
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 05, 2022, 04:45:28 PM
Quote from: honker on January 04, 2022, 09:40:17 AM
From my files, my note says this is 5R002 at Willow Springs, January '65.
Thanks.
Close to the exit of pit lane - https://www.google.com/maps/place/34%C2%B052'18.7%22N+118%C2%B015'52.5%22W/@34.87186,-118.265803,393m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x80c23fb1d97339db:0x52152abc9fad7cd9!2sPit+Ln,+Rosamond,+CA+93560!3b1!8m2!3d34.8718898!4d-118.2646206!3m5!1s0x0:0x18bb4614d8641f83!7e2!8m2!3d34.87186!4d-118.2645866?hl=en
Another shot - earlier - flares not painted and hoop scoop reversed.
98SVT, what a great shot ! thanks for posting, depending on whose behind the wheel, he's really pushing, 11/10ths 8)
Mike
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=17178.0 (http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=17178.0)
What's interesting about the number 3 on the side in that pic is that SFM5003 was written on the cowl and the car was serialized as SFM5R002. What became SFM5S003 had SFM5001 written on the cowl and the car that became 5R001 most likely had SFM5002 written on it's cowl...
Quote from: CharlesTurner on January 05, 2022, 10:01:28 PM
What's interesting about the number 3 on the side in that pic is that SFM5003 was written on the cowl and the car was serialized as SFM5R002. What became SFM5S003 had SFM5001 written on the cowl and the car that became 5R001 most likely had SFM5002 written on it's cowl...
Reminds me of Abbott and Costello who's on first skit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZksQd2fC6Y
Does anyone have a clear picture of the corner marker signs shown in the picture in reply #12? Been searching and can't seem to find anything on it.
Thanks
Real sale or whatever it certainly went into the wrong hands if it's for sale now....
Quote from: CharlesTurner on January 05, 2022, 10:01:28 PM
What's interesting about the number 3 on the side in that pic is that SFM5003 was written on the cowl and the car was serialized as SFM5R002. What became SFM5S003 had SFM5001 written on the cowl and the car that became 5R001 most likely had SFM5002 written on it's cowl...
My understanding is job 001 was the street car SMF5S003 and 1st done - job 002 was the R development car SFM5R002 and - job 003 became SFM5R001 the most raced car and championship winner when the tags were finally applied - sometime toward the mid-end of production at least after putting the S & R on the tags became common.
In one of the old Marques the whole mess was sorted out.
The significance of the GT350R - https://youtu.be/afy3JekCCWM (https://youtu.be/afy3JekCCWM)
Peter Brock's and John Atzbach's interview really share the historical significance of 002.
If I had the chance, on a cool moonlit Autumn night, I would perform a séance in that car, hoping to hear the voice of Ken Miles singing for one last time: "I'm H-A-P-P-Y. I'm H-A-P-P-Y. I know I am. I know I am. I'm H-A-P-P-Y..."