Just incase anyone is interested...........
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2022-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500kr-143800138.html
Shelby American will be reviving the legendary Mustang Shelby GT500KR. Based on the 2022 GT500 and assembled at Shelby's Las Vegas facility, it'll be offered in extremely limited numbers. With upgraded suspension, a bunch of carbon fiber, and a claimed 900-plus horsepower, it should be the most capable Shelby-badged Mustang ever offered.
KR, in case you're wondering, stands for "King of the Road." Cars wearing the KR nameplate are meant to be the very best of their kind, with every performance part available included to make them as extreme as possible. As the name suggests, it's a sort of apex predator for the streets. Shelby has only offered KR-badged Mustangs twice in the past. The first was in 1968, and then again in 2008.
Judging by the upgrades available on this latest GT500KR, we'd say it lives up to the name. Shelby is able to squeeze an extra 140 hp from the GT500's 5.2-liter V-8 thanks to a new supercharger, bigger heat exchangers, a cold-air intake system, and a Borla exhaust. Suspension-wise, there are stiffer springs, new Ford Performance sway bars, and adjustable camber plates. The MagneRide system has also been recalibrated.
Those wheels are Shelby originals measuring 20 inches in diameter, and come wrapped in high-performance summer tires. Other changes to the exterior include a carbon fiber hood with extra venting, a carbon splitter, a carbon diffuser, and a carbon gurney flap. There's also Shelby-specific striping and badges. You'll be able to option a widebody kit too, but Shelby hasn't released any details or pictures of such an upgrade just yet.
Shelby American plans to build just 225 examples of the GT500KR starting in the first quarter of 2022, with the first set to be auctioned off for charity with Barrett-Jackson. Pricing for the whole car starts at $127,895, though if you already have a GT500, you can send it to Shelby to get KR-ified for $54,995.
Very kool !
Isn't that going to be a sub 9 second car and it will require a cage?
Sub 9s that's Tesla territory..... ;)
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 16, 2021, 07:17:04 PM
Isn't that going to be a sub 9 second car and it will require a cage?
Tesla Plaid has AWD. Hard to imagine the KR pulling those kind of numbers.
I'd guess 10.4-ish, with around 135 mph in trap speed...on street tires...on a good-grip track day.
With slicks...0.5-sec quicker?
Randy?
According to the Winter 2022 Shelby American, the fastest 1/4 time run at the last convention was a 2020 GT500.
It ran 10.13 @ 142 mph. It was a "regular GT500".
The article goes on to state that according to NHRA rules because of it's time, it and the driver were in violation of five.
"1) no NHRA Competition License
2) no roll cage
3) no full fire suit
4) lack of various safety shields
5) no drag parachute"
Now my thought is that since the new KR is being billed as the "top of the hill" so to speak, that it will be at least as fast as this GT500?
It also raises the question to me, that IF this is all accurate, is Shelby American offering a car that does not qualify to run on an NHRA sanctioned track?
Tesla Plaid with the AWD is unreal on the street. Won't go up in smoke like the Shelby would. Unbelievable smooth acceleration even with the stock tires. Sign of the times I guess. I'd still take the Shelby even though it would be slower. 8)
Same price as a Tesla to. "Think" NHRA is goin to make a rule change to 9.0s @150 mph. Wonder if the Shelby is goin to be an automatic ?
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 17, 2021, 08:44:24 AM
According to the Winter 2022 Shelby American, the fastest 1/4 time run at the last convention was a 2020 GT500.
It ran 10.13 @ 142 mph. It was a "regular GT500".
The article goes on to state that according to NHRA rules because of it's time, it and the driver were in violation of five.
1) no NHRA Competition License
2) no roll cage
3) no full fire suit
4) lack of various safety shields
5) no drag parachute"
Now my thought is that since the new KR is being billed as the "top of the hill" so to speak, that it will be at least as fast as this GT500?
It also raises the question to me, that IF this is all accurate, is Shelby American offering a car that does not qualify to run on an NHRA sanctioned track?
Maybe they'll just re-use the Demon ad, "Sorry, not sorry"? 8) ::) ???
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 17, 2021, 08:44:24 AM
According to the Winter 2022 Shelby American, the fastest 1/4 time run at the last convention was a 2020 GT500.
It ran 10.13 @ 142 mph. It was a "regular GT500".
The article goes on to state that according to NHRA rules because of it's time, it and the driver were in violation of five.
"1) no NHRA Competition License
2) no roll cage
3) no full fire suit
4) lack of various safety shields
5) no drag parachute"
Now my thought is that since the new KR is being billed as the "top of the hill" so to speak, that it will be at least as fast as this GT500?
It also raises the question to me, that IF this is all accurate, is Shelby American offering a car that does not qualify to run on an NHRA sanctioned track?
Doug:
Was that run with tires other than stock?
2 WD 4 WD slicks no slicks TESLATICLEs still below 9s
A Tesla Model S Plaid becomes first to hit 8-second quarter-mile - Electrek
https://electrek.co/2021/11/26/tesla-model-s-plaid-becomes-first-hit-8-second-quarter-mile/
Modified Tesla Model S Plaid Records Sub 9-Second 1/4 Mile Time
https://insideevs.com/news/546552/modified-tesla-plaid-sub-9sec/
Quote from: Side-Oilers on December 17, 2021, 01:54:55 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 17, 2021, 08:44:24 AM
According to the Winter 2022 Shelby American, the fastest 1/4 time run at the last convention was a 2020 GT500.
It ran 10.13 @ 142 mph. It was a "regular GT500".
The article goes on to state that according to NHRA rules because of it's time, it and the driver were in violation of five.
"1) no NHRA Competition License
2) no roll cage
3) no full fire suit
4) lack of various safety shields
5) no drag parachute"
Now my thought is that since the new KR is being billed as the "top of the hill" so to speak, that it will be at least as fast as this GT500?
It also raises the question to me, that IF this is all accurate, is Shelby American offering a car that does not qualify to run on an NHRA sanctioned track?
Doug:
Was that run with tires other than stock?
I wasn't there. I am referring to the Convention coverage article by Kopec in the Winter 2022 Shelby American. As far as I know, the event was run by Randy. Likely that documentation is from him and given to Rick?
I would presume that he would know the answer to your question and could answer or clear up any inaccuracies about it?
It sounds crazy fast for a pure street car but that was my understanding correctly or not.
My 1/4 mile guesstimate is for a car in pure stock trim, on a non-prepared track surface.
I agree with vtgt500 that 900 hp will be a handful. Even on slicks and a prepped track.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on December 16, 2021, 07:59:54 PM
Tesla Plaid has AWD. Hard to imagine the KR pulling those kind of numbers.
I'd guess 10.4-ish, with around 135 mph in trap speed...on street tires...on a good-grip track day.
With slicks...0.5-sec quicker?
Randy?
2012 ZL-1 Camaro. My friend-who now works in prototype vehicle development at Ford in Dearborn was putting brand new Camaros into the 9s. 1st to do it and I believe the package was around 15 grand for these numbers at Livernois Engineering in Dearborn hts. 2012. I'd post the video of my friend Rick turning 9.80s but it is now unavailable on youtube at this moment. He was their test pilot there. https://www.torquenews.com/106/livernois-motorsports-builds-first-2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-9-second-club
From the above link. (But I'm still referring to totally stock cars.)
"Livernois is offering the full package installed and tuned for just $14,800. This package includes items like high flow cylinder heads, a high lift camshaft, a unique heat exchanger, an upgraded fuel system, long tube headers, a larger throttle body, an upgraded supercharger pulley and a dyno tune at the Livernois facility to ensure that all of those high performance parts are making as much power as possible."
"This package increases the power output from 476 rear wheel horsepower (580 horsepower at the crankshaft) and 476 rear wheel torque (556lb-ft of torque at the crankshaft) to a whopping 707 horsepower and 680lb-ft of torque at the rear wheels...enough to rocket this 4,295 pound muscle car into the high 9 second range in the quarter mile."
Quote from: Side-Oilers on December 20, 2021, 03:16:35 PM
From the above link. (But I'm still referring to totally stock cars.)
"Livernois is offering the full package installed and tuned for just $14,800. This package includes items like high flow cylinder heads, a high lift camshaft, a unique heat exchanger, an upgraded fuel system, long tube headers, a larger throttle body, an upgraded supercharger pulley and a dyno tune at the Livernois facility to ensure that all of those high performance parts are making as much power as possible."
"This package increases the power output from 476 rear wheel horsepower (580 horsepower at the crankshaft) and 476 rear wheel torque (556lb-ft of torque at the crankshaft) to a whopping 707 horsepower and 680lb-ft of torque at the rear wheels...enough to rocket this 4,295 pound muscle car into the high 9 second range in the quarter mile."
So are you saying a SAI GT500KR is considered a totally stock car? SAI doing a KR or Livernois doing a Package of their own put both of those cars to be not as "as assy line" delivered so neither are "stock". Reminds me of Shelbys in the 60s or Yenko Chevies or Royal Bobcat Pontiacs.
That is a valid point.
My only question was: Is the car that ran at the SAAC convention on street tires or not?
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 20, 2021, 03:08:10 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on December 16, 2021, 07:59:54 PM
Tesla Plaid has AWD. Hard to imagine the KR pulling those kind of numbers.
I'd guess 10.4-ish, with around 135 mph in trap speed...on street tires...on a good-grip track day.
With slicks...0.5-sec quicker?
Randy?
2012 ZL-1 Camaro. My friend-who now works in prototype vehicle development at Ford in Dearborn was putting brand new Camaros into the 9s. 1st to do it and I believe the package was around 15 grand for these numbers at Livernois Engineering in Dearborn hts. 2012. I'd post the video of my friend Rick turning 9.80s but it is now unavailable on youtube at this moment. He was their test pilot there. https://www.torquenews.com/106/livernois-motorsports-builds-first-2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-9-second-club
A car that ugly better be fast.
Dalton Winkler was into the 8s last year with his Shelby. He didn't say if it was stock or not.
At least the Shelby is semi-attractive, but if I lay on the ground and have the same perspective as the picture of the blue car in the press release, it does look good.
Interview with Gary Patterson, CEO of Shelby American, about the car. Note that it is in development and prototype yet to be built for testing:
https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a38556527/shelby-american-900-plus-hp-gt500kr/?fbclid=IwAR056UbZjX2W2LNQch-cDwAWv5EKM7TgdC6CxHYUcAoBnZ7_ZuWCWKhduVQ
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Quote from: shelbydoug on December 20, 2021, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 20, 2021, 03:08:10 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on December 16, 2021, 07:59:54 PM
Tesla Plaid has AWD. Hard to imagine the KR pulling those kind of numbers.
I'd guess 10.4-ish, with around 135 mph in trap speed...on street tires...on a good-grip track day.
With slicks...0.5-sec quicker?
Randy?
2012 ZL-1 Camaro. My friend-who now works in prototype vehicle development at Ford in Dearborn was putting brand new Camaros into the 9s. 1st to do it and I believe the package was around 15 grand for these numbers at Livernois Engineering in Dearborn hts. 2012. I'd post the video of my friend Rick turning 9.80s but it is now unavailable on youtube at this moment. He was their test pilot there. https://www.torquenews.com/106/livernois-motorsports-builds-first-2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-9-second-club
A car that ugly better be fast.
Dalton Winkler was into the 8s last year with his Shelby. He didn't say if it was stock or not.
At least the Shelby is semi-attractive, but if I lay on the ground and have the same perspective as the picture of the blue car in the press release, it does look good.
The Camaro is ugly? I guess I should expect your comment on a forum like this where most are 1 brand blue oval loyalists. No, the Mustang Mach E is ugly. A Prius is ugly. Honda Element is ugly. Camaro is not. But I understand your jaded comment.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 21, 2021, 05:20:56 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 20, 2021, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 20, 2021, 03:08:10 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on December 16, 2021, 07:59:54 PM
Tesla Plaid has AWD. Hard to imagine the KR pulling those kind of numbers.
I'd guess 10.4-ish, with around 135 mph in trap speed...on street tires...on a good-grip track day.
With slicks...0.5-sec quicker?
Randy?
2012 ZL-1 Camaro. My friend-who now works in prototype vehicle development at Ford in Dearborn was putting brand new Camaros into the 9s. 1st to do it and I believe the package was around 15 grand for these numbers at Livernois Engineering in Dearborn hts. 2012. I'd post the video of my friend Rick turning 9.80s but it is now unavailable on youtube at this moment. He was their test pilot there. https://www.torquenews.com/106/livernois-motorsports-builds-first-2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-9-second-club
A car that ugly better be fast.
Dalton Winkler was into the 8s last year with his Shelby. He didn't say if it was stock or not.
At least the Shelby is semi-attractive, but if I lay on the ground and have the same perspective as the picture of the blue car in the press release, it does look good.
The Camaro is ugly? I guess I should expect your comment on a forum like this where most are 1 brand blue oval loyalists. No, the Mustang Mach E is ugly. A Prius is ugly. Honda Element is ugly. Camaro is not. But I understand your jaded comment.
I agree, they ALL are ugly. You won't find me with ANY of them.
There is definitely a school of design here. It isn't necessarily any one manufacturer specifically. It's just the era we are in. The new Corvette is like an alien Rorschach test.
Hey. I'm the buyer. I don't have to apologist to any of them. They need to convince me. That's how it works.
Does "Detroit" build what the customer wants or tell the customer what they want? Maybe YOU are brain washed because YOU are beholding to them? I'm not.
Like Ford's current attitude right now. At one time they came to SAAC and cuddled up because WE were influential. Now they could care less because WE are no longer their customer?
Ugly is as ugly does. "Ain't me babe, ain't me you're lookin' for babe!" ;)
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 21, 2021, 06:34:08 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 21, 2021, 05:20:56 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 20, 2021, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 20, 2021, 03:08:10 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on December 16, 2021, 07:59:54 PM
Tesla Plaid has AWD. Hard to imagine the KR pulling those kind of numbers.
I'd guess 10.4-ish, with around 135 mph in trap speed...on street tires...on a good-grip track day.
With slicks...0.5-sec quicker?
Randy?
2012 ZL-1 Camaro. My friend-who now works in prototype vehicle development at Ford in Dearborn was putting brand new Camaros into the 9s. 1st to do it and I believe the package was around 15 grand for these numbers at Livernois Engineering in Dearborn hts. 2012. I'd post the video of my friend Rick turning 9.80s but it is now unavailable on youtube at this moment. He was their test pilot there. https://www.torquenews.com/106/livernois-motorsports-builds-first-2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-9-second-club
A car that ugly better be fast.
Dalton Winkler was into the 8s last year with his Shelby. He didn't say if it was stock or not.
At least the Shelby is semi-attractive, but if I lay on the ground and have the same perspective as the picture of the blue car in the press release, it does look good.
The Camaro is ugly? I guess I should expect your comment on a forum like this where most are 1 brand blue oval loyalists. No, the Mustang Mach E is ugly. A Prius is ugly. Honda Element is ugly. Camaro is not. But I understand your jaded comment.
I agree, they ALL are ugly. You won't find me with ANY of them.
There is definitely a school of design here. It isn't necessarily any one manufacturer specifically. It's just the era we are in. The new Corvette is like an alien Rorschach test.
Hey. I'm the buyer. I don't have to apologist to any of them. They need to convince me. That's how it works.
Does "Detroit" build what the customer wants or tell the customer what they want? Maybe YOU are brain washed because YOU are beholding to them? I'm not.
Like Ford's current attitude right now. At one time they came to SAAC and cuddled up because WE were influential. Now they could care less because WE are no longer their customer?
Ugly is as ugly does. "Ain't me babe, ain't me you're lookin' for babe!" ;)
Brainwashed? LOL. Hardly. So if you think the latest Ford GT is good looking(you haven't said anything I'm aware of yet) and the new Corvette isn't then you might be brainwashed on Fords. LOL. I think the new Vette looks better than the Ford GT. I do like the 05-06 Ford GT better. I would have no problem buying a Z06 2023 Vette. Maybe Detroit followed Toyota's lead in that you can build the ugliest cars on earth and people will buy them(along with other Asian car makers to a degree). I have watched for years on how Toyota's bland and butt ugly cars sell well. Their Lexus full size SUV with all the gaudy enhancements over the Toyota counter part left me shaking my head on the lack of flow in the designs. It reminded me of Clark's station wagon in Vacation(extra tail lights on the rear door). The Prius tail lights on the latest as I thought they couldn't make that ugly car uglier but proceeded to do so. The large "Predator" grill openings for years on the Lexus. The Honda Element or the "Cube" by Scion. WOW. Or my favorite the JUKE!!! looks like an ugly bug with no flowing lines on the body but people still buy them. So when you call a Camaro "ugly" well no, those mentioned above are UGLY.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 21, 2021, 07:10:20 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 21, 2021, 06:34:08 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 21, 2021, 05:20:56 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 20, 2021, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 20, 2021, 03:08:10 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on December 16, 2021, 07:59:54 PM
Tesla Plaid has AWD. Hard to imagine the KR pulling those kind of numbers.
I'd guess 10.4-ish, with around 135 mph in trap speed...on street tires...on a good-grip track day.
With slicks...0.5-sec quicker?
Randy?
2012 ZL-1 Camaro. My friend-who now works in prototype vehicle development at Ford in Dearborn was putting brand new Camaros into the 9s. 1st to do it and I believe the package was around 15 grand for these numbers at Livernois Engineering in Dearborn hts. 2012. I'd post the video of my friend Rick turning 9.80s but it is now unavailable on youtube at this moment. He was their test pilot there. https://www.torquenews.com/106/livernois-motorsports-builds-first-2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-9-second-club
A car that ugly better be fast.
Dalton Winkler was into the 8s last year with his Shelby. He didn't say if it was stock or not.
At least the Shelby is semi-attractive, but if I lay on the ground and have the same perspective as the picture of the blue car in the press release, it does look good.
The Camaro is ugly? I guess I should expect your comment on a forum like this where most are 1 brand blue oval loyalists. No, the Mustang Mach E is ugly. A Prius is ugly. Honda Element is ugly. Camaro is not. But I understand your jaded comment.
I agree, they ALL are ugly. You won't find me with ANY of them.
There is definitely a school of design here. It isn't necessarily any one manufacturer specifically. It's just the era we are in. The new Corvette is like an alien Rorschach test.
Hey. I'm the buyer. I don't have to apologist to any of them. They need to convince me. That's how it works.
Does "Detroit" build what the customer wants or tell the customer what they want? Maybe YOU are brain washed because YOU are beholding to them? I'm not.
Like Ford's current attitude right now. At one time they came to SAAC and cuddled up because WE were influential. Now they could care less because WE are no longer their customer?
Ugly is as ugly does. "Ain't me babe, ain't me you're lookin' for babe!" ;)
Brainwashed? LOL. Hardly. So if you think the latest Ford GT is good looking(you haven't said anything I'm aware of yet) and the new Corvette isn't then you might be brainwashed on Fords. LOL. I think the new Vette looks better than the Ford GT. I do like the 05-06 Ford GT better. I would have no problem buying a Z06 2023 Vette. Maybe Detroit followed Toyota's lead in that you can build the ugliest cars on earth and people will buy them(along with other Asian car makers to a degree). I have watched for years on how Toyota's bland and butt ugly cars sell well. Their Lexus full size SUV with all the gaudy enhancements over the Toyota counter part left me shaking my head on the lack of flow in the designs. It reminded me of Clark's station wagon in Vacation(extra tail lights on the rear door). The Prius tail lights on the latest as I thought they couldn't make that ugly car uglier but proceeded to do so. The large "Predator" grill openings for years on the Lexus. The Honda Element or the "Cube" by Scion. WOW. Or my favorite the JUKE!!! looks like an ugly bug with no flowing lines on the body but people still buy them. So when you call a Camaro "ugly" well no, those mentioned about are UGLY.
I do not think the Ford GT is attractive. It's too spacey for me like the Lamborghini's are.
Re-read what I said. I said I don't like any of the current offerings.
As far as the new Corvette goes, it has a Camaro rear which personally I wonder if it has been influenced by Kim Kardashian where you inject fat into your ass and then try to decorate the cellulite showing through the stretch pants with add on chachka's.
I'm not trying to infuriate you or accuse you of anything but it's very obvious in your writings that you have a sympathetic view to GM offerings. Why could that be? Maybe because you work there? That's all I'm saying.
Now the ultimate issue here is not you and me. It's the current world universal issue of being able to speak truth to power. Corporate is noticibly worse then government is. That's an issue.
I once defended "Detroit" reasoning why would they make what they want and shove that down our throats? I've changed my view. They definitely are telling us what we want or making us want things like the Ford GT even though few can afford that.
As far as Ford with the Mustang-E, give me a break here. How can they POSSIBLY try to equate a 67 Mustang fastback to what they now want to call a Mustang?
Are they through with binary sex identification too? "If you were classified as female at birth..."? That was just a sexist '60s thing? :o
That's ALL TOO ABSTRACT for me which absolutely proves that they are correct in that I am just no longer their customer. But I didn't cause that. They did. I'll stay with a woman as a wife AND A REAL "MUSTANG" ! Thank you. Communication ended.
Just my two cents...I have always thought the new gen Camero's look like adult sized Hot Wheels. As far as the most recent rendition of the Ford GT, wayyy to futuristic for my tastes. Honestly, I appreciate the new Mustangs and latest Shelby labeled Mustangs, but I'd take a Demon any day.