In this day and again with 65-70 Shelbys either in collections or rotting away more replicas/tributes are really the only available to the most seeking to own one. What kind of vintage car dollar value would replicas possess assuming it was replicated to Shelby specs and/or used either OEM Ford parts or OEM Shelby parts for that year?
Example 1968 Ford 'C' code convertible replicated to a GT350 with 302 drivetrain with Paxton Supercharger, Shelby badging, taillights, quarter panels scoops, etc. Clearly 1968 Ford Mustang book shouldn't apply since by appearance its a GT350 but VIN says other wise.
I hope this makes sense. Thanks for the comments.
It doesn't matter if the mustang c code "by appearance its a Shelby GT350", or a Ferrari 330 ;), it was and it will always be a mustang code C .
Now , some people are ready to invest a lot of money in Promod cars , (éléonore ....), so price of your exemple will depends on how much somebody will want to spend to get this particular car ...
Are you buying or selling?
The automotive hobby is very individualistic with features and workmanship reflective of owner's values and skill set. A clone/tribute/replica has no more value than a base vehicle, often less. One thing quickly learned in the hobby, any custom feature added has no resale value over the OEM configuration. Someone with a '68 convertible would be money ahead to keep it original. There are some minor upgrades that improve reliability and are not a liability to value. Generally those are limited to, radial tires, halogen head lights, modern gas shocks, stainless exhaust and brake lines, serviceable ball joints and tie rod ends. Honestly, I'm amazed what people will pay for a '68 Shelby considering it's only a production line Mustang with cosmetic trim parts.
If you are thinking of building a replica, there are plenty of reproduction parts to use. Don't waste original or NOS rare parts. Those should be saved for real Shelbys. 8)
Quote from: A-Snake on May 03, 2018, 08:25:55 AM
If you are thinking of building a replica, there are plenty of reproduction parts to use. Don't waste original or NOS rare parts. Those should be saved for real Shelbys. 8)
+1 Absolutely!!!!
Well, since you asked....your original statements are flawed in my opinion....
Putting a Tom Brady jersey on doesnt make you a football player, even if its a real NFL jersey. A real Shelby is assigned a number by Shelby, during the original years of production. Period. So, no your example is not a GT350.
Everything else is pretend land.
To say cars are either "in collections or rotting way" is factually inaccurate. There are dozens of cars for sale everyday and hundreds every year. The appeal of a real Shelby is its rarity. In 1968, one of every 72 Mustangs was a Shelby. (1%)
Determing the value of a fake is up to the buyer. More than a few, I have seen have had very good prices. Honestly, I would rather have a ratty, real car than a perfect movie car recreation. If I were estimating the value of your example, I would take the price of the parts divide by two (they are used parts) and add that to the value of the Mustang. I dont think adding Shelby parts, real or reproduction, gives a Mustang some magical boost.
Without seeng a car, its very difficult to determine a price. Very few of these clones use oem parts.
Just to clarify, you can do what you want with your car. I do find it amusing so many of these owners get to "I would never pass it off as an original" in their rationalizations. Hmmm, is that why your clone has a Shelby tag?
Recent auctions have seen base cars with modern interior, suspension and drive lines sell for good money and I believe far more than any clone/fake/tribute. That applies across all brands and therefore a better build investment IMHO.
I'm just going to say it...This post has all the familiar traits of a TROLL
Registered today at 1:00:33. First post at 1:15:53.
The question about a torrid(emotional) subject meant to evoke an argument.
Classic troll post.
Of course this is just my opinion... ;)
Chris, no one would troll here. :o
Answering the OP's title question of an opinion. I would say the only issue I have with replicas, clones or tributes is when one attempts to sell it and pass it off as an original/genuine car to an unaware buyer. This applies to not only Shelbys. Try Z28 Cameros, Porsche 356's, Ferrari Daytona convertibles, certain corvettes etc.
Replicas, clones and tributes have their place for numerous reasons. When it comes time to part with or sell the car, it's value depends on what the buyer is willing to pay for it. Obviously that price would never exceed the price of an original/genuine car. Just don't try to sell it as an original car. This is my opinion.
Cheers,
~Earl J
Replicas , tributes , clones , whatever you want to call them are ALL compromises compared to the REAL THING. Some people are comfortable with replica stuff . A '65 or 66 hardtop , with GT350 stripes is not a replica or clone of ANYTHING. I am not against customizing a Mustang any way you want. That is a great idea . Call it what it is , not what you fantasize it is because it isn't no matter how many "correct" parts you throw on it. Don't forget to do the "Shelby drop" to the front end while you're at it , that is KEY to the whole process.
Randy
Very well said Randy.
I prefer the cobra replicas to the GT350 replicas ;)
what a stupid question.
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on May 03, 2018, 10:27:33 AM
I'm just going to say it...This post has all the familiar traits of a TROLL
Registered today at 1:00:33. First post at 1:15:53.
The question about a torrid(emotional) subject meant to evoke an argument.
Classic troll post.
Of course this is just my opinion... ;)
OR, he is being Honest and may own one and testing the waters so he asked the question to see if he would get a rash of shit from people and should move on or be welcomed.
Plenty of room for discussion on Team Shelby Maybe they will give him the answer he's looking for LOL
Quote from: tesgt350 on May 03, 2018, 12:34:07 PM
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on May 03, 2018, 10:27:33 AM
I'm just going to say it...This post has all the familiar traits of a TROLL
Registered today at 1:00:33. First post at 1:15:53.
The question about a torrid(emotional) subject meant to evoke an argument.
Classic troll post.
Of course this is just my opinion... ;)
OR, he is being Honest and may own one and testing the waters so he asked the question to see if he would get a rash of shit from people and should move on or be welcomed.
+1
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 03, 2018, 10:11:53 AM
Well, since you asked....your original statements are flawed in my opinion....
Putting a Tom Brady jersey on doesnt make you a football player, even if its a real NFL jersey. A real Shelby is assigned a number by Shelby, during the original years of production. Period. So, no your example is not a GT350.
Everything else is pretend land.
To say cars are either "in collections or rotting way" is factually inaccurate. There are dozens of cars for sale everyday and hundreds every year. The appeal of a real Shelby is its rarity. In 1968, one of every 72 Mustangs was a Shelby. (1%)
Determing the value of a fake is up to the buyer. More than a few, I have seen have had very good prices. Honestly, I would rather have a ratty, real car than a perfect movie car recreation. If I were estimating the value of your example, I would take the price of the parts divide by two (they are used parts) and add that to the value of the Mustang. I dont think adding Shelby parts, real or reproduction, gives a Mustang some magical boost.
Without seeng a car, its very difficult to determine a price. Very few of these clones use oem parts.
Just to clarify, you can do what you want with your car. I do find it amusing so many of these owners get to "I would never pass it off as an original" in their rationalizations. Hmmm, is that why your clone has a Shelby tag?
To echo Coralsnake's comments, they are not all in collections and rotting. Buy a real one dude. It took me the better part of a year to find the right car but they are out there and with Coraksnake's help I found one. #3255 is currently getting some TLC from him as her birthday present which is coming up on 5/20. Can't wait to get her back and celebrate.
I forget...
What was the question?
Quote from: Bigfoot on May 03, 2018, 02:48:14 PM
I forget...
What was the question?
Who cuts your hair :D
... and were off
Now this is starting to feel like the old forum...
8)
Quote from: gt350hr on May 03, 2018, 12:44:11 PM
Plenty of room for discussion on Team Shelby Maybe they will give him the answer he's looking for LOL
Sounds like you're telling him to "MOVE ON".
Naw not me. Just stating the facts.
Biggie: Those Flow-Bees from the '80s are bad-azz.
How about a "I don't know" / "I'll find out answer"? I've owned my real 67 GT 350 since 1971. I grin ear to ear every time I drive it. And, I'm also building a tribute to Lil' Red, the 67 GT 500 coupe. Not looking to build it and sell. Looking just to entertain myself.
Anyone notice the positive comments of the Lil' Red clone that was at SAAC 42? Seems we all liked it.
And yeah, slapping GT 350 stripes on any 65 fastback is a bit too much. Or anything close toward that Elanor car....
Quote from: gt350hr on May 03, 2018, 11:46:48 AM...ALL compromises compared to the REAL THING. ... Don't forget to do the "Shelby drop" to the front end while you're at it , that is KEY to the whole process.
I have to agree with Randy. I've built more than a few early Mustangs to replicate the GT350 performance/handling and never put stripes or anything else that would make one think it was a Shelby product. The fun is in the driving not looking at it.
The question I have today is how does one view my 1998 SVT Cobra? Yeah I could call it a Cobra because Ford owned the name and decided to use it on the performance model of their Mustang - but does it detract from the early 2 seat cars? When SVT developed what would become the GT500 they struck upon a marketing plan to call it GT500 and hired CS as a pitchman (for 12 million+). How are those viewed? CS had no involvement while the car was being developed and was only a marketing tool much like for the Eleanor cars.
I view your 1998 SVT Cobra the same way I view my 1968 Shelby Cobra G.T.500. That was the name given to it.
Chris
Everything has its place...Fortunately for me my garage is the place for a real 67 gt500....Booyah!!! 8)
Quote from: DRUG_NERD on May 03, 2018, 02:15:53 AM
In this day and again with 65-70 Shelbys either in collections or rotting away more replicas/tributes are really the only available to the most seeking to own one. What kind of vintage car dollar value would replicas possess assuming it was replicated to Shelby specs and/or used either OEM Ford parts or OEM Shelby parts for that year?
Example 1968 Ford 'C' code convertible replicated to a GT350 with 302 drivetrain with Paxton Supercharger, Shelby badging, taillights, quarter panels scoops, etc. Clearly 1968 Ford Mustang book shouldn't apply since by appearance its a GT350 but VIN says other wise.
I hope this makes sense. Thanks for the comments.
To answer the original question. I would GUESS that a Mustang modified to look like a Shelby might bring a 10% to 20% premium over the same car without those mods – IF the workmanship is good. If the workmanship is shoddy then those modifications would probably devalue the car.
Steve
Quote from: Bigfoot on May 03, 2018, 06:28:28 PM
Quote from: Bill on May 03, 2018, 03:02:39 PM
Quote from: Bigfoot on May 03, 2018, 02:48:14 PM
I forget...
What was the question?
Who cuts your hair :D
I do it myself
P.M. me a pic of your current dew. Im going to get a replica Bigfoot cut this weekend. Ill tell people Im you and pretend I own a 65 GT350 and B9 and god knows what else.
On topic, I am not a fan of fake Shelby Mustangs It either is or it isn't. Save your money like I did for a dozen plus years and buy the real thing. Like a few have already replied they are not all in museums. I picked up pizza in mine the other night.
As everyone keeps reiterating, in the end ultimately the v.i.n. will decide what the vehicle really is.
Not how much faster it is, not how much better it is, not what the equipment, stripes or scoops just put on say it is.
In my eyes and heart the real ones are and always will be 1962 through 1970.
Once each years production ended there should be no others termed as being the same as "original".
No matter how many times someone paints the Mona Lisa, there is still only one Mona Lisa!
+ 101%
Quote from: gt350cs on May 04, 2018, 10:57:31 AM
Once each years production ended there should be no others termed as being the same as "original".
No matter how many times someone paints the Mona Lisa, there is still only one Mona Lisa!
+1 A "modernized" Mustang "could be a faster , better handling , more comfortable car" , but it will NEVER be a Shelby.
Quote from: SFM6S087 on May 04, 2018, 05:20:33 AM
Quote from: DRUG_NERD on May 03, 2018, 02:15:53 AM
In this day and again with 65-70 Shelbys either in collections or rotting away more replicas/tributes are really the only available to the most seeking to own one. What kind of vintage car dollar value would replicas possess assuming it was replicated to Shelby specs and/or used either OEM Ford parts or OEM Shelby parts for that year?
Example 1968 Ford 'C' code convertible replicated to a GT350 with 302 drivetrain with Paxton Supercharger, Shelby badging, taillights, quarter panels scoops, etc. Clearly 1968 Ford Mustang book shouldn't apply since by appearance its a GT350 but VIN says other wise.
I hope this makes sense. Thanks for the comments.
To answer the original question. I would GUESS that a Mustang modified to look like a Shelby might bring a 10% to 20% premium over the same car without those mods – IF the workmanship is good. If the workmanship is shoddy then those modifications would probably devalue the car.
Steve. Depends on what you start with....6 cyl. Fastback built into v8 Shelby clone would increase value most likely....
we are firing today on all 8 cylinders
Quote from: gt350hr on May 04, 2018, 11:47:09 AM
+1 A "modernized" Mustang "could be a faster , better handling , more comfortable car" , but it will NEVER be a Shelby.