What size lettering on Goodyear E70x15 . Would the larger lettering be correct on a early 67 gt350
no.159. The smaller letter tires can not be found.
with a SJ build date of 11/29/66 I would think - Yes the large letter would be correct.
Yes
Small
Quote from: Farmerjohn on September 29, 2021, 08:13:00 PM
What size lettering on Goodyear E70x15 . Would the larger lettering be correct on a early 67 gt350
no.159. The smaller letter tires can not be found.
The small letter tire can be found if you know where to look. In case of car 159 however the large letter tire is what came on it when first built.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 29, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: Farmerjohn on September 29, 2021, 08:13:00 PM
What size lettering on Goodyear E70x15 . Would the larger lettering be correct on a early 67 gt350
no.159. The smaller letter tires can not be found.
The small letter tire can be found if you know where to look. In case of car 159 however the large letter tire is what came on it when first built.
When was the cut over from large to small letter tires? Ready to purchase tires for #1341 2/28/2021 build date. If small letter are there reproductions available?
This might help...
Note: late in the production run the taller letter version did get put on cars, not sure off-hand what that time period was.
thanks
these look to be correct
https://www.kelseytire.com/performance-group-2/e70-15-speedway-350-small-letter-rwl/
Quote from: S412gofast on September 30, 2021, 10:39:44 AM
thanks
these look to be correct
https://www.kelseytire.com/performance-group-2/e70-15-speedway-350-small-letter-rwl/
Yes those are the small letter speedway and Kelsey tire is who has them made.
Quote from: S412gofast on September 30, 2021, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 29, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: Farmerjohn on September 29, 2021, 08:13:00 PM
What size lettering on Goodyear E70x15 . Would the larger lettering be correct on a early 67 gt350
no.159. The smaller letter tires can not be found.
The small letter tire can be found if you know where to look. In case of car 159 however the large letter tire is what came on it when first built.
When was the cut over from large to small letter tires? Ready to purchase tires for #1341 2/28/2021 build date. If small letter are there reproductions available?
Seeing as how your car is only 7 months old you sure burned up your tires fast 😛
Roy
Quote from: TA Coupe on September 30, 2021, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: S412gofast on September 30, 2021, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 29, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: Farmerjohn on September 29, 2021, 08:13:00 PM
What size lettering on Goodyear E70x15 . Would the larger lettering be correct on a early 67 gt350
no.159. The smaller letter tires can not be found.
The small letter tire can be found if you know where to look. In case of car 159 however the large letter tire is what came on it when first built.
When was the cut over from large to small letter tires? Ready to purchase tires for #1341 2/28/2021 build date. If small letter are there reproductions available?
Seeing as how your car is only 7 months old you sure burned up your tires fast 😛
Roy
LOL Drove it like I stole it! ;D
...good catch!
Quote from: JD on September 30, 2021, 10:33:17 AM
This might help...
Note: late in the production run the taller letter version did get put on cars, not sure off-hand what that time period was.
Now we know where the number 280 came from.
The October 6th internal 'MEMO' noted approximately 230 units would get the early large letter Goodyear tires.
After that the Ford base units would get the small lettered Goodyear tires.
Since the letter states 'approximately' and we know SAI did not complete the cars in order of the Ford VINs delivered,
the SAI VIN numbers are likely not in consecutive order.
Quote from: JD on September 30, 2021, 10:33:17 AM
This might help...
Note: late in the production run the taller letter version did get put on cars, not sure off-hand what that time period was.
Wasn't that in regards to 1968 models and not '67s.
I purchased a set of small letter Goodyears about four months ago for my car and they arrived in a week. Coincidentally, I received an email last night from Speedway Motors (where I purchased the tires) stating that Kelsey Tire doesn't expect to ship these again until end of March 2022. Glad I was able to get mine when I did.
Quote from: Richstang on September 30, 2021, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: JD on September 30, 2021, 10:33:17 AM
This might help...
Note: late in the production run the taller letter version did get put on cars, not sure off-hand what that time period was.
Now we know where the number 280 came from.
The October 6th internal 'MEMO' noted approximately 230 units would get the early large letter Goodyear tires.
After that the Ford base units would get the small lettered Goodyear tires.
Since the letter states 'approximately' and we know SAI did not complete the cars in order of the Ford VINs delivered,
the SAI VIN numbers are likely not in consecutive order.
That is probably why it says "...thought to be before #280... "
Quote from: Richstang on September 30, 2021, 04:20:32 PM
Quote from: JD on September 30, 2021, 10:33:17 AM
This might help...
Note: late in the production run the taller letter version did get put on cars, not sure off-hand what that time period was.
Wasn't that in regards to 1968 models and not '67s.
There were some "backward" steps that were thought to have happened, two were seat material (smooth) and letter size on tires.
Others can chime-in.
Quote from: JD on September 30, 2021, 04:36:48 PM
This might help...
Note: late in the production run the taller letter version did get put on cars, not sure off-hand what that time period was.
Wasn't that in regards to 1968 models and not '67s.
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There were some "backward" steps that were thought to have happened, two were seat material (smooth) and letter size on tires.
Others can chime-in.
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The '6A' (smooth) trim material was a replacement for a SHORTAGE at Ford. I've been tracking that for a while. The material shortage occurred on certain days and was limited to a few of the last Shelby DSO groups. As supplies were replenished, Ford went back to the '5A' trim as Shelby ordered in those DSO groups. That was definitely NOT an intentional backward step.
I'd love to hear more about the lettered tires for late '67 changing and look at any evidence of that occurring.
Others who know anything on this subject are encouraged to chime in.
I have only seen evidence for the small letter tires used to the end of 67 production . Not to say it couldn't happen but I haven't seen the evidence. I have seen evidence for small letter tire usage continuing on from the start of 1968 production before changing to the large letter. That is the only time I am aware of the change back to the large letter. I have seen other things that changed my perception so I will be interested to see evidence to support a change back to the large letter in latter 67 production.
Just for interest, here's a pic I took of a '67 GT350/500 ? at Sud Automobile in Longueil, Quebec, in July '67. I don't know how long
that car had been there ? in reference to the discussion here re: lettering on the tires, Sorry for the quality, I was just a 16 year
old kid with what amounted to a Kodak box Brownie ;)
Mike
ps: you know, I've looked at that photo hundreds of times, and only now noticed the car has stripes ::)
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 30, 2021, 07:38:41 PM
I have only seen evidence for the small letter tires used to the end of 67 production . Not to say it couldn't happen but I haven't seen the evidence. I have seen evidence for small letter tire usage continuing on from the start of 1968 production before changing to the large letter. That is the only time I am aware of the change back to the large letter. I have seen other things that changed my perception so I will be interested to see evidence to support a change back to the large letter in latter 67 production.
Thanks for adding your thoughts Bob.
Quote from: honker on September 30, 2021, 08:12:31 PM
Just for interest, here's a pic I took of a '67 GT350/500 ? at Sud Automobile in Longueil, Quebec, in July '67. I don't know how long
that car had been there ? in reference to the discussion here re: lettering on the tires, Sorry for the quality, I was just a 16 year
old kid with what amounted to a Kodak box Brownie ;)
Mike
ps: you know, I've looked at that photo hundreds of times, and only now noticed the car has stripes ::)
All these years later and you just noticed the stripes. WOW. I guess the low angle photo hid them well.
Looking at all the new '67 Shelby's sold through SUD (45 total) only 33 were GT500s.
8 of those appear to have come with 10-spoke wheels.
I've saved about 8 B&W photos you posted from SUD. It was nice to see them all.
Mike,
of the 8 GT500s sold at SUD with ten spokes, only one was a medium paint color.
4 were Dark Moss Green, 1 Brittany, 1 Lime, and 1 White...
leaving only the 1 medium color of #2398 in Acapulco Blue, if that was a new car.
#2398 was shipped to SUD on July 6th 1967.
Rich, that is what was meant by placing quotation marks around backward, they reverted to doing what was done previously.
The '6A' (smooth) trim material was a replacement for a SHORTAGE at Ford. I've been tracking that for a while. The material shortage occurred on certain days and was limited to a few of the last Shelby DSO groups. As supplies were replenished, Ford went back to the '5A' trim as Shelby ordered in those DSO groups. That was definitely NOT an intentional backward step.
JD,
I hope you don't think I'm trying to give you grief. You are one of the most trusted people of the '67 Shelby community. I always value what you share with us. It is always hard to follow writing (or posting on the forum) and sometimes there are misunderstandings of that communication which appears to be what happened here.
My post, was just trying to point out that the '6A' smooth trim was never intentional. In fact, I believe even the early cars with '6A' trim were just built to keep the Ford SJ production line moving when the '5A' knitted/comfort-weave material was not yet available per the Shelby orders.
We have a topic on this subject with many details on the SRG google site.
https://groups.google.com/g/shelbyresearch/c/JFbDbkNv4vA
I'm wondering where you heard about the Goodyear tire lettering size changing late in production for 1967?
That is the original point of this thread and it should be returned back to that subject.
Can you share any thoughts on this question now that Bob has posted his current thoughts?
Anyone else have something to add about this?
My apologies to all, I miss-spoke and got the sequence backwards, the small was carried-over into the '68's and then they went back to the large letter.
Bad dog back in my cage ;-)
Quote from: JD on October 01, 2021, 01:10:47 PM
My apologies to all, I miss-spoke and got the sequence backwards, the small was carried-over into the '68's and then they went back to the large letter.
Bad dog back in my cage ;-)
Thanks for the update JD, I appreciate your honesty.