https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-shelby-mustang-gt350-8/
Link above, I know some of you have seen this, interesting car.
Seller stated original paint in the auction, but painted hardware in the door jambs. Touched up, or?
Quote from: CharlesTurner on August 04, 2021, 02:46:32 PM
Seller stated original paint in the auction, but painted hardware in the door jambs. Touched up, or?
Crusty, but not all original ;)
Quote from: Bill on August 04, 2021, 02:51:15 PM
Quote from: CharlesTurner on August 04, 2021, 02:46:32 PM
Seller stated original paint in the auction, but painted hardware in the door jambs. Touched up, or?
Crusty, but not all original ;)
+1 on both!!
a number of "adjustments", he may not know enough to know what he has. bidding is strong to say the least!!
#1452 is too late to have a steel innerstructure hood from the factory . The early hood came from a GT500 based on the cuts into the inner structure to clear the GT500 oval air cleaner front and rear. Also white overspray on the hood latch bringing in more questions for the all original paint claim.
San Jose Build date is 3-15-67 (Ide's of March),
Shelby completion date is April 10th, '67.
Quote from listing "...This 1967 Shelby Mustang GT350 was purchased by the seller's parents from Frontier Ford in Niagara Falls, New York, on May 28th, 1968 after reportedly being used as a dealer demonstration vehicle. ..."
The car shipped in Mid-April '67 and first owner got it May 28th of '68 and it was a dealer-demo - that's a year of time for stuff to "happen/change" before the first owner got it and had what they "thought" was original.
As far as the paint claim the easy one I see is the white rocker pinch welds.
Some interesting original details on the car (got some more dates :) even one of the odd ball redrilled export brace we've discussed before
Got to love auctions -both in person and internet ones.
Thanks for posting ! one learns from the comments made, about the details of this car.
Question, what is that lever with the red knob next to the shifter, is it to do with the headers ? image below.
Mike
Quote from: honker on August 04, 2021, 04:57:46 PM
Question, what is that lever with the red knob next to the shifter, is it to do with the headers ? image below.
That is an aftermarket shifter and that model has a reverse lock out controlled by the additional arm and red knob. Other versions have it located in other places and with different types if "knobs"
She's a little tired looking and the bid price surprising with 5 days left ??
Seems to be overpriced now. The color is off from Wimbledon White. Looks like original paint above the rear license plate.
Quote from: corbins on August 04, 2021, 09:40:06 PM
She's a little tired looking and the bid price surprising with 5 days left ??
Cringeworthy Royce... Makes me sad to look at it now.
On eBay a year ago, starting at $175k.
You would like to think that it is not bid up by inside bidders but who knows. Given the current looks, condition ,ebay history and bid to price that situation is not out of the question. Just sayin.
Quote from: CharlesTurner on August 04, 2021, 02:46:32 PM
Seller stated original paint in the auction, but painted hardware in the door jambs. Touched up, or?
first place I look at in pics of cars is that is there overspray on the fender bolts, door jamb latch screws, window stop plates, trunk areas, stainless glass trim. Painters are too lazy-or owners) to either leave those parts on and replace after painting or have the car disassembled further before paint.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 05, 2021, 12:22:15 AM
You would like to think that it is not bid up by inside bidders but who knows. Given the current looks, condition ,ebay history and bid to price that situation is not out of the question. Just sayin.
I like to look at bidders and their history. One reason EBay sucks these days-bidders are hidden. In the case of this car one bidder Piston has 5 wins on BaT this year and put 2 of those back up. Both were high bid/sold for LESS than what he paid. I think he is a real bidder. The high bidder right now's bidding history on many cars including a 68 Shelby appears he is bidding to what he thinks is a good/fair price and stops. No wins on 5 cars bid this year. So I think this guy, too, is a real bidder. I have seen a bidder who have bid on an abnormal connection to one seller but have only seen that once but of course there are very few cars compared to the overall amount being auctioned off each day that I have researched bidders on (usually musclecars where the bids were real high real fast on reserve cars). Gary
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 04, 2021, 03:04:48 PM
#1452 is too late to have a steel innerstructure hood from the factory . The early hood came from a GT500 based on the cuts into the inner structure to clear the GT500 oval air cleaner front and rear. Also white overspray on the hood latch bringing in more questions for the all original paint claim.
My guess would be the car had a fender bender early in its life and the hood replaced. There has obviously been some painting through the years as well.
Girl does need some love and old man rust is waiting for the next owner to address :).
Quote from: Greg on August 05, 2021, 09:44:14 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 04, 2021, 03:04:48 PM
#1452 is too late to have a steel innerstructure hood from the factory . The early hood came from a GT500 based on the cuts into the inner structure to clear the GT500 oval air cleaner front and rear. Also white overspray on the hood latch bringing in more questions for the all original paint claim.
My guess would be the car had a fender bender early in its like and the hood replaced. There has obviously been some painting through the years as well.
Girl does need some love and old man rust is waiting for the next owner to address :).
Good guess. ;) A very common past occurrence for these cars. I would also want to check radiator support and aprons for replacement consequently .
I would like to bring up the question , as to when this car is not considered a true Survivor? It is obvious with the overspray that the rockers and door sills have , there has been some repaint at some time in during its Life. Which would be the reason for the absence of stripes ? But if the car still retains over 70 % of its original paint , can it be called a survivor.
What if the major dents and the top were repaired and the underneath of the car was cleaned up and the headers were removed and the date code exhaust manifolds were out back on ? ( The comment that the headers were dealer installed , I am not sure can be proven? ) The car does have the Daytona stripes , were they installed by the dealer when sold? How often did that happen back in the day? Thanks Steve
Agree- Not a survivor in my opinion... Kind of 'poetic license' to use that term... I am surprised BaT let them get away with that. Why no rocker stripes? They don't just simply peel off... If you've ever had to remove them, you'd know. It's a bear! S, that tells me that roughly ~1/3 of the lower half has been re-sprayed... That poor 715 CP... At least they have it. I know one of our members can do a nice job on it. The SS center piece ugh.. That rocker switch... Go find another one of those... may be easier/better to pit it back together with OEM/Factory AC if you are going to drive it at all. Good starting point, yea, I guess. for a 151G's... Ouch, you must really want a white car badly... I get it. Not a lime gold fan. I settled for red, but really wanted nightmist blue. But, hey, it's got new Koni's and a new gas tank... Wish them both all the best... Seems the seller's getting one helluva deal. I am guessing the last 2 minutes on this one is going to be zero raises.
Quote from: Steve Z on August 06, 2021, 12:16:11 PM
I would like to bring up the question , as to when this car is not considered a true Survivor? It is obvious with the overspray that the rockers and door sills have , there has been some repaint at some time in during its Life. Which would be the reason for the absence of stripes ? But if the car still retains over 70 % of its original paint , can it be called a survivor.
What if the major dents and the top were repaired and the underneath of the car was cleaned up and the headers were removed and the date code exhaust manifolds were out back on ? ( The comment that the headers were dealer installed , I am not sure can be proven? ) The car does have the Daytona stripes , were they installed by the dealer when sold? How often did that happen back in the day? Thanks Steve
Think your mixing the term "original" "unrestored" and "survivor" with one another. Don't believe there is any official accepted standard for any of these terms for the general public. For some organizations and for judging there are but that would be just for their purposes. Think that is where you may be getting the percentage of repaint from and even then a car with a complete repaint may be judged and still receive an award with that title on the award.
From there it is a "what if" exercise IMHO without a common understanding currently and even then terms can change over time like the term "resto-mod" did.
Bottom line it that almost any car can be called anything its what the person accepts as a standard at the time and situation
As far as stripes they were somewhat popular IMHO and could have been added after the repaint if that is what has been done. Difficult to determine all of the factors from a distance through a few pictures taken by someone else with a different purpose in mind. Think your the first person I can recall calling them "Daytona" stripes
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 05, 2021, 12:22:15 AM
You would like to think that it is not bid up by inside bidders but who knows. Given the current looks, condition ,ebay history and bid to price that situation is not out of the question. Just sayin.
Plus one! Games?
I personally would not buy a car on ebay because it is so easy to play a game.
Unless, it has a price with offers taken.
I would like to ad another term to, "original" "unrestored" and "survivor" and that new term is....... "Bla Bla Bla Bla"
Is red oxide primer under the original paint for the fiberglass parts?
Quote from: mustang245 on August 06, 2021, 04:10:03 PM
Is red oxide primer under the original paint for the fiberglass parts?
Nope
Quote from: mustang245 on August 06, 2021, 04:10:03 PM
Is red oxide primer under the original paint for the fiberglass parts?
No not originally on fiberglass.
I did learn a New Term recently. I was at an auction and aShelby I was looking at had a Sympathetic Restoration? What is That ?
Quote from: Steve Z on August 06, 2021, 06:35:14 PM
I did learn a New Term recently. I was at an auction and aShelby I was looking at had a Sympathetic Restoration? What is That ?
"Sympathetic Restoration" You felt bad or sorry for the old car so you restored it? ::)
Sorry just took the opportunity explore the possibilities
LOL I just can't get over the Auction Terms they are coming up with.
Quote from: Steve Z on August 06, 2021, 08:08:19 PM
LOL I just can't get over the Auction Terms they are coming up with.
to this day I hate the "tribute" term. I believe I first saw that from a BJ auction. From as long as I can remember especially with Shelbys being cloned so much from the onset the term was clone. But I think some on the auction biz thought it was too negative(?) so Tribute was coined.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 07, 2021, 06:01:16 AM
Quote from: Steve Z on August 06, 2021, 08:08:19 PM
LOL I just can't get over the Auction Terms they are coming up with.
to this day I hate the "tribute" term. I believe I first saw that from a BJ auction. From as long as I can remember especially with Shelbys being cloned so much from the onset the term was clone. But I think some on the auction biz thought it was too negative(?) so Tribute was coined.
The '67s strike me as being the most like the GT40's in that they seem to have the most "day 2" changes but unlike the '40's in that everyone needs to "classify" them to their own satisfaction.
I suppose it's a similar thing to a religious following in that somehow everyone sins and you need to pray for absolution to them? Pray for your forgiveness? 8)
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on August 07, 2021, 06:01:16 AM
Quote from: Steve Z on August 06, 2021, 08:08:19 PM
LOL I just can't get over the Auction Terms they are coming up with.
to this day I hate the "tribute" term. I believe I first saw that from a BJ auction. From as long as I can remember especially with Shelbys being cloned so much from the onset the term was clone. But I think some on the auction biz thought it was too negative(?) so Tribute was coined.
The term "replica" was the standard first term used in years past to describe a copy of the original in this automotive case at auctions etc. In the case of the early replica Cobras however the term "similar" would be more fitting because they were anything but a exact copy. ::) The term"Replica" took on a disparaging context in the automotive case in part because most attempts at replicating classic cars in years past were not very close to the actual original in comparison. In it's place for the most part the term "Cloned" became the most used. The process of making a better copy has evolved over the years. I think the "cloned" term became a preferred usage with it's scientific origins in society. The term "cloned" seem to give more prestige to describing copying the genuine. I think "Tribute" evolved the same way.All terms are still used.
[/quote]The term "replica" was the standard first term used in years past to describe a copy of the original in this automotive case at auctions etc. In the case of the early replica Cobras however the term "similar" would be more fitting because they were anything but a exact copy. ::) The term"Replica" took on a disparaging context in the automotive case in part because most attempts at replicating classic cars in years past were not very close to the actual original in comparison. In it's place for the most part the term "Cloned" became the most used. The process of making a better copy has evolved over the years. I think the "cloned" term became a preferred usage with it's scientific origins in society. The term "cloned" seem to give more prestige to describing copying the genuine. I think "Tribute" evolved the same way.All terms are still used.
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REPLICA....the first time I heard that word was in 1976. A guy who had a body shop bought a "KIT" of a boat tail Auburn. Thus REPLICA is a KIT CAR. Neat car. Would I want it? Don't know.
Replica, clone, tribute...all attempts to legitimize, put lipstick, on to something that is nothing more than a fake. We all understand the meaning of fake.
Quote from: Hockeylife on August 07, 2021, 10:57:43 PM
Replica, clone, tribute...all attempts to legitimize, put lipstick, on to something that is nothing more than a fake. We all understand the meaning of fake.
Yes. It's to suck the defensive backs into a running play and you go long to a wide receiver in one man coverage.
Just curious how did "Fake", "Clone", "Replica" fall under this topic? The car in subject clearly isn't and these terms probably shouldn't be used under this subject. Thats how a bad history for a car starts, I don't think any of us would want these terms used on a thread that had our car listed in the subject....
Quote from: Greg on August 08, 2021, 08:50:25 AM
Just curious how did "Fake", "Clone", "Replica" fall under this topic? The car in subject clearly isn't and these terms probably shouldn't be used under this subject. Thats how a bad history for a car starts, I don't think any of us would want these terms used on a thread that had our car listed in the subject....
Reply #28
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 08, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: Greg on August 08, 2021, 08:50:25 AM
Just curious how did "Fake", "Clone", "Replica" fall under this topic? The car in subject clearly isn't and these terms probably shouldn't be used under this subject. Thats how a bad history for a car starts, I don't think any of us would want these terms used on a thread that had our car listed in the subject....
Reply #28
I see, my suggestion would be to start a different thread.
Price is at $151k with a little over 16 hours left. Surprisingly high, is it the 'one family ownership" thing?
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 08, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: Greg on August 08, 2021, 08:50:25 AM
Just curious how did "Fake", "Clone", "Replica" fall under this topic? The car in subject clearly isn't and these terms probably shouldn't be used under this subject. Thats how a bad history for a car starts, I don't think any of us would want these terms used on a thread that had our car listed in the subject....
Reply #28
Actually Bob it started with reply #25 ;). Auction terms got brought into the discussion. Gary
Quote from: Greg on August 08, 2021, 08:50:25 AM
Just curious how did "Fake", "Clone", "Replica" fall under this topic? The car in subject clearly isn't and these terms probably shouldn't be used under this subject. Thats how a bad history for a car starts, I don't think any of us would want these terms used on a thread that had our car listed in the subject....
While Bob tagged my post as the start of being off topic it went off topic much earlier first with "What is a survivor" then a bunch of posts about survivors. Then talk about auction terminology on #25 to be clear on off topic posts on a certain topic.