First off, I don't care for the term "Barn Find" it's so over used. Anyway being and staying in our Northern NY home due to COVID I've been skiing quite a bit. One of my retired (75yo) skiing buddy/friends said his neighbor has a Shelby body he wants to get rid of, knowing I was into these things. I asked what year. He didn't know. He had his neighbor call me. It turns out someone who owed him money gave him the car. He himself didn't know what year it was thinking maybe 67-69? He's not a car guy. Just told it was a Shelby. Came out of the persons garage that owed money into his garage/barn sat in his garage for 10+ years. Getting his property ready to sell so he can move to Florida. He wants this gone.
My friend Jerry and I stopped by his garage to take a quick look last week Thursday on our way back from Gore Mountain. The neighbor wasn't home but we looked anyway. I'm not a 68 guy. This is more a Pete Disher, Bob Gaines, Special Ed or shelbydoug expertise. I took a few pics in the short time I was there. There was too much stuff on the car to look for a VIN stamping under the hood. But the body pieces were definitely 68.
I'm heading there tomorrow to uncover it or at least look under the hood. There is no motor, trans, interior is disassembled (mess). I was told it rolls.
Here's my question. If there is no tag, are the inner fenders stamped like the 65/66 cars? I have the current registries to the early cars but not the later 68-70 cars. What will I see or look for on a 68?
I asked the owner over the phone when we spoke last week if there was a tag on the driver side inner fender. He said there was but the previous owner sold it. (?!!!) I thought how is that possible?
This county of New York are predominantly farmers, dairy farmers and Amish.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
~Earl J
I have questions, no motor...
It's a '68. The VIN tag is in the windshield on the passenger side. Also the VIN is stamped on each inner fender, typically not visible with the fenders installed. The VIN also would be stamped on the build tag if present on the radiator core support passenger side front, and on the trim tag on the LH door rear face.
Get a bill of sale notarized and signed by the person who owns it. The bill of sale needs to have the car's correct VIN or it won't be legal.
Maybe we can coin a new phrase... Uncomfortable resting place- Most are found with crap piled in, on, or around, like that one! My guess is to make as much noise as possible and to slow down any unwanted advances toward the vehicle. Great find they are still out there. Keep us posted. :)
Could be a mustang with shelby fiberglass also... check the VIN's. Windshield/dash VIN is easiest one to see, assuming one is there.
You'd be best served making sure the car is not stolen.
The VIN WILL be stamped visibly on the drivers side inner fender under where the Shelby VIN tag would normally be pop-riveted. There will be a notch in the lip of the outer fender.
It will be in the mirror image on the passenger side. That side will be concealed under the outer fenders inner lip and the fenders although bolted in place normally had an adhesive black caulking used between the two so they need to be pried apart, once unbolted to reveal the stamped number which may be under some caulking.
There normally is the Warranty tag riveted to the drivers door as well. The tag will have the Ford VIN on it
If the windshield is still in place there was a Ford tag riveted on the passenger side with the Ford VIN. The only place that the Shelby consecutive unit number would be on the car would be on the Shelby VIN tag.
There was always "talk" of a third number in the trunk that one needed to drill a hole through the trunk floor to see but as of this date, no one that I know of has ever confirmed that it existed.
It was mentioned in Ford documentation and could just be a misinterpretation of other information provided to State Police Departments?
it looks like it may be real to me
Anyone who believes that there is a VIN stamped in the trunk area is not too bright.
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 29, 2021, 10:50:51 AM
There was always "talk" of a third number in the trunk that one needed to drill a hole through the trunk floor to see but as of this date, no one that I know of has ever confirmed that it existed.
It was mentioned in Ford documentation and could just be a misinterpretation of other information provided to State Police Departments?
Quote from: Royce Peterson on March 29, 2021, 11:44:30 AM
Anyone who believes that there is a VIN stamped in the trunk area is not too bright.
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 29, 2021, 10:50:51 AM
There was always "talk" of a third number in the trunk that one needed to drill a hole through the trunk floor to see but as of this date, no one that I know of has ever confirmed that it existed.
It was mentioned in Ford documentation and could just be a misinterpretation of other information provided to State Police Departments?
It was from a sheet showed to me by my parts man. It isn't something that I made up. It was limited to "Police" use at the time so I couldn't have a copy.
It showed the location and how to determine it. Not having a photographic memory, I don't remember the specifics but it wasn't my imagination. It was sprung on me quite unexpectedly.
Upper and lower scoops look like they are sitting funny. Lower scoop looks like its blocked.
Yep and greenish upper scoop looks like the replacement type.
Are the 2 door mirrors in the 3rd pic correct for a 68 Shelby?
Roy
Quote from: TA Coupe on March 29, 2021, 01:07:35 PM
Are the 2 door mirrors in the 3rd pic correct for a 68 Shelby?
Roy
'68 Shelby normally had only a remote door mirror on the driver side.
Hey guys, on the third pic (here it is again) notice the 4 little holes on the passenger side dash board. Would that have been for the mounting of the dash Snake GT350/500 logo emblem? I'm a bit anxious to see this car again.
Are reproduction emblems stick-on or do they have mounting studs?
Cheers,
~Earl J
Yes they are for either the Mustang or the Shelby medallion.
All you need to do or have done is clear the debris off the passenger side of the windsheild and look for the Ford tag.
The windshield is in so the tag is probably there.
Anyone can do that for you. That will probably tell you everything that you need to know. That number now can be cross referenced.
At first glance I would say Mustang with Shelby Fiberglas. Don't see a roll bar.
could be only the front 1/2 is shelby
Can't see the 4 rivet holes for the hood pin plates.
Hard to tell by the pics but would the 4 pin holes in the dash match up to a Shelby emblem? They appear to match up to this NOS but the angle could be deceiving. Do any of the reg Mustang dash emblems used have this hole pattern? It appears they don't.
Quote from: Royce Peterson on March 29, 2021, 11:44:30 AM
Anyone who believes that there is a VIN stamped in the trunk area is not too bright.
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 29, 2021, 10:50:51 AM
There was always "talk" of a third number in the trunk that one needed to drill a hole through the trunk floor to see but as of this date, no one that I know of has ever confirmed that it existed.
It was mentioned in Ford documentation and could just be a misinterpretation of other information provided to State Police Departments?
I believe there IS a hidden VIN on the early Mustangs after watching a TV Show where Three Teams would buy a Car out of a Junk Yard to flip. They were each given a certain amount of money to spend and they had one week. The Team that made the most Money from their Car won. This Team bought a 66 Mustang Coupe out of a Junk Yard to flip and one member was thinking the whole time the Mustang was stolen because the VIN's were gone, so the rest of the Team decided to call the Cops to check. They talked with the Cops about a possible hidden VIN and the Cops said every Car has a hidden VIN. Everyone was sent out of the Garage and the doors closed, about 30 minutes later the two Cops came out and said YES, the Mustang had been reported Stolen and they had to take it. That Team lost.
Well every car would have a hidden Vin so many assy line workers over time would have stamped that Vin. So how come I have never heard from any of them saying this was done? I have my original metal vert media blasted and I put it on a rotisserie back around 2000. I checked all over for any numbers as I restored it top to bottom detailing everything and actually over restoring the bottom(body color). So am I to assume that the cops can come in and drill a hole and find a complete or mostly partial VIN on my car? Gary
A bit off the original topic but I think most officers today don't really know where to look for vins on old Mustangs.
When I've need a few verified in the past I usually have to educate the officer. Just my experience tho.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on March 30, 2021, 09:03:46 AM
Well every car would have a hidden Vin so many assy line workers over time would have stamped that Vin. So how come I have never heard from any of them saying this was done? I have my original metal vert media blasted and I put it on a rotisserie back around 2000. I checked all over for any numbers as I restored it top to bottom detailing everything and actually over restoring the bottom(body color). So am I to assume that the cops can come in and drill a hole and find a complete or mostly partial VIN on my car? Gary
I have to agree with this. There have been thousands of 1st generation mustangs that have dissected, panel by panel, stripped to bare metal and built back up. If there were ever any hidden VIN's someone would have found them by now.
Supposedly it is lightly stamped inside on of the rear chassis rails. I believe that it begins in the '68 model year.
It does not show through with any transparency like the front aprons do.
I can not confirm this but have had State Police tell me that yes it exits.
You at the time, needed some kind of security clearance to see it since the Police did not want the information out in the public domain.
You just proved my comment is dead on.
Quote from: tesgt350 on March 30, 2021, 07:13:52 AM
Quote from: Royce Peterson on March 29, 2021, 11:44:30 AM
Anyone who believes that there is a VIN stamped in the trunk area is not too bright.
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 29, 2021, 10:50:51 AM
There was always "talk" of a third number in the trunk that one needed to drill a hole through the trunk floor to see but as of this date, no one that I know of has ever confirmed that it existed.
It was mentioned in Ford documentation and could just be a misinterpretation of other information provided to State Police Departments?
I believe there IS a hidden VIN on the early Mustangs after watching a TV Show where Three Teams would buy a Car out of a Junk Yard to flip. They were each given a certain amount of money to spend and they had one week. The Team that made the most Money from their Car won. This Team bought a 66 Mustang Coupe out of a Junk Yard to flip and one member was thinking the whole time the Mustang was stolen because the VIN's were gone, so the rest of the Team decided to call the Cops to check. They talked with the Cops about a possible hidden VIN and the Cops said every Car has a hidden VIN. Everyone was sent out of the Garage and the doors closed, about 30 minutes later the two Cops came out and said YES, the Mustang had been reported Stolen and they had to take it. That Team lost.
There is not a secret vin number stamped anywhere on a mustang/shelby, the only body stamped vin numbers are on both front inner fender aprons.
Post the vin of this car and all the questions will be answered.
P.S. In the past he N.I.C.B. published a cheat sheet that showed the location of vin/hidden vins on vehicles, that's where police departments got that information from in the first place.
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 30, 2021, 10:49:34 AM
Supposedly it is lightly stamped inside on of the rear chassis rails. I believe that it begins in the '68 model year.
It does not show through with any transparency like the front aprons do.
I can not confirm this but have had State Police tell me that yes it exits.
You at the time, needed some kind of security clearance to see it since the Police did not want the information out in the public domain.
again my car above was media blasted and the underside was real clean in the areas you mentioned. If you can provide a pic of the approximate areas you are referring to I'll get my friends all original California car up on a lift and look for those numbers in the areas you provide. My vert I spent 6 months on a rotisserie perfecting the underside getting rid of dents and any metal pitting(none in the rear frame areas). Pic below is the outer rear frame rail on one side of the B9 I mentioned. So look on the other side? Or do you mean the inside of the rails which are impossible to see unless you cut the car up? If that was the case it would be impossible to stamp the INSIDE of the rail because it is "U" shaped and no way to stamp once formed from a blank.
Its like a BIGFOOT sighting... One time, someone, saw one, somewhere, ;D The young police inspectors, DMV inspectors, and Mustang experts cant find it. Certainly no one with a sawzall, hole saw is not getting anywhere near that area without considering possibly losing their life over that number. Might be there, Like Morrisons car it might show up... ;D
QuoteEveryone was sent out of the Garage and the doors closed, about 30 minutes later the two Cops came out and said YES, the Mustang had been reported Stolen and they had to take it. That Team lost.
The question is which cop's house did it go to??? :o ;)
TOB
I have never witnessed a secret Vin on a mustang.
I will say this, when I was dealing heavily in Dodge, Cuda etc, hemi or 6 pack for the most part;
A dear friend in Ca told me of a secret vin on Cuda's and other Mopar.
trunk rain gutter, drivers side if i recall.
There are other stamped locations, but FEW experts knew about the rain gutter numbers.
John
Quote from: Harris Speedster on March 31, 2021, 08:46:56 AM
I have never witnessed a secret Vin on a mustang.
I will say this, when I was dealing heavily in Dodge, Cuda etc, hemi or 6 pack for the most part;
A dear friend in Ca told me of a secret vin on Cuda's and other Mopar.
trunk rain gutter, drivers side if i recall.
There are other stamped locations, but FEW experts knew about the rain gutter numbers.
John
Well the watchers of Graveyard Carz know of all the stamped areas. They regularly show them on the cars. Usually pull WS back on the trunk area(some cars?) to reveal the number. Also on the cowl and core support IIRC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HesnbGaB9s
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on March 31, 2021, 07:56:36 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 30, 2021, 10:49:34 AM
Supposedly it is lightly stamped inside on of the rear chassis rails. I believe that it begins in the '68 model year.
It does not show through with any transparency like the front aprons do.
I can not confirm this but have had State Police tell me that yes it exits.
You at the time, needed some kind of security clearance to see it since the Police did not want the information out in the public domain.
again my car above was media blasted and the underside was real clean in the areas you mentioned. If you can provide a pic of the approximate areas you are referring to I'll get my friends all original California car up on a lift and look for those numbers in the areas you provide. My vert I spent 6 months on a rotisserie perfecting the underside getting rid of dents and any metal pitting(none in the rear frame areas). Pic below is the outer rear frame rail on one side of the B9 I mentioned. So look on the other side? Or do you mean the inside of the rails which are impossible to see unless you cut the car up? If that was the case it would be impossible to stamp the INSIDE of the rail because it is "U" shaped and no way to stamp once formed from a blank.
It isn't information that I have. It is information that I was TOLD ABOUT.
A SHEET of paper was flashed in front of me and I was not allowed to copy it. This was somewhere in the 1977-8 time frame. My recollection of my reaction was, "ok, so what?" and went on with my business of the day which obviously was picking up a bunch of service parts.
I can't find my car keys now. You want me to remember verbaden what the sheet said? Sure. OK. ;)
It was as if I needed a security clearance to see it. It's interesting that no one else had ever produced a copy of the sheet after all of these years which suggests that maybe it was a hoax to begin with but in this case, you can't prove a negative.
John on the mopar B-bodys there is a serial # in the trunk rain gutter BUT not in the E body smaller cars the #s are stamped in the cowl and the rad support area. I looked at a (supposedly 70 440 6-pack V code shaker cuda) at BJ auction last week that got pulled and inspected by Dave Wise BJs mopar expert inspector after grinding off bondo that covered the original #s and the v-code E -body fake body codes were stamped on top of bondo and painted over in the cowl area. Jason Billups inspects the fords and Jerry Macness does GM cars before the auction on lifts. Years ago i inspected a shelby vert that was a poorly restored rebodied in canada shelby and sold in the USA of which causes many lawyer problems when crossing the border. On a mustang there are certain things to look for on a Dual exhaust mustang of which all shelbys started out being built as and especially on a vert dual exhaust verts are harder and more expensive to find so the guy who rebodied the shelby vert did it with a much cheaper single exhaust vert. So now u know why the buyer THOUGHT he got a good deal !!
ED,
I totally agree, I did know about the other # locations.
But the one in the trunk rain gutter is not commonly known.
Mopar guys are like shelby guys, jag guys, RR guys and others, we all keep people as honest as we can, good clubs>>>
So, to get back on topic, has the O.P. given the VIN yet?
I have had these cars farther apart than almost ford I have never seen anything other than cowl tag engine and trans stamping and front aprons / this includes cars that were cut apart and then dipped / or blasted inside and out ..... there may have been vins in crayon on bodys but that would be impossible to find without soda blasting.
Quote from: Special Ed on March 31, 2021, 10:00:06 AM
John on the mopar B-bodys there is a serial # in the trunk rain gutter BUT not in the E body smaller cars the #s are stamped in the cowl and the rad support area. I looked at a (supposedly 70 440 6-pack V code shaker cuda) at BJ auction last week that got pulled and inspected by Dave Wise BJs mopar expert inspector after grinding off bondo that covered the original #s and the v-code E -body fake body codes were stamped on top of bondo and painted over in the cowl area. Jason Billups inspects the fords and Jerry Macness does GM cars before the auction on lifts. Years ago i inspected a shelby vert that was a poorly restored rebodied in canada shelby and sold in the USA of which causes many lawyer problems when crossing the border. On a mustang there are certain things to look for on a Dual exhaust mustang of which all shelbys started out being built as and especially on a vert dual exhaust verts are harder and more expensive to find so the guy who rebodied the shelby vert did it with a much cheaper single exhaust vert. So now u know why the buyer THOUGHT he got a good deal !!
On Goldbergs black 6 pack Cuda Worman showed the cowl and core support numbers. The video I supplied above was a B-body and core support and trunk area. Probably should have been more clear than IIRC comment. LOL. Gary
No big deal Shelbyman, all in the spirit of research and documenting.
Little off topic:
Mustangs and Shelby's that went to Belgium, had entirely new serial numbers stamped into the body aprons.
Just an oddity that Mr Vinnie knows about too.
Quote from: Harris Speedster on March 31, 2021, 12:38:24 PM
No big deal Shelbyman, all in the spirit of research and documenting.
Little off topic:
Mustangs and Shelby's that went to Belgium, had entirely new serial numbers stamped into the body aprons.
Just an oddity that Mr Vinnie knows about too.
I got this from a friend, this is a T5 tag placed over the LH apron stamping.
jim p
Quote from: Cobrask8 on March 31, 2021, 11:49:41 AM
So, to get back on topic, has the O.P. given the VIN yet?
Hello Dan, Earl here (former VP NorCal a few years back, SAAC35) long time no see. Anyway I'm the O.P.
Well, first and foremost. This car is Very Bad News. I went and saw the car yesterday. The owner had cleared the area around the car somewhat. Upon inspection with some guidance from CoralSnake, I went looking for VINs. Unfortunately ALL the numbers have been either removed or cut out! I checked both inner fender locations. Both were cut out. I even unbolted the passenger fender. Big rectangle section removed from each inner fender. I scraped the primer off the lower corners of the windshield. No number plate, no stamped numbers. Nothing. I checked both sides. Zippo.
Buck tags? Not a chance, as with the door tags. All gone.
I was floored. I've never seen that and thought, what a shame...waste of car.
I spoke with the owner. This will be a DMV nightmare if not get confiscated by the police if he attempts to somehow register it.
As bizarre as it is, there were even patch metal pieces to be welded in (see pic) what would that have done? Other than fill the holes. The only thing that he can do with the car (as far as I was concerned) was turn it into a pure track or race car. I told him he was going to have a tough time selling it real Shelby Mustang or Not.
My gut on the car is that it's not a real one as the "fiberglass Shelby pieces" back sides were fiberglass "chop" indicating reproduction pieces put on a fastback Mustang. But it did have a stock appearing 9" rear and dual exhaust hangers. Rear fenders had small flairs.
All in all, that ended my interest in this car. I wouldn't touch this one with a 10 foot pole.
So now you all know.
Cheers,
~Earl J
More pics,
Note 3rd pic, inside of trunk, tail light panel cutouts? Are these cuts correct?
My thinking is someone was/had built a clone.
I'm also thinking this car was stolen.
~E
Earl,
Thanks very much for the update. Answered many of our questions. And indeed a waste of a car. Probably explains why it's been sitting.
Back in the 1980's, I remember a Red 1986 Shelby at the Englishtown Car Show with changed VIN numbers. Can't remember exactly, but the vehicle ID part of the VIN was a High digit (70's or 80's ) Two digit number. No one wanted to tell her the car was questionable.
It has shock tower reinforcements and the rear panel cutouts kind of look right, although not a good pic.
Would be worth a closer look, although a guessing game when it comes to ID'ing the car. Should be able to date the body based on sheet metal and component date stamps. I'd agree that it might be best as a track/race car. Wonder if it was one of those cars from the outfit that was doing eleanors and got in big trouble for VIN tampering.
Quote from: 427hunter on March 30, 2021, 11:28:18 AM
P.S. In the past he N.I.C.B. published a cheat sheet that showed the location of vin/hidden vins on vehicles, that's where police departments got that information from in the first place.
These were small approx. 4x6" books held together with a couple of staples published each year. Have copies from the 60's through mid-70's versions my father left me. They are about 150 pages in length. He was an auto thief detective for years for a decent size metro department
Shows locations and break down of codes and VINs
Quote from: J_Speegle on March 31, 2021, 10:33:20 PM
Quote from: 427hunter on March 30, 2021, 11:28:18 AM
P.S. In the past he N.I.C.B. published a cheat sheet that showed the location of vin/hidden vins on vehicles, that's where police departments got that information from in the first place.
These were small approx. 4x6" books held together with a couple of staples published each year. Have copies from the 60's through mid-70's versions my father left me. They are about 150 pages in length. He was an auto thief detective for years for a decent size metro department
Shows locations and break down of codes and VINs
Yes, they issued them into the 90's - a little known fact, the N.I.C.B. has a list of every vin of every make and what original equipment went with that vin. If you remember the news a few years back a guy was busted selling a fake hemi cuda, the vin was the correct R for hemi and all the body sequential numbers matched, question arose from the engine which was found to have a restamped vin - but was sold as original. The buyer believed he was defrauded and reported it to the police. The police contacted the N.I.C.B. who checked the sequential number they had on file and found the cuda started life as an N code 383 car. It would be nice if they made the vin information public.
Quote from: Harris Speedster on March 31, 2021, 12:38:24 PM
No big deal Shelbyman, all in the spirit of research and documenting.
Little off topic:
Mustangs and Shelby's that went to Belgium, had entirely new serial numbers stamped into the body aprons.
Just an oddity that Mr Vinnie knows about too.
I have known that for 36 years. They should also have a plate mounted off the apron if sold by Claude . :)
Quote from: SFM5S000 on March 31, 2021, 05:22:13 PM
More pics,
Note 3rd pic, inside of trunk, tail light panel cutouts? Are these cuts correct?
My thinking is someone was/had built a clone.
I'm also thinking this car was stolen.
~E
looking at pic number 2 I see what appears to be the hole for the wiring clip on the front of the passengers shock tower. With the torched access holes for grease fittings it would appear original shock towers possibly even though the spot green painting is weird at best. Could these both be clues along with the dual exhaust hangers and what appears to be correct cutouts in the rear panel(closer inspection like Charles said) that this car at one time could have been a KR or later Shelby that could have gotten the wraparound shock towers?? The clue to me is the hole in the shock tower. Did regular Mustangs have a hole there? The underside looks rusted real bad so maybe a car pulled from a salvage yard with no title and was being brought back to life hence the numbers being cut out? Roll bar gone? Shelby pieces gone? Isnt this a Shelby specific bracket in the lower right corner of the pic? Just an observation.
Definitely does look like an original 60's Shelby production line shovel in that picture. That looks more after market to me.
QSS
Ford did make a winter snow shovel kit as i got one here still in an old ford box yet that i found long ago in either a canada or northern USA old ford dealerships and the shovel was a take down version that fit in the trunk. When u see snow shovels and snow blowers in garages u need to really watch for rust problems HAHA!
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 01, 2021, 06:00:44 AM
Quote from: SFM5S000 on March 31, 2021, 05:22:13 PM
More pics,
Note 3rd pic, inside of trunk, tail light panel cutouts? Are these cuts correct?
My thinking is someone was/had built a clone.
I'm also thinking this car was stolen.
~E
looking at pic number 2 I see what appears to be the hole for the wiring clip on the front of the passengers shock tower. With the torched access holes for grease fittings it would appear original shock towers possibly even though the spot green painting is weird at best. Could these both be clues along with the dual exhaust hangers and what appears to be correct cutouts in the rear panel(closer inspection like Charles said) that this car at one time could have been a KR or later Shelby that could have gotten the wraparound shock towers?? The clue to me is the hole in the shock tower. Did regular Mustangs have a hole there? The underside looks rusted real bad so maybe a car pulled from a salvage yard with no title and was being brought back to life hence the numbers being cut out? Roll bar gone? Shelby pieces gone? Isnt this a Shelby specific bracket in the lower right corner of the pic? Just an observation.
A 390 mustang in 68 would have the shock tower reinforcements, the most logical conclusion on this vehicle regular mustang or not is that it was stolen.
If it was a shelby start going through the registry looking for stolen 68's from that area or the surrounding states.
The trunk panel is indeed a clue.
Original cars had circular cut-outs, and the metal cups behind. Nothing here.
Quote from: 427hunter on April 01, 2021, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 01, 2021, 06:00:44 AM
Quote from: SFM5S000 on March 31, 2021, 05:22:13 PM
More pics,
Note 3rd pic, inside of trunk, tail light panel cutouts? Are these cuts correct?
My thinking is someone was/had built a clone.
I'm also thinking this car was stolen.
~E
looking at pic number 2 I see what appears to be the hole for the wiring clip on the front of the passengers shock tower. With the torched access holes for grease fittings it would appear original shock towers possibly even though the spot green painting is weird at best. Could these both be clues along with the dual exhaust hangers and what appears to be correct cutouts in the rear panel(closer inspection like Charles said) that this car at one time could have been a KR or later Shelby that could have gotten the wraparound shock towers?? The clue to me is the hole in the shock tower. Did regular Mustangs have a hole there? The underside looks rusted real bad so maybe a car pulled from a salvage yard with no title and was being brought back to life hence the numbers being cut out? Roll bar gone? Shelby pieces gone? Isnt this a Shelby specific bracket in the lower right corner of the pic? Just an observation.
A 390 mustang in 68 would have the shock tower reinforcements, the most logical conclusion on this vehicle regular mustang or not is that it was stolen.
If it was a shelby start going through the registry looking for stolen 68's from that area or the surrounding states.
428CJ cars but don't think 390s in 1968. I had a 390 Bullitt later car with the normal towers in it. again that hole in the shock tower for the SW gauge wiring is something I wouldn't expect to find on a regular mustang nor the upper grill mounting plate
Quote from: Cobrask8 on April 01, 2021, 02:01:23 PM
The trunk panel is indeed a clue.
Original cars had circular cut-outs, and the metal cups behind. Nothing here.
yeah, like this for most cars. (cups not mounted right).
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 01, 2021, 02:01:34 PM
Quote from: 427hunter on April 01, 2021, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 01, 2021, 06:00:44 AM
Quote from: SFM5S000 on March 31, 2021, 05:22:13 PM
More pics,
Note 3rd pic, inside of trunk, tail light panel cutouts? Are these cuts correct?
My thinking is someone was/had built a clone.
I'm also thinking this car was stolen.
~E
looking at pic number 2 I see what appears to be the hole for the wiring clip on the front of the passengers shock tower. With the torched access holes for grease fittings it would appear original shock towers possibly even though the spot green painting is weird at best. Could these both be clues along with the dual exhaust hangers and what appears to be correct cutouts in the rear panel(closer inspection like Charles said) that this car at one time could have been a KR or later Shelby that could have gotten the wraparound shock towers?? The clue to me is the hole in the shock tower. Did regular Mustangs have a hole there? The underside looks rusted real bad so maybe a car pulled from a salvage yard with no title and was being brought back to life hence the numbers being cut out? Roll bar gone? Shelby pieces gone? Isnt this a Shelby specific bracket in the lower right corner of the pic? Just an observation.
A 390 mustang in 68 would have the shock tower reinforcements, the most logical conclusion on this vehicle regular mustang or not is that it was stolen.
If it was a shelby start going through the registry looking for stolen 68's from that area or the surrounding states.
428CJ cars but don't think 390s in 1968. I had a 390 Bullitt later car with the normal towers in it. again that hole in the shock tower for the SW gauge wiring is something I wouldn't expect to find on a regular mustang nor the upper grill mounting plate
When the CJ became available (mid production) all big block 390/428 mustangs got the reinforced shock towers.
also has screwed hood seal not stapled / i think it is multiple cars / cowl area is not flattened in area of export brace .
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When the CJ became available (mid production) all big block 390/428 mustangs got the reinforced shock towers.
[/quote] Thanks. I'll check my Marti to see when my 68 was built(original late style quarter panels non wrap around shock towers)