I currently have a Shelby style aluminum oil pan on a FE block. Included with this installation is a separate windage tray that runs the full length of the engine and is installed with its own gasket prior to the installation of the oil pan.
I want to remove the aluminum oil pan and replace it with a Scott Drake steel reproduction oil pan. The Scott Drake oil pan has a small windage tray welded inside the pan.
Do I keep the extra full length windage tray or eliminate the full length windage tray when I make this change in oil pans?.
Quote from: RSOHC on February 18, 2021, 11:18:03 PM
I currently have a Shelby style aluminum oil pan on a FE block. Included with this installation is a separate windage tray that runs the full length of the engine and is installed with its own gasket prior to the installation of the oil pan.
I want to remove the aluminum oil pan and replace it with a Scott Drake steel reproduction oil pan. The Scott Drake oil pan has a small windage tray welded inside the pan.
Do I keep the extra full length windage tray or eliminate the full length windage tray when I make this change in oil pans?.
68 GT500 or GT500 KR did not use the windage tray from the factory. With that said 69/70 used a windage tray with the stock oil pan . So if you want to use it on your 68 with a stock oilpan you can. Just do so knowing it is not like assemblyline . You can tell by the stacked oilpan gasket profile if a engine has one or not. If that doesn't matter to you then go for it.
My engine is a 1964 vintage 427.
Quote from: RSOHC on February 18, 2021, 11:47:40 PM
My engine is a 1964 vintage 427.
It really doesn't matter which FE you have. The SCJ widage tray is an add on. Just install it.
You want to decide which dipstick that you have and determine how many quarts of oil you have in the pan.
The dipstick was recalibrated at the time the windage tray was added to the FE lineup in order to add more oil to the oil pan around that time. I'd suggest that you use the recalibrated dipstick and run the extra oil.
I'm not an expert on the dipsticks by any stretch of the immagination although there are some here so if you need help on that, start another thread and ask.
Special Ed has chimed in since he seems to have a complete variety of originals to compare to so he's a good source of information, amongst others. ;)
The c9zz windage tray was a 69 -70 428 cj and scj part and the dipstick was different than 67-68 428 dipstick . The easy way to tell is 67-68 had FOMOCO stamp and 69-70 has ford stamp with more writing and different oil level marks because of another oil pan gasket and windage tray added in 69-70 making the oil pan installed lower on the block. There were 3 minor running changes on the c9zz windage tray in 69 and its the cutout area up by the dipstick opening got bigger for more clearance. The new c9zz oil pan came out in 69 and it had a smaller lower baffle spotwelded down lower in bottom of oil pan than the 67-68 c6oz oil pan. The new c9zz oil pan was designed (i think) to be used with the new c9zz windage tray BUT (from my research anyway) for some reason the new c9zz oil pan dont start showing up till late 69 and 70 428 cj scj production. So either ford was using up the c6oz oilpans or the new c9zz oil pan was late making into production not sure anybody else know why?
Does the Ford dipstick tube change or just the dipsticks?
Which dipstick goes with which oil pan and which one with the windage tray?
No difference in dipstick tubes. Read what Ed posted it is 100% accurate.
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 19, 2021, 10:40:30 AM
Does the Ford dipstick tube change or just the dipsticks?
Which dipstick goes with which oil pan and which one with the windage tray?
Quote from: RSOHC on February 18, 2021, 11:47:40 PM
My engine is a 1964 vintage 427.
It should not be a problem and the same info holds true. Posting in the 68 Shelby category leads readers to assume the discussion is about that year car/parts unless information provided suggests otherwise.
I have some extra assembly line FOMCO 67-68 gt500 & kr & 68 1/2 cj dipsticks to sell if needed $125.00 and up depending on condition. These 67-68 dipstick have not been repoed as the repos are the later type service dipsticks with wrong oil fill markings for 67-68 that dont use windage trays.
My dip stick has a chrome handle and has the numbers C70E-6750-A M stamped on the stick. Pictures are attached.
I was thinking of using a straight edge across the bottom of the block with the dip stick in place and marking the dip stick for the full condition.
That is the service part OR the current Scott Drake reproduction part.
What model car do you have? The original 67 GT500 part is painted black. I think it's C7AE.
Here are two more pictures.
The distance from the tip of the dip stick to the bottom of "Add" is about 1 inch.
The distance from the tip of the dip stick to the top of "Add" and bottom of "Safe" is about 2 inches.
The distance from the tip of the dip stick to the bottom of "Safe" is about 2.75 inches.
The distance from the tip of the dip stick to the top of the tube is about 20 inches.
The part number for the Scott Drake oil pan is C60Z-6675-A.
The car is a 1968 fastback GT500.
RSOHC,
I would keep the factory windage tray with the Scott Drake pan. Keeping the oil in the "sump" separated from the spinning crank is a good thing. Some higher end pans have trap doors and their own trays but not in your case.
Do I need to buy a dip stick from Special Ed or am I ok with the dip stick I am currently using?
Special Ed please email me at "lauranlhoward@live.com" and let me know the availability and price of the correct dip stick if I need a replacement.
Like i said my assembly line 67-68 gt 500 & KR chrome dipsticks are 100% concours correct if not useing an added windage tray that u can see when looking under the engine if u are doing a concours restoration. I just sold one to a CA guy for his 67 gt500 and i got a few left show driver to rechromed originals and a couple of new take offs as i been collecting the NON dimpled originals for 40 years after seeing the nos service replacements had the noticeable dimple just above the bell that can be seen and i used to point that out in past judging of cars to other car guys who want to be correct but the main thing is u need to have the correct dipstick so oil level is correct in either the gt500 67-68 -KR-68 1/2 cj c6oz oil pan or the factory gt500 69-70 windage tray setup that the oil level marks are different on than 67-68 -kr- 68 1/2 cj cars. The 69-70 428cj factory windage tray and another needed oil pan gasket will lower the oil pan about 3/16'' of an inch so the oil level marks will be in different locations on the dipstick. The windage tray is sandwiched between 2 oil pan gaskets in 69-70 cj -scjs.
Special Ed
I am working on a street driven car and am need of a dip stick that will tell me the correct amount of oil in the engine.
It sounds like you have many choices.
Do you have a dip stick that will meet that need with the extra windage tray? If so, is there a range of conditions for the dip sticks?
What is price for a dip stick that meets my need?
Special Ed
What is the part number for the dip stick that I need?
c7oe-6750-a FOMOCO stamped 67-68 no windage tray.
Quote from: Special Ed on February 19, 2021, 10:27:04 PM
c7oe-6750-a FOMOCO stamped 67-68 no windage tray.
Is that chrome or painted?
chrome like big block shelbys GTs mach 1s cougars torinos etc,
How do I purchase a dip stick?
Quote from: RSOHC on February 20, 2021, 02:01:30 PM
How do I purchase a dip stick?
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sdk-c7oe-6750-a
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-1970-Mustang-428-Cj-Gt-390-Chrome-Dip-Stick-C7OE-A/373097331224?hash=item56de557a18:g:8twAAOSwyz5e-Qdc
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-70-Mustang-Shelby-NEW-Exact-Reproduction-Big-Block-V8-Dip-Stick-Tube/333893053789?hash=item4dbd93ad5d:g:A4cAAOSwEV5f41~9
Those 3 are repos and service replacement 69-70 type and i was talking about rectangular FOMOCO stamped 67-68 type NOT ford oval later type 69-70 oil level markings that use windage tray.
Quote from: Special Ed on February 20, 2021, 07:16:00 PM
Those 3 are repos and service replacement 69-70 type and i was talking about rectangular FOMOCO stamped 67-68 type NOT ford oval later type 69-70 oil level markings that use windage tray.
Well, the O.P. Has asked 3 times with no answer so I tossed up a solution that might help.
I called him and sending him photos of my dipsticks
I have not received a phone call or an email.
I just called him
My phone number is 1-831-455-0439 in California. I have not yet received a phone call or email.
ok sorry i just sent photos to a guy in PA that wanted dipstick also didnt know where u lived. I got several of these dipsticks to sell depending on condition.
Please send me pictures and prices. My email is lauranlhoward@live.com.
I have received a call from Ed and we determined that I already have the correct dip stick supplied by Tony Branda.
yes he is adding windage tray so he needs 69-70 type dipsticks that have been repoed.