I can't find a picture or data information on anything earlier then a '68. Anyone have anything they can post here please?
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 09:02:20 AM
I can't find a picture or data information on anything earlier then a '68. Anyone have anything they can post here please?
They are basically the same as the 68 but with the 67 axle tag information substituted. Jack at Dead Nuts On can have them made up . You will need to push him a little . I have already talked to him about the need recently and encouraged him to get going on it.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 30, 2021, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 09:02:20 AM
I can't find a picture or data information on anything earlier then a '68. Anyone have anything they can post here please?
They are basically the same as the 68 but with the 67 axle tag information substituted. Jack at Dead Nuts On can have them made up . You will need to push him a little . I have already talked to him about the need recently and encouraged him to get going on it.
I know it's the same info as on the tag but I don't know how that is placed and what it should look like?
Have you actually seen '67s with labels that you think are original?
I actually remember my '68 had one and for some reason I don't recall, I remember scraping it off when I was installing a new exhaust system? Kids? ::)
From my picture collection of these from many of the years they appear to have been wrapped around the rearend housing on the drivers side - basically around the section that would end up being under the inboard axle U bolt or very close to that location.
Many colors of paper were used though the years for these labels for 67 and our applications here it appears that the paper was white with black print. Like all of the there is an identification code that is printed horizontally on the paper that repeats is self over and over again. Label appears to be taken from a large roll of them and applied by a worker
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 30, 2021, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 09:02:20 AM
I can't find a picture or data information on anything earlier then a '68. Anyone have anything they can post here please?
They are basically the same as the 68 but with the 67 axle tag information substituted. Jack at Dead Nuts On can have them made up . You will need to push him a little . I have already talked to him about the need recently and encouraged him to get going on it.
I know it's the same info as on the tag but I don't know how that is placed and what it should look like?
Have you actually seen '67s with labels that you think are original?
I actually remember my '68 had one and for some reason I don't recall, I remember scraping it off when I was installing a new exhaust system? Kids? ::)
I have seen others on 67 but I took the original off of 0001 and had it remade . First by myself and wasn't satisfied,second I sent the original to Kevin Marti and after some time and no news I called to check on it and found that he had lost my original. Fortunately I saved copies. I then had it made up by the guy that Jack eventually started using to make them up. That is how I know Jack can do them.I would just as soon see you get them through him.If someone else wants to step up and do them more power to them however I would feel guilty if I contributed to undermining Jack's effort. I hope you understand my position.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 30, 2021, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 30, 2021, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 09:02:20 AM
I can't find a picture or data information on anything earlier then a '68. Anyone have anything they can post here please?
They are basically the same as the 68 but with the 67 axle tag information substituted. Jack at Dead Nuts On can have them made up . You will need to push him a little . I have already talked to him about the need recently and encouraged him to get going on it.
I know it's the same info as on the tag but I don't know how that is placed and what it should look like?
Have you actually seen '67s with labels that you think are original?
I actually remember my '68 had one and for some reason I don't recall, I remember scraping it off when I was installing a new exhaust system? Kids? ::)
I have seen others on 67 but I took the original off of 0001 and had it remade . First by myself and wasn't satisfied,second I sent the original to Kevin Marti and after some time and no news I called to check on it and found that he had lost my original. Fortunately I saved copies. I then had it made up by the guy that Jack eventually started using to make them up. That is how I know Jack can do them.I would just as soon see you get them through him.If someone else wants to step up and do them more power to them however I would feel guilty if I contributed to undermining Jack's effort. I hope you understand my position.
I'm ok with staying with your guy within reason. How many years are you waiting? Time is a'waistin'. 8)
Considering computers, scanners, printers and editing software it's within realm for individuals to do their own IF we know what they should look like? ;)
Not to be critical but I wouldn't let the original out of my site. A good copy is a different story.
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 30, 2021, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 30, 2021, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 09:02:20 AM
I can't find a picture or data information on anything earlier then a '68. Anyone have anything they can post here please?
They are basically the same as the 68 but with the 67 axle tag information substituted. Jack at Dead Nuts On can have them made up . You will need to push him a little . I have already talked to him about the need recently and encouraged him to get going on it.
I know it's the same info as on the tag but I don't know how that is placed and what it should look like?
Have you actually seen '67s with labels that you think are original?
I actually remember my '68 had one and for some reason I don't recall, I remember scraping it off when I was installing a new exhaust system? Kids? ::)
I have seen others on 67 but I took the original off of 0001 and had it remade . First by myself and wasn't satisfied,second I sent the original to Kevin Marti and after some time and no news I called to check on it and found that he had lost my original. Fortunately I saved copies. I then had it made up by the guy that Jack eventually started using to make them up. That is how I know Jack can do them.I would just as soon see you get them through him.If someone else wants to step up and do them more power to them however I would feel guilty if I contributed to undermining Jack's effort. I hope you understand my position.
I'm ok with staying with your guy within reason. How many years are you waiting? Time is a'waistin'. 8)
Considering computers, scanners, printers and editing software it's within realm for individuals to do their own IF we know what they should look like? ;)
Not to be critical but I wouldn't let the original out of my site. A good copy is a different story.
I don't need one so it is not me needing to apply pressure. Someone else will have to have the will. As I said before more power to them if someone else wants to do them they will just have to succeed without my input for reasons I mentioned before. When I let my original be borrowed it was as a prerequisite that it would only be done if a original was supplied because back in the day 91/92 it was not recognized as something that came on the cars and I was convincing a stubborn individual who was and still is a friend so I didn't see much risk.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 30, 2021, 02:56:36 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 30, 2021, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 30, 2021, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 09:02:20 AM
I can't find a picture or data information on anything earlier then a '68. Anyone have anything they can post here please?
They are basically the same as the 68 but with the 67 axle tag information substituted. Jack at Dead Nuts On can have them made up . You will need to push him a little . I have already talked to him about the need recently and encouraged him to get going on it.
I know it's the same info as on the tag but I don't know how that is placed and what it should look like?
Have you actually seen '67s with labels that you think are original?
I actually remember my '68 had one and for some reason I don't recall, I remember scraping it off when I was installing a new exhaust system? Kids? ::)
I have seen others on 67 but I took the original off of 0001 and had it remade . First by myself and wasn't satisfied,second I sent the original to Kevin Marti and after some time and no news I called to check on it and found that he had lost my original. Fortunately I saved copies. I then had it made up by the guy that Jack eventually started using to make them up. That is how I know Jack can do them.I would just as soon see you get them through him.If someone else wants to step up and do them more power to them however I would feel guilty if I contributed to undermining Jack's effort. I hope you understand my position.
I'm ok with staying with your guy within reason. How many years are you waiting? Time is a'waistin'. 8)
Considering computers, scanners, printers and editing software it's within realm for individuals to do their own IF we know what they should look like? ;)
Not to be critical but I wouldn't let the original out of my site. A good copy is a different story.
I don't need one so it is not me needing to apply pressure. Someone else will have to have the will. As I said before more power to them if someone else wants to do them they will just have to succeed without my input for reasons I mentioned before. When I let my original be borrowed it was as a prerequisite that it would only be done if a original was supplied because back in the day 91/92 it was not recognized as something that came on the cars and I was convincing a stubborn individual who was and still is a friend so I didn't see much risk.
Wow. You are VERY patient to wait 29 years?
I heard a story/joke the other day about a guy moving into a new place and finding a shoe repair ticket, 30 years old.
He recognized the name of the shop and it seemed to still be in business and was curious. So the next day he brought the claim ticket to the shop and handed it to the owner. The guy went in the back to look and came back in a few minutes and said, "they will be ready next week. Come back then".
Yeah right I was going to wait 29 years. ::) In my case it was only a couple of years after my original was lost that I found a source that made them better then I could. The guy that does them was not motivated for production until Jack got him fired to do them for him. He had only been interested in doing them for the 69/70 cars for a few that knew him because those were the only cars he had examples for.
I had this tag made by Dead nuts on about 5 years ago . I ordered two of them in case I needed a spare. This is a 68 1/2 Mustang GT Cobra Jet 3.91 tag. The quarter in the picture is for size reference. The other photo is my 68 1/2 Torino GT Cobra Jet rear axle. On this car, the tag was located under the outer U bolt (The one on the right in the photo). Sorry the picture is upside down. If it were right side up it would be the one on the left. I removed a remnant of it but I have to find that piece. If you look close, you can still see a bit of the paper still there. Also a 3.91 gear car.
What is the information on the label?
From what I can make out, the same as the new one .
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 30, 2021, 08:11:14 PM
What is the information on the label?
Believe you will find it it the axle code. In the example above there is some addition designs not found on all examples of these labels
Can understand Jack's hesitation since I think we would all see correct labels rather than incorrect ones due top lack of documented original examples
Made out of paper without a protective coating they we're designed to last more that a few months in good locations
About 10 years ago, I was privileged to have a small tour Of National Parts Depot's Warehouse in Florida. They have a lot of very low mileage cars in there. I was looking at a Green 68 Torino GT 302 Fastback that if I remember correctly has less than 10 miles on it . I wish I took some photos of the underside because if any car has an intact tag on it it would probably be that one. If someone lives in Florida near NPD, If they can get some detail photos of these cars, It would probably help greatly!
Quote from: 68stangcjfb on January 30, 2021, 08:37:04 PM
About 10 years ago, I was privileged to have a small tour Of National Parts Depot's Warehouse in Florida. They have a lot of very low mileage cars in there. I was looking at a Green 68 Torino GT 302 Fastback that if I remember correctly has less than 10 miles on it ..............
For this specific need I think we need to focus on 67's only. This is where too much non-specific information might muddy the waters. Now for 302 68's a picture of that in the 68 section might be helpful for those individuals than have related cars
Have 40-50 examples across the early years but can't post pictures at the moment :(
As I recall, there was a 67 Brittany blue coupe 289 2 Barrel car With very low mileage in there. Might be a tag on that one too even though it's has an 8 inch rear.
Here are some 67 examples though not 67 GT500's. Also helps illustrate the location asked about earlier in the thread. Would like to say thanks to all the people shared and sent pictures as well as documentation of this and other details over the decades while I have a moment to do so.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/15/6-300121214249.jpeg)
So it is most common to have the label applied on the outside of the u-bolts nearer the shock mount?
Printed crooked like that isn't easy to do. That's going to take some work in the software to duplicate that one?
I haven't looked at the tag YET but is that printed code also on the tag?
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 31, 2021, 07:48:46 AM
So it is most common to have the label applied on the outside of the u-bolts nearer the shock mount?
Printed crooked like that isn't easy to do. That's going to take some work in the software to duplicate that one?
I haven't looked at the tag YET but is that printed code also on the tag?
Inside , outside or straddle of the inner U bolt is the typical location because it varied .As has already been mentioned the code on the paper tag is typically the same as the axle code stamped into the metal rear end tag. It is typically 3 digits in the case of the Shelby.
Wouldn't most all Gt-500's tags, engine and axle be the same? Except for special order ones.
Quote from: csheff on January 31, 2021, 12:47:43 PM
Wouldn't most all Gt-500's tags, engine and axle be the same? Except for special order ones.
No With GT500's you have variations that come into play like thermactor which comes into play and is reflected in the VIN and in turn the engine tag and label. Don't know what you mean by "special order ones" since all Shelbys were ordered and processed as "special orders" in the paperwork, building and processing
Quote from: csheff on January 31, 2021, 12:47:43 PM
Wouldn't most all Gt-500's tags, engine and axle be the same? Except for special order ones.
Speaking specifically to the rear axle ID paper labels you have different ratios depending on transmission and or if A/C. Consequently they will not be all the same. Engines tags are similarly different. Typically no special ordered odd ball rear end ratios etc. That was left up to the selling dealer to install if someone was willing to pay.
I was under the distinct impression that the labels wrapped completely around the banjo tube completely. In that light, these pictures really help explain the original application.
Thank you for that.
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 02, 2021, 07:48:22 AM
I was under the distinct impression that the labels wrapped completely around the banjo tube completely. In that light, these pictures really help explain the original application.
Thank you for that.
The original one that I took off of 0001 did not wrap all the way around the tube ether as the pictures imply.
Looks to be about the size of a current shipping label, 4 x 6?