I recently purchases a lot of vintage automotive books / magazines / racing programs.
Included was a G.T.350 Owner's Manual 1966
My research has shown that there are MANY reprints out in the market.
I also read that there were 1st printing & 2nd printings.
Does anyone know if there are certain tells between the real editions so I can determine what I have.
Thanks so much for reading all the way through.
Quote from: kingieee on December 12, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
I recently purchases a lot of vintage automotive books / magazines / racing programs.
Included was a G.T.350 Owner's Manual 1966
My research has shown that there are MANY reprints out in the market.
I also read that there were 1st printing & 2nd printings.
Does anyone know if there are certain tells between the real editions so I can determine what I have.
Thanks so much for reading all the way through.
Post a picture of the front cover please.
Plus, please post an image of center pages with cutaway/transparent of car.
Best regards
Cory
Good Morning
I have done some more research since I posted my question and have found out that this is NOT a 1st edition.
I can see the shadow from the hole punch.
What I now wonder about is why this manual has printed on blue stock instead of white like the original.
At this point I assume that this must have been a bootleg copy.
Thanks, hope I have done it correctly so you can see my 2 attachments
This thread related to this topic might help some...
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=8160.msg68066#msg68066
Quote from: kingieee on December 13, 2020, 10:04:26 AM
Good Morning
I have done some more research since I posted my question and have found out that this is NOT a 1st edition.
I can see the shadow from the hole punch.
What I now wonder about is why this manual has printed on blue stock instead of white like the original.
At this point I assume that this must have been a bootleg copy.
Thanks, hope I have done it correctly so you can see my 2 attachments
The front and backside of the front cover largely confirms it is a legitimate factory manual made after the first two printings . There is a BW manual that was made also.They are most likely meant as a replacements by a dealer when a owners manual supplement was forgotten at SA to be included or got lost after the fact for what ever reason. There are similar examples of theses same type odd color cover replacement manuals for 67,68 ,69 and 70.
Yes if someone was going to bootleg a manual it is only logical that they would make it look like the typical version cover so as not to give away that it is different. After all that is the point of bootleg.
Thank you so much for all of your information.
Now I have couple of other questions,
What would you think it is worth
and
Is it proper etiquette to sell it on this forum or should it be sold on ebay?
Thanks again, you have been so helpful.
Quote from: kingieee on December 13, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
Is it proper etiquette to sell it on this forum or should it be sold on ebay?
Thanks again, you have been so helpful.
It would be great if it got offered to the members here first - sure whom ever needs one will be interested - before it is offered elsewhere. There is a a section for ads to be posted here on this site. Best fit might be the
Misc for sale section for printed materials
Good luck with finding a new home for it
I thought I had an understanding of the topic but now I am seconding guessing after reading the links and looking at the pictures.
If I understand it correct (short version)- 1st printing has "optional" in normal type and same for "one inch", no hole punch shadows, see pictures of what I have....but my front cover looks very bright and more like the picture posted by Dave as reproduction. So does that mean there are reproductions that have the internal pages similar to 1st printing but the outside cover would determine it as a reproduction?
Thanks
Cory James
1604
Quote from: Cjc6566 on December 14, 2020, 01:11:48 PM
I thought I had an understanding of the topic but now I am seconding guessing after reading the links and looking at the pictures.
If I understand it correct (short version)- 1st printing has "optional" in normal type and same for "one inch", no hole punch shadows, see pictures of what I have....but my front cover looks very bright and more like the picture posted by Dave as reproduction. So does that mean there are reproductions that have the internal pages similar to 1st printing but the outside cover would determine it as a reproduction?
Thanks
Cory James
1604
Cory ,the subject of this topic is if the first posted pictured manual is original or reproduction . It has been determined that one is a different variety of legitimate made for Shelby American 66 manuals .The subject manual has the second printing insides and a different outside cover.
IIRC,
Valley Ford Parts, ( Bill Norton) used to sell those blue cover versions . I have never seen one in any of the cars I have looked at over the last 54 years. Mine in 6S477 is a first version with "no holes". It also does not have "NO WARRANTY" on the inside.
Quote from: gt350hr on December 14, 2020, 05:53:20 PM
IIRC,
Valley Ford Parts, ( Bill Norton) used to sell those blue cover versions . I have never seen one in any of the cars I have looked at over the last 54 years. Mine in 6S477 is a first version with "no holes". It also does not have "NO WARRANTY" on the inside.
Not 54 years but I have seen a few of the replacement 66 manuals with cars over the 50 years since I started my Shelby journey. I have also seen the other year varieties of replacement manuals like I pictured with cars some with owners name and vin as was many times done by dealers. I am sure that you are aware that Valley Ford bought out a lot of Shelby extra old stock that they peddled for years. I am sure that the blue cover 66 replacement manuals is what Valley Ford was selling. They may not have fully understood what they were. Here are some examples of other year replacement owners manuals . You can see that the blue cover on the 66 manual was not a one hit wonder but a example of something that was done in other years over the course of Shelby production. I recently added a black and white printed version not shown in the picture of the 66 manuals and a yellow cover colored version to the 67 versions.
Thank you so much for all of the information you have provided.
You guys know so much about all of the shelby stuff.
I am going to post this for sale on this site. I'll try to list it this weekend.
I'm more interested in it going to a good home than making money on it, since I think I overpaid.
Thanks to all for your help.
Agreed Bob . That is why I carefully worded my post. I had many "private" dealings with Bill . I know how and where he got the blue cover manuals from. They were strictly replacements as you mentioned/know. They were not put in "new" cars .
Randy
Quote from: gt350hr on December 15, 2020, 10:42:19 AM
Agreed Bob . That is why I carefully worded my post. I had many "private" dealings with Bill . I know how and where he got the blue cover manuals from. They were strictly replacements as you mentioned/know. They were not put in "new" cars .
Randy
Randy,I don't think that these alternate variety manuals were placed in the cars by Shelby American. I think that the way the replacement manuals found their way into "new" cars was when the SA included manual was lost or stolen before the car was sold new the replacement manual was substituted. I have seen too many that had vin and owner information like many times that dealers would do when a car was sold new to think it didn't happen. Consequently I would consider these manuals concours correct given the usage. The information about them for the various years is not widely known and many who have never seen them or know the history may dismiss them as some kind of repro. I hope i can help shed some light on that.
Agreed Bob. As I said I know the source. I certainly have not seen "every" new Shelby SAI built! LOL Completely agree , ''made for " SAI , "in the day".
Apparently there is even a repop version available on amazon - https://www.amazon.com/1966-Shelby-GT350-Owners-Manual/dp/B00BGB6PJC
Anyone want to guess when they might have been printed and distributed? - Late 66 during production, after production had ended in the fall of 66 - in 1967 as replacements sent to owners? Or possibly all the above.
Thinking of what might have been tossed in cars that didn't sell to the public until after the production year ended for example
Quote from: J_Speegle on December 15, 2020, 04:14:10 PM
Anyone want to guess when they might have been printed and distributed? - Late 66 during production, after production had ended in the fall of 66 - in 1967 as replacements sent to owners? Or possibly all the above.
Thinking of what might have been tossed in cars that didn't sell to the public until after the production year ended for example
My guess is they weren't made until the typical versions ran out after production for that year ended.
Quote from: jk66gt350 on December 15, 2020, 04:10:11 PM
Apparently there is even a repop version available on amazon - https://www.amazon.com/1966-Shelby-GT350-Owners-Manual/dp/B00BGB6PJC
Nothing new. That is the repro version of the typical manual sold for the last 30 plus years by just about every Mustang and Shelby vendor,ebay etc under the sun and now amazon. Ironically when you have one of the replacement version manuals you can pretty much be assured that it is genuine because it is not main stream enough for someone to try and knock off unlike the normal manual.