As I comb thru the engine compartment trying to make things as correct as I can I see my coil is mounted in what I believe to be the incorrect location. It is currently to the front of the motor in front of the drivers side head. From what I have been told and have seen in pictures I believe it should be mounted on the passenger side on top of the intake manifold.
First of all is on top of the intake manifold on the passenger side the correct location for my February 12, 1968 GT350, 4 speed, no A/C car?
Secondly, I am working with WCCC to get me the correct original bracket for the coil and I am told there are several different styles to choose from. Can anyone tell me what the correct coil mounting bracket looks like? Any pictures would be great.
Thank you in advance for all your help.
Corey
Depends. Does car have original cast intake or recall aluminum? If recall the expectation would be top of intake assuming S7 or later S2 intake but dealer could have put it otherwise. I've seen passenger cylinder head as well
It is a recall aluminum intake. I will look tomorrow to see if it is S7 or S2. Would the coil clamp be different depending S7 or S2?
No
It's the standard j code bracket
Thank you Tim.
Quote from: TLea on October 26, 2020, 08:12:13 PM
Depends. Does car have original cast intake or recall aluminum? If recall the expectation would be top of intake assuming S7 or later S2 intake but dealer could have put it otherwise. I've seen passenger cylinder head as well
4sp has thermactor... did you mean driver side cylinder head?
With that date code, it could be anywhere the (Dealer) person who switched the intake put it.
In other words, there is no standard way, however the stock location would be preferred.
You may already know, but the aluminum (recall) intake (S2 or S7) needs to have the extra bosses (red circles) like on the intake shown on the bottom of the attached image for the coil...
Pete, When you say stock position are you referring to on top of the intake manifold on passenger side?
Also when Tim says it is standard "J" code bracket are they marked and the correct one is marked with a "J"?
I just checked and I have the S2 aluminum intake and it does in fact have the boss shown in the bottom photo.
Corey
J code refers to the engine code (only)
The coil bracket is very generic and used on a lot of small blocks over multiple years.
Technically the S2 intake is not correct. The recall parts are S7 and the dealer was supposed to use the S7 intake.
I guess one could make the argument that if a dealer had a S2 intake they could have used it.
The reason you see such a variation on the coil placement is because the vast majority of these were never factory installed. On top of the intake would be the most correct position in my opinion.
(http://www.thecoralsnake.com/350recalltr.jpg)
Thank you Pete!
I am working with Corey on this. I have come up with 2 different coil mounting brackets #1 and #2. Both will attach to my 'special' S2MS-9424-A intake manifold. Coil bracket #2 is common on a 1968 J code engine with cast iron intake manifold. Coil bracket #2 will fit the S2MS intake, but the corner is against the runner. Coil bracket #1 is notched to not touch the runner on a S2MS aluminum intake, but will not fit a 1968 302 cast iron intake. I do not have access to a S7MS intake manifold.
Corey, I think that coil bracket #1 is the best fit for your intake manifold, nice fit, and no possible gauging.
Are either of these styles of coil brackets found on the S7MS intakes?
I think one is a small block (1) and the other is a big block (2)
The coil bracket doesnt change with the manifold swap/recall.
I think we are getting to why the S2 wasnt used and the location of these coils is spastic
Quote from: Krelboyne on October 27, 2020, 06:52:30 PM
I am working with Corey on this. I have come up with 2 different coil mounting brackets #1 and #2. Both will attach to my 'special' S2MS-9424-A intake manifold. Coil bracket #2 is common on a 1968 J code engine with cast iron intake manifold. Coil bracket #2 will fit the S2MS intake, but the corner is against the runner. Coil bracket #1 is notched to not touch the runner on a S2MS aluminum intake, but will not fit a 1968 302 cast iron intake. I do not have access to a S7MS intake manifold.
Corey, I think that coil bracket #1 is the best fit for your intake manifold, nice fit, and no possible gauging.
Are either of these styles of coil brackets found on the S7MS intakes?
The S7MS that mounts the coil on the intake and S2MS that mounts the coil on the intake are virtually identical intakes .What fits on one will fit on the other. The typical smallblock coil bracket #1 in your picture is what will fit best on ether intake . Both brackets will equally fit however. I do not see a problem with the coil bracket from the cast iron J code intake fitting on ether the S7 or S2 intake.
Quote from: Coralsnake on October 27, 2020, 08:18:13 PM
I think one is a small block (1) and the other is a big block (2)
The coil bracket doesnt change with the manifold swap/recall.
I think we are getting to why the S2 wasnt used and the location of these coils is spastic
I missed as to what we are getting to why the S2 wasn't used. Please fill me in.
As I have not tried an S2, I was going by the previous post
Quote"Coil bracket #2 will fit the S2MS intake, but the corner is against the runner."
Quote from: Coralsnake on October 28, 2020, 05:34:15 AM
As I have not tried an S2, I was going by the previous post
Quote"Coil bracket #2 will fit the S2MS intake, but the corner is against the runner."
Yes, they are identical in that both coil brackets fit the same on ether manifold. FYI the S2 large letter emissions friendly intake was Ford Cleveland engine plant installed on later 67 GT350's. I don't know why Ford transitioned from the S7 marked emissions friendly intake to the S2 large letter emissions friendly intake in later 67 GT350 production or for that matter why Ford had two identical intakes marked differently. It may have been a supply issue and the S2 was the logical substitute. FYI Shelby was selling their own S7MS marked intake with Shelby instead of Cobra trademark during the same time period. There has to be more to the story. A point to think about is that a transition is documented (Dave Mathews) to have happened in later 67 production so a similar transition could have transpired in 68 production at some point and the S2 was substituted in the recall kits for the S7. If it happened once in 67 production it could have happened again in 68 production. Just something to think about.
Do you still use the 3 port distributor vacuum tree? If so, does it install in the thermostat housing?
Yes used with both transmissions and mounted on thermostat housing
Who sells the correct thermostat housing and tree?
Quote from: ramrace on October 28, 2020, 12:55:05 PM
Who sells the correct thermostat housing and tree?
ramrace I can tell you I got both those parts from Special Ed for my car. But if he does not have more I do see Dead Nuts On has the vacuum trees. I would also check with West Coast Classic Cougars, they have a lot of great stuff.
Corey
Thank you.
Of all the recall cars I've seen that I consider original (not factory installed aluminum) the majority have been the S2. Can't explain it just is
Charles, yes coil on passenger cylinder head that I have seen were both automatics so no Thermactor. Point I was making was dealer installed them in a multitude of ways
Quote from: TLea on October 28, 2020, 03:56:46 PM
Of all the recall cars I've seen that I consider original (not factory installed aluminum) the majority have been the S2. Can't explain it just is
Charles, yes coil on passenger cylinder head that I have seen were both automatics so no Thermactor. Point I was making was dealer installed them in a multitude of ways
+1 same same.
Quote from: TLea on October 28, 2020, 03:56:46 PM
Of all the recall cars I've seen that I consider original (not factory installed aluminum) the majority have been the S2. Can't explain it just is
Charles, yes coil on passenger cylinder head that I have seen were both automatics so no Thermactor. Point I was making was dealer installed them in a multitude of ways
Only reason I mentioned is because the original post is specific to 350 4sp.
Like the S2, A lot of cars also have 10 spokes.
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