EDITH:
28 / 10 / 2020 together we find so much new content and read about several Events from 66 and 67,
so i decided to make new notes to the posted Pics.
Hello,
on my research i found an interessting point in Time for 1966
every year in GENEVA (Genf) in Switzerland is a big car Show from Europe
with several presentation and cars to show.
in 1966 the show was from 10 to 20 March and the Car dealer
Performance Cars Ltd. who was founded in 1965 from George Filipinetti (Scuderia Filipinetti)
(https://abload.de/img/screenshot_2020-10-19yik9a.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=screenshot_2020-10-19yik9a.jpg)
in the Preliminary report on the show there was shown a big advertisment
from Performance Ltd. and GT350, GT40street and Cobra 427 was anouncend,
but with wrong Pics from 1965 GT350, Ford GT MKI and 427 Cobra
(https://abload.de/img/screenshot_2020-10-195tjws.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=screenshot_2020-10-195tjws.png)
(https://abload.de/img/screenshot_2020-10-19j4kdk.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=screenshot_2020-10-19j4kdk.jpg)
On the Show the Cars was shown on two diffirent places and i found some
pretty good Pics ...
the GT350 in black ?, anybody knows the Vin ?
EDITH 28 / 10 / 2020 pic was from the 66 Paris Auto Show (Mondial de l'automobile de Paris)
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and the GT40street
EDITH 28 / 10 / 2020 pic was from the 66 Paris Auto Show (Mondial de l'automobile de Paris) Car was P/1051 Ford Press Car
in gold colour
(https://abload.de/img/chassis1051ufkss.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=chassis1051ufkss.jpg)
on the 2nd place the GT40 Race from the Scuderia was shown
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later raced on Le Mans 66 but have a damage on right fender
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from the Cobra on the Show i didnt find any pics but i am searching on for this...
Edith 28 / 10 / 2020 - clearly to see at the coloured Pic from Richstang
another Pics shows the HQ from Performance Cars Ltd.
(https://abload.de/img/perf_carx0kwo.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=perf_carx0kwo.jpg)
the GT40street was later tested from German Car Magazin "Auto,Motor und Sport" on the streets
(https://abload.de/img/screenshot_2020-10-21h0kvj.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=screenshot_2020-10-21h0kvj.jpg)
Edith 28 / 10 / 2020 the test from P/1051 was on english roads, inside the black panel we can see "Performance Cars Ltd. with the finished P/1033 by Graber
(https://abload.de/img/screenshot_2020-10-22qmjgl.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=screenshot_2020-10-22qmjgl.jpg)
So what you think ?
Interesting or just cold coffee ..
Greets
Stephan
Quote from: Szabo on October 25, 2020, 05:06:28 PM
On the Show the Cars was shown on two diffirent places and i found some
pretty good Pics ...
the GT350 in black ?, anybody knows the Vin ?
(https://abload.de/img/a7ceb47f-432a-4aa7-9bmlksy.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=a7ceb47f-432a-4aa7-9bmlksy.jpg)
Considering it was likely a fairly new car why the tires were changed
Also noticed that the headlights have been changed and possibly head rests added to the bucket seats.
Possibly repainted or touched up at some point?
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-251020182524.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-251020182536.jpeg)
Thanks for sharing
Stephan, thanks for posting, great research !
I think also was another GT40 (P/1033) by Sbarro, with '66 GT350 (white ?) on display at the Geneva Salon '66 ?
The Filipinetti '66 GT350 & GT40 shown in your photos from Geneva, were also at the Paris Salon '66, but with slightly different
display back ground.
Mike
Stephan, Thanks for posting some of the European magazine and Auto Show photos. We don't see much of these here in the USA.
I believe the GT-40 on display with the 'SNO 250D' license plate, should be P/1051, a MKI road car.
The same two cars were also on display at the Paris Auto Salon in 1966. There was a slightly different background at that other show.
I might have a photo...will have to look for it.
The (poor quality) photo of the Filipinetti GT40 with the wire wheels should be P/1039... and...
The magazine cover with the Filipinetti at the LeMans trails in April should be P/1040 (with Halibrands and the rear wheel arch cut out larger).
Thank You for the added inside pages of that issue and the "Performance Cars LTD' dealer photo.
It looks like there is a second photo of the dealer with the rear 3/4 side view of the GT40 road car P/1051.
Quote from: honker on October 25, 2020, 08:47:50 PM
Stephan, thanks for posting, great research !
I think also was another GT40 (P/1033) by Sbarro, with '66 GT350 (white ?) on display at the Geneva Salon '66 ?
The Filipinetti '66 GT350 & GT40 shown in your photos from Geneva, were also at the Paris Salon '66, but with slightly different
display back ground.
Mike
Mike,
I'll look for those other auto show photos as well. I don't recall a white '66 GT350, maybe it was red (?) or another photo at yet another show.
I'd like to see P/1033 and find out the date of the show you're thinking of.
Maybe between all of us, we can sort out some of these other photos and cars (or at the least share the photos).
Hello
Thanks for all the answers and Information
I think you all speak about this pic
From 67 Geneva Autosalon
We See P/1033 in full converted street Mode
And a 66 GT350 in white
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Quote from: Szabo on October 26, 2020, 03:15:05 AM
Hello
Thanks for all the answers and Information
I think you all speak about this pic
From 67 Geneva Autosalon
We See P/1033 in full converted street Mode
And a 66 GT350 in white
url=https://abload.de/image.php?img=art-vin-fordgt401033s3eknh.jpg](https://abload.de/img/art-vin-fordgt401033s3eknh.jpg)[/url
Thanks for posting this photo noted as 1967. (This was not the photo I was thinking of.) I found the event was dated as March 9-19.
That is only the second Ford GT40 I've seen with the hood vent covers/louvers. (P/1034 was the other car with them.)
Here another GT noted at that 1967 Geneve Auto Salon (MKII P/1032). This photo below is credited to Marcus Chambers
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-261020121632.jpeg)
This was the other photo that I was thinking of with the red GT350. We see it is in the Ford display area.
Perhaps the other photos with the silver(/) P/1051 was the 'Performance Cars LTD" display area???
I assume this is still in 1966 and maybe the GT40 is P/1039.
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-261020122230.jpeg)
Quote from: Richstang on October 26, 2020, 12:26:15 PM
This was the other photo that I was thinking of with the red GT350. We see it is in the Ford display area.
Perhaps the other photos with the silver(/) P/1051 was the 'Performance Cars LTD" display area???
I assume this is still in 1966 and maybe the GT40 is P/1039.
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-261020122230.jpeg)
Absolut stunning Pic from Geneva 66
when you read the Performance Cars Ltd. Advertisment it is clearly written
that Cortina Lotus, new GT350, Cobra 427, Daytona Coupe and GT40 (Le Mans) is shown
on display
but the Black/White Pics only shows GT350 and GT40 Street (and Cobra is written on the Sign on the wall)
so i am little bit confused and stressed
i know from the research there was two aeras where cars shown, but i stands nothing
special information on the floor plan of the Salon...
for the GT40 i read in the SAAC Registry from 87 (only Registry i found in Germany)
that P/1039 and P/1040 both belongs to Scuderia Filipinetti and painted red
(and drived with Nr. 12 on LeMans)
Quote from: Szabo on October 26, 2020, 06:24:48 PM
Absolut stunning Pic from Geneva 66
when you read the Performance Cars Ltd. Advertisment it is clearly written
that Cortina Lotus, new GT350, Cobra 427, Daytona Coupe and GT40 (Le Mans) is shown
on display
but the Black/White Pics only shows GT350 and GT40 Street (and Cobra is written on the Sign on the wall)
so i am little bit confused and stressed
i know from the research there was two aeras where cars shown, but i stands nothing
special information on the floor plan of the Salon...
for the GT40 i read in the SAAC Registry from 87 (only Registry i found in Germany)
that P/1039 and P/1040 both belongs to Scuderia Filipinetti and painted red
(and drived with Nr. 12 on LeMans)
Quote from: Richstang on October 26, 2020, 12:26:15 PM
This was the other photo that I was thinking of with the red GT350. We see it is in the Ford display area.
Perhaps the other photos with the silver(/) P/1051 was the 'Performance Cars LTD" display area???
I assume this is still in 1966 and maybe the GT40 is P/1039.
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-261020122230.jpeg)
I've only been able to ID the GT40. In 1966 none of the Daytona Coupe's were racing in Europe (csx2300 was over in Japan).
Both P/1039 and P/1040 were at the LeMans Trials in April and were painted nearly identical.
Only P/1040 qualified for the June 24 hour race, while P/1039 is noted as DNA (not accepted)
P/1040 crashed on the course, sitting on the raceway sideways with the left rear wheel torn off.
Here's a photo from the April Trials proving both cars were making practice runs. I'm not sure if both tried to qualify or not.
Both are wearing the race number '12', while P/1039 always appears with the wire wheels (that I know of).
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-261020185454.jpeg)
i come up with two more Pics
1st is the floor plan of the 66 Geneva Auto Show
the main Pic from Richstang (66 in Red, white Cobra, Daytona and red GT40) ist located clearly and proofed,
because of the other Brands standing around the Ford Aera
there was 2 Ford aeras, the main Aera (which was on the Cover of the first Pic i posted) was for the
European and German Ford Cars, the second was the "Performance Cars Ltd. Aera" which was
official called FORD
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meanwhile i have big trouble that the Black & White Pics from 66 GT350 and GT40 P/1051 was really
from Geneva Auto Show ..... i found not the tinyest proof in other Pics or videos
For 67 i found a good Front Pic from the Golden GT40 (surley a After Race Pic) with Graham Hill
and the Floor Plan where the Cars was on the Show
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(https://abload.de/img/0a7cab96-f418-4511-92qiju0.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=0a7cab96-f418-4511-92qiju0.jpg)
Behind the gold GT40
Both Mach 2 show cars?
One white, one red
Quote from: Coralsnake on October 27, 2020, 04:03:09 PM
Behind the gold GT40
Both Mach 2 show cars?
One white, one red
Sorry Pete, those are not the Ford Mach II concept cars. They could be a Ferrari and a Porsche, but I don't know that for sure.
I got it thanks
Maybe i can help here
the white Car is a Porsche Carrera 6 Racecar
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the Car behind is not clearly to identify at the moment
Well done
Quote from: Szabo on October 27, 2020, 02:41:30 PM
For 67 i found a good Front Pic from the Golden GT40 (surley a After Race Pic) with Graham Hill
and the Floor Plan where the Cars was on the Show
(https://abload.de/img/918d8bf1-6be4-4fcc-beyqj3e.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=918d8bf1-6be4-4fcc-beyqj3e.jpg)
Nice work finding the Floor plans from 1966 at the Geneve Auto Salon (Show). You may not be 100% confident with your two found photos but, showing us the second Ford area where they may have been displayed does raises the likelihood they were there.
This photo at Geneve in 1967 is another great find. What is odd about this car (P/1032 at the European auto shows, the nose paint identifying design was painted in red (florescent red?). The 1966 LeMans race shows the nose painted in flourescent GREEN! It also has some small checkered stickers on the center of the nose and on the door (in front of the bottom air scoop) in two auto show photos. The red paint is heavily weathered, but the '66 LeMans race is the last known race it was entered in. The car appears previous to Geneve, in the Brussels auto show, on January 18th 1967. (Black and White photo). It appears to have the same white chipped paint under the the nose fluorescent paint.
So does anyone know what happened to P/1032 between June '66 at LeMans and January '67 at the Brussels show? I was told by Greg Kolasa that John Holman sent it to his friend Luigi Chinetti after LeMans. Luigi was able to help keep the shipping costs down with his connections, but was it raced or 'tested' in the red nose configuration (?) before the other two auto shows?
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Quote from: J_Speegle on October 25, 2020, 06:20:01 PM
Quote from: Szabo on October 25, 2020, 05:06:28 PM
On the Show the Cars was shown on two diffirent places and i found some
pretty good Pics ...
the GT350 in black ?, anybody knows the Vin ?
(https://abload.de/img/a7ceb47f-432a-4aa7-9bmlksy.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=a7ceb47f-432a-4aa7-9bmlksy.jpg)
Considering it was likely a fairly new car why the tires were changed
Hey,
i found some good information about the Tires and the Headrest,
was very difficult but when you never give up, so you can earn some goodies
The Name on the Tires is
"Kléber Colombes" this was a brand of Pneumatiques, Caoutchouc Manufacturé et Plastique Kléber-Colombes
later that company was going down in the well known Tire Company MICHELIN
of course a french Tire Company
you asked because why change brand new tires ? Good question but is a Autoshow and
you can but good advertisment everywhere and this is a preety good place
there was several type of Tires like V10, ER6 and more, but i was not able to find the exact tire type
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(https://abload.de/img/63e50cc7-aace-464c-b1gfkq2.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=63e50cc7-aace-464c-b1gfkq2.jpg)
for the Headrest i came up with this thoughts from a Company "Jeanneret Fréres",
which produced a postionable Headrest without drilling
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for 67 Geneve Auto Show i find out which was the Red Car behind GT40 and Carrera6,
it was a Abarth 1300 OT with a big snorchel on it...
(https://abload.de/img/_mg_2084kvj9o.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=_mg_2084kvj9o.jpg)
also i have to relocate the standort of GT40, Carrera6 and Abarth as the beginning of the Race and Sportscar Section (Gold Spot)
and not on the spot where Ford Performance Cars (Green Spot)
when you looking very closely on the Carrera6 Pic you can check the sign from the roof and under that there
was a Car with Number "31" on it
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After a long day with lots of new infos, pics and great replys from you my thoughts getting
closer and closer that my 2 Black&White Pics from GT350 and GT40 are from Paris Autosalonin German Car Magazins there a not enough good pics from the Paris Auto Show 1966,
i became the Pic from Richstang and want to do more research befor share only thoughts
but maybe on french car magazin and newspaper there are more information
Maybe HONKER can check the Car Newspaper L´Automobile similar to the Swiss Newspaper Auto Revue for some
more pics and Infos ... Greets from Germany
Stephan
Quote from: Szabo on October 27, 2020, 07:42:25 PM
After a long day with lots of new infos, pics and great replys from you my thoughts getting
closer and closer that my 2 Black&White Pics from GT350 and GT40 are from Paris Autosalon[/b]
Greets from Germany
Stephan
Stephan,
After finding the Paris Motor Show photo I mentioned previously, I've compared them directly against your two new found photos.
While there is a very slight change in the background on the left, all the other details match.
They are all definitely from the 'Paris Motor Show" that opened October 6, 1966.
Thanks for all your efforts here.
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i totally agreed with you ...
The Paris Car Show was from 06-16 October and like i now from German Car Shows (IAA-Frankfurt)
there are always little changes in the display, even visitores want to have some trophys and items
are stolen or damaged on the Show.
But many Details between the three Black / White Pics are correct and the same position,
i can later post maybe 1 or 2 more Details Pics from the GT40 on the Show but nothing big news
i clear also the Thread a little bit for people in the future or just made a quick visit.