Great to hear it running after so long. Exhaust still needs to be completed.
Ron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq4J4uluja0
Congratulations! Awesome car, but say goodbye to power brakes :) as thats a pretty good CAM and your vacuum may be too low to operate the booster, been there and done that. Hopefully not the case.
Except for the lack of stripes, that could be my car! Love the hood, I think all 427 powered '67s should have it. Awesome achievement. You must feel good about it!
Beautiful!!! Love the midnight or rightmost blue! Beautiful!!! 1978!!!!!
Thanks guys. Yes, I am proud! Even in 78 when it was run last, it had a small block. The original engine was replaced with a small block in 1973.
And then in 78 the small block blew up and that was the last time it was on the road. I purchased it in 2015 and began the restoration then.
Ron
Nice! Congrats. Love those Side-Oilers.
Congratulations! I don't think you'll have an issue with that cam and your power brakes as long as you're not driving in a lot of very heavy stop and go traffic.
The cam in my My 67 500 is 236@.050 INT and 246 EXH @ .050 with .578 INT and .589 exh. I guess I should post m vehicle idling.
Did your Shelby come with the exhaust trim or did you decide to add it? I have it on my vehicle but I am a much earlier car.
You'll have to post some footage of your first drive.
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 17, 2020, 10:39:18 PM
Congratulations! I don't think you'll have an issue with that cam and your power brakes as long as you're not driving in a lot of very heavy stop and go traffic.
The cam in my My 67 500 is 236@.050 INT and 246 EXH @ .050 with .578 INT and .589 exh. I guess I should post m vehicle idling.
Did your Shelby come with the exhaust trim or did you decide to add it? I have it on my vehicle but I am a much earlier car.
You'll have to post some footage of your first drive.
Kieth ,it would be out of the ordinary if 861 didn't have the cut out rear valance with the trim from all I have seen.
Cool....
IT LIVES!! congratulations.
(yes the exhaust trim is what I would expect on your car too)
Wow, Just Wow
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 17, 2020, 10:39:18 PM
Congratulations! I don't think you'll have an issue with that cam and your power brakes as long as you're not driving in a lot of very heavy stop and go traffic.
The cam in my My 67 500 is 236@.050 INT and 246 EXH @ .050 with .578 INT and .589 exh. I guess I should post m vehicle idling.
Did your Shelby come with the exhaust trim or did you decide to add it? I have it on my vehicle but I am a much earlier car.
You'll have to post some footage of your first drive.
The majic number for vacuum for the Midland booster seems to me around 12 inches.
I know of a couple of cars under that and they are running with a vacuum pump.
You can tell if there is low brake vacuum by the feel of the pedal. It will get hard.
You may also be able to get by without a pump with a vacuum reservoir? Under 12 is going to be trial and error and how you feel about the pedal feel.
Mustangs with manual brakes are not difficult to drive at all. It's really what you are comfortable with.
From what my experiences are, I'd say any hotter (more duration at .050) then what Keith has probably will drop you down to 12 or lower?
Quote from: rbarkley on April 17, 2020, 07:50:36 PM
Great to hear it running after so long. Exhaust still needs to be completed.
Ron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq4J4uluja0
AH! It does a body good!
As my son would say. "Dad? What's wrong with your engine?" As I would reply, "no, no, everything is right!" ;)
What cam is in it?
Sometimes I forget the violent difference between these monsters and current EFI cars. What a difference? Sounds like a marching band. Boom, boom, bada bada, boom, boom?
Great video...thank you for sharing. Congratulations for getting the car running again. Enjoy.
Lots of open roads these days to run on. You have the perfect opportunity.
Sounds great! Might be running a bit rich, lots of black smoke when you rev it up. Cam sounds like it is mild enough to generate plenty of vacuum for power brakes. I like it!
Sounds Groovy 8)
Thanks for the feedback and comments everyone. I appreciate it very much!
The exhaust trim is original as far as I can tell and was on the car when I purchased it.
Info on the cam. Nothing too radical ...
Outstanding and congrats!
Simply superb, a musical concerto out the back
Congratulations!
Quote from: rbarkley on April 18, 2020, 09:27:46 AM
Thanks for the feedback and comments everyone. I appreciate it very much!
The exhaust trim is original as far as I can tell and was on the car when I purchased it.
Info on the cam. Nothing too radical ...
This looks like Keith's cam.
Every time I start the car, I am SHOCKED at the racket and amazed that the thing can run that way...but I'm not complaining...has something to do with renewing me?
My wife heard my music play list and had to comment, "do you live entirely in the past?"
Hum? I need to think about that but maybe? It's much friendlier now then it ever was then. :o
Not to hyjack your thread but I'm running a Bullet cam in my 427 too.
Roller Camshaft, Grind No. FE288/292-10R
Intake Duration @ .050 inch: 252°
Exhaust Duration @ .050 inch: 262°
Timing Events @ .050 inch
OPEN CLOSE
Intake 20° 52°
Exhaust 65° 17°
Separation (Lobe Ceners): 110°
Lobe Lift: Int - .375 Ext - .367
Valve Lift: Int - .638 Ext - .624
Valve Lash (Hot): .022
Dynoed out at 473.5 hp @ 5300 and 521.1 lb-ft @ 4300
Bad ass idle, crap for milage (but then you don' t build a 427 for milage!).
S7MS427 how is your vacuum?
Doug: I am at about 12" at 900 rpm idle. I just get by at that. Power Booster Exchange did my booster. They supposedly can work the valving to cope a bit better in low vacuum applications. Thus far I am doing well with it. A local rebuilder in Dallas did the booster and it didn't function. Steve completed the booster and returned it to me five days. They also had some of the plastic internals reproduced because of the condition of many of these boosters internally after 50+ years.
I noticed the car is an automatic, are you running a stock converter?
Quote from: 2112 on April 18, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
S7MS427 how is your vacuum?
I don't worry about vacuum as I switched over to manual disc brakes years ago. To be honest, I haven't looked at it since the engine was rebuilt. Guess that's something I'll have to do in the near future.
Sweet 8)
That has to be a great feeling after all of these years - congrats!
Very similar cam profile. The first cam is right on the edge to support a power booster, the second not a chance!
As for fuel mileage, I average about 7 MPG. 3.50 gears are not cruising gears.
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 18, 2020, 06:19:02 PM
Very similar cam profile. The first cam is right on the edge to support a power booster, the second not a chance!
As for fuel mileage, I average about 7 MPG. 3.50 gears are not cruising gears.
Going Thing,
My mileage is about the same with the same rear end gear. However, my secret weapon is a TKO600 w/.64 overdrive. Mileage isn't helped that much but it makes long distance traveling a bit more pleasant as the RPM drops to about 2000 at 70mph. The car is pretty load with those two chamber Flow Masters. Guess if I were to do it over again I'd choose three chamber mufflers.
Reply for Greg "I noticed the car is an automatic, are you running a stock converter?"
Yes and No. Yes in that it was a stock c6 converter. No in that it was completely rebuilt for 2500 stall.
Quote from: S7MS427 on April 18, 2020, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 18, 2020, 06:19:02 PM
Very similar cam profile. The first cam is right on the edge to support a power booster, the second not a chance!
As for fuel mileage, I average about 7 MPG. 3.50 gears are not cruising gears.
Going Thing,
My mileage is about the same with the same rear end gear. However, my secret weapon is a TKO600 w/.64 overdrive. Mileage isn't helped that much but it makes long distance traveling a bit more pleasant as the RPM drops to about 2000 at 70mph. The car is pretty load with those two chamber Flow Masters. Guess if I were to do it over again I'd choose three chamber mufflers.
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I am running Flowmaster Super 44 as well with Hooker 6114 headers. Sounds damn healthy but with no AC the window is down most of the time here and the noise is akin to riding a Harley. It can be fatiguing when driven for long periods. I will try and get a clip tomorrow and post it.
In all honesty, I think the heads I am running with the Keith Black porting and valve changes to the 2.25 int 1.75 Exh may be a bit counter-productive for bottom-end power and the cam really tends to start running out just where it really starts to hit its powerband. I would have to go pump or give up the power brakes if I went any more of a cam. I also don't want to completely give up engine durability.
I am going to have to come up with a soulution so I can drive the highway without turning 3400 at 70.
Quote from: S7MS427 on April 18, 2020, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 18, 2020, 06:19:02 PM
Very similar cam profile. The first cam is right on the edge to support a power booster, the second not a chance!
As for fuel mileage, I average about 7 MPG. 3.50 gears are not cruising gears.
Going Thing,
My mileage is about the same with the same rear end gear. However, my secret weapon is a TKO600 w/.64 overdrive. Mileage isn't helped that much but it makes long distance traveling a bit more pleasant as the RPM drops to about 2000 at 70mph. The car is pretty load with those two chamber Flow Masters. Guess if I were to do it over again I'd choose three chamber mufflers.
Did the 600 allow you to utilize the OE bell housing and mechanical linkage?
Quote from: S7MS427 on April 18, 2020, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 18, 2020, 06:19:02 PM
Very similar cam profile. The first cam is right on the edge to support a power booster, the second not a chance!
As for fuel mileage, I average about 7 MPG. 3.50 gears are not cruising gears.
Going Thing,
My mileage is about the same with the same rear end gear. However, my secret weapon is a TKO600 w/.64 overdrive. Mileage isn't helped that much but it makes long distance traveling a bit more pleasant as the RPM drops to about 2000 at 70mph. The car is pretty load with those two chamber Flow Masters. Guess if I were to do it over again I'd choose three chamber mufflers.
The three chamber are what they call the "hemi" mufflers. They are too long to fit within the rear seat indent in the floor pans. I use the two chamber. Exhaust noise is not an issue for me at all. In fact I'd say it's spooky quiet considering the racket in the engine compartment.
Flowmaster DOES make an original type transverse muffler with bigger internals. Camaros use them too.
I never tried it and am not sure it is worth the effort? Some think it is the 90 degree turns into the transverse muffler that cause the restriction. It's said the stock muffler is restrictive after 5,500 rpm because of the bends in the pipes.
love it & congrats i'm it will be worth the wait
I am running a 2.5" necked down for the tips. The exhaust does go over the axle as it should. It uses all the original hangers and mounts in all locations.
My car was last titled in 1977 until I completed it passed inspection in 2018. I bought the car in 1982. Even the most careful restorations have bugs to work out.
Quote from: rbarkley on April 18, 2020, 07:22:54 PM
Reply for Greg "I noticed the car is an automatic, are you running a stock converter?"
Yes and No. Yes in that it was a stock c6 converter. No in that it was completely rebuilt for 2500 stall.
Great, can't wait to see you take it out. Unfortunately I had to go to a 2800 on mine.
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 18, 2020, 07:34:28 PM
Quote from: S7MS427 on April 18, 2020, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 18, 2020, 06:19:02 PM
Very similar cam profile. The first cam is right on the edge to support a power booster, the second not a chance!
As for fuel mileage, I average about 7 MPG. 3.50 gears are not cruising gears.
Going Thing,
My mileage is about the same with the same rear end gear. However, my secret weapon is a TKO600 w/.64 overdrive. Mileage isn't helped that much but it makes long distance traveling a bit more pleasant as the RPM drops to about 2000 at 70mph. The car is pretty load with those two chamber Flow Masters. Guess if I were to do it over again I'd choose three chamber mufflers.
Did the 600 allow you to utilize the OE bell housing and mechanical linkage?
Going Thing,
Bell no, linkage yes. I've been using a Lakewood Scattershield since about 1984 when I put the first 427 in. But the linkage has always been stock. I did have to grind two notches in the Lakewood to clear the Hooker Super Comps. The TKO went in very cleanly using Total Control engine mounts with a custom crossmember and polyurethane trans mount. Engine and trans sit about 1/2 inch lower in the car. I did use an aftermarket shifter but it comes right in the correct location in the transmission tunnel. You can read and see photos of all this at my website.
Maybe we should start another thread if we want to continue this conversation...
Quote from: S7MS427 on April 18, 2020, 09:54:45 PM
Maybe we should start another thread if we want to continue this conversation...
I would like to learn more
Quote from: S7MS427 on April 18, 2020, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 18, 2020, 07:34:28 PM
Quote from: S7MS427 on April 18, 2020, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 18, 2020, 06:19:02 PM
Very similar cam profile. The first cam is right on the edge to support a power booster, the second not a chance!
As for fuel mileage, I average about 7 MPG. 3.50 gears are not cruising gears.
Going Thing,
My mileage is about the same with the same rear end gear. However, my secret weapon is a TKO600 w/.64 overdrive. Mileage isn't helped that much but it makes long distance traveling a bit more pleasant as the RPM drops to about 2000 at 70mph. The car is pretty load with those two chamber Flow Masters. Guess if I were to do it over again I'd choose three chamber mufflers.
Did the 600 allow you to utilize the OE bell housing and mechanical linkage?
Going Thing,
Bell no, linkage yes. I've been using a Lakewood Scattershield since about 1984 when I put the first 427 in. But the linkage has always been stock. I did have to grind two notches in the Lakewood to clear the Hooker Super Comps. The TKO went in very cleanly using Total Control engine mounts with a custom crossmember and polyurethane trans mount. Engine and trans sit about 1/2 inch lower in the car. I did use an aftermarket shifter but it comes right in the correct location in the transmission tunnel. You can read and see photos of all this at my website.
Maybe we should start another thread if we want to continue this conversation...
I didn't find the installation pictures of your TKO.
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 19, 2020, 01:55:03 AM
I didn't find the installation pictures of your TKO.
Off the G.T.500 page go to [427 Rebuild] and then [In The Car]. Pictures are at the bottom of the page. Navigation buttons are at the top left of the page.
Quote from: Greg on April 17, 2020, 08:20:04 PM
Congratulations! Awesome car, but say goodbye to power brakes :) as thats a pretty good CAM and your vacuum may be too low to operate the booster, been there and done that. Hopefully not the case.
Greg, Good point as I too suffered from weak power brakes due to low vacuum. About 9 years ago sent the original booster to his Holiness, Booster Dewey. Detailed the 294S cam ran tremendously at speed, however brakes were less than optimum. I don't know what modification were done during the rebuild, but it's flawless. An absolute pleasure to drive. Was certain to make sure no vacuum leaks and the vacuum canister is perfect.