Hello Everyone,
When I got my late 67 the nose wasn't attached. I want to mount it now and am not sure how it mounts to the fenders or the brackets. It seems like the areas that mount to the fenders are with clips? But from where and which direction would the bolts go? Are the areas that mount to the brackets- screwed in, riveted, bolts (when/where)? Any diagrams or pictures you can post would be appreciated as the one I posted below is all I could find on the internet showing the nose and I don't know if its correct. Thanks in advance for your help.
Quote from: cboss70 on April 15, 2020, 01:43:19 PM
Hello Everyone,
When I got my late 67 the nose wasn't attached. I want to mount it now and am not sure how it mounts to the fenders or the brackets. It seems like the areas that mount to the fenders are with clips? But from where and which direction would the bolts go? Are the areas that mount to the brackets- screwed in, riveted, bolts (when/where)? Any diagrams or pictures you can post would be appreciated as the one I posted below is all I could find on the internet showing the nose and I don't know if its correct. Thanks in advance for your help.
The nose with the lip is factory . Fender type bolts from the front side typically . I have seen them done a couple different ways. I have also seen some with fender bolts and and the serrated locking nut with shoulder like the coil spring covers used.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 15, 2020, 01:47:54 PM
Quote from: cboss70 on April 15, 2020, 01:43:19 PM
Hello Everyone,
When I got my late 67 the nose wasn't attached. I want to mount it now and am not sure how it mounts to the fenders or the brackets. It seems like the areas that mount to the fenders are with clips? But from where and which direction would the bolts go? Are the areas that mount to the brackets- screwed in, riveted, bolts (when/where)? Any diagrams or pictures you can post would be appreciated as the one I posted below is all I could find on the internet showing the nose and I don't know if its correct. Thanks in advance for your help.
The nose with the lip is factory . Fender type bolts from the front side typically . I have seen them done a couple different ways. I have also seen some with fender bolts and and the serrated locking nut with shoulder like the coil spring covers used.
Mine attaches in this manor also? Fender bolts into captured nuts embedded into the fiberglass.
Ok so it seems like the outer lip bolts go through the back side of the fenders and into the clips on the nose and its pretty straight forward.
Then comes the center of the nose- there are holes in the nose and it looks like the holes are where it attaches to the center brace. I've seen places selling rivet's to attach the nose but I have a bag of screw type bolts with nuts that were marked for nose attachment so any pictures or clarification on what to use would be helpful.
And finally does any sealant go between the nose and fenders or are they simply bolted up fiberglass to metal. Thanks.
AMK makes a nose mounting kit. On the upper support and at the lower front cross member it is riveted with large black rivers.I have studs top and bolts with U nuts and serrated fender bolts lower.
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 15, 2020, 03:17:58 PM
AMK makes a nose mounting kit. On the upper support and at the lower front cross member it is riveted with large black rivers. I have studs top and bolts with U nuts and serrated fender bolts lower.
More details on the red item, please.
There were some variations throughout the year.
(Did you state the car number and the Shelby completion date? Also inboard or outboard grille lights)
Since the photo you posted shows holes in the very bottom lip there would be the large black rivets (AMK sells and others sell the AMK kits) as has been pointed out.
The holes in the lip where the bottom of the upper grille rests would have rivets too but some of those holes seem to be in the wrong place. Do you have the upper grille and how many lower attachment straps does it have?
Some times bolts were used to attach the top of the lower grille to the bottom of the center support/license plate holder bracket.
Will look for some images to post.
Some images, Upper grille (if you have the two-piece vertical inboard style) note lower strap and rivet or hole for rivet. Also lower grille to nose support some used rivets.
(Note - if you have a very early car with the angled (full or upper) grille it mounts differently)
Quote from: cboss70 on April 15, 2020, 03:10:28 PM
Ok so it seems like the outer lip bolts go through the back side of the fenders and into the clips on the nose and its pretty straight forward.
Then comes the center of the nose- there are holes in the nose and it looks like the holes are where it attaches to the center brace. I've seen places selling rivet's to attach the nose but I have a bag of screw type bolts with nuts that were marked for nose attachment so any pictures or clarification on what to use would be helpful.
And finally does any sealant go between the nose and fenders or are they simply bolted up fiberglass to metal. Thanks.
You need to mount the license plate bracket (what it is refereed to as) before putting on the nose . You didn't say when your car was built at SA or the vin number . Those factors come into play when comes to the proper hardware. Hard to suggest what to use until those factors are known. Yes the nose was sealed to the fenders. The way I would suggest doing it is after the install using good masking tape mask along both sides of the edge where the fender and the nose meet. After that is done doing ONE SIDE AT A TIME use clear silicone and run a bead into the seam . The stuff starts to set up after about 5 minutes. After you run the bead go back over it with your finger to squeegee the excess silicone off . You can clean your finger off or clean up a mistake with rubbing alcohol or denatured alcohol . You can now pull the tape off which allows the edges of the silicone to lay down before it starts to set up after the 5 minute window.
Tony Branda sells a '67 Shelby Assembly Manual - worth getting - some reference but note these drawings were done pretty much after the cars all were done and not necessarily as the workers did it OR as it was done on much earlier '67 cars.
Note, there is a protective strip that goes on the bottom edge of the lower grille to prevent it from scratching the paint on the very bottom surface of the grill opening, if you need one there is a link at the bottom of this post that gives more detail and how to get one.
'67 Shelby Lower Grille Edge Protective Strip http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1237.0
When did they start using studs on the top of the nose above the headlights?
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10148.0;attach=42156;image)
Bill,
I believe when I put #2339 back together it had studs above the headlights with bolts and nuts at the bottom.
Sorry, I need clarification . Post 2 Bob Gaines states fender type bolts from the front side typically. Post 4 cboss70 states the bolts go thru the fender into the clips in the nose. I have read both 4 times. I don't think they are saying the same thing. Also would the License plate holder/ nose support be semi gloss black ? Thank You
Quote from: motorhead428 on April 15, 2020, 09:08:52 PM
Sorry, I need clarification . Post 2 Bob Gaines states fender type bolts from the front side typically. Post 4 cboss70 states the bolts go thru the fender into the clips in the nose. I have read both 4 times. I don't think they are saying the same thing. Also would the License plate holder/ nose support be semi gloss black ? Thank You
Yes
Quote from: motorhead428 on April 15, 2020, 09:08:52 PM
Sorry, I need clarification . Post 2 Bob Gaines states fender type bolts from the front side typically. Post 4 cboss70 states the bolts go thru the fender into the clips in the nose. I have read both 4 times. I don't think they are saying the same thing. Also would the License plate holder/ nose support be semi gloss black ? Thank You
When the clips are used (one of two nose fastener ways used)then the clips are not meant to slide over the thick fiberglass lip of the nose. The clips are meant to slide over the thin sheet metal lip of the fender like they are made to be used on a regular Mustang . You will have to decide who is correct. Yes the license plate bracket is typically painted semigloss black .
The diagrams were helpful to see what was meant by studs- I will now have to check my nose since it seems from the posts above mine would have upper studs. I have 2780which looks to have been produced 5/29/67. I did look at my original upper grill and the mounting tabs seem to line up with the holes for riveting. I also never saw that 67assembly manual in the catalogs before and will definitely order one. Thanks
Quote from: cboss70 on April 16, 2020, 09:14:21 AM
The diagrams were helpful to see what was meant by studs- I will now have to check my nose since it seems from the posts above mine would have upper studs. I have 2780which looks to have been produced 5/29/67. I did look at my original upper grill and the mounting tabs seem to line up with the holes for riveting. I also never saw that 67assembly manual in the catalogs before and will definitely order one. Thanks
Not mentioned but you also should find on a later car are rivet holes on the bottom frame rail where the lower grill opening of the nose overlaps the frame rail and was riveted in place. This was not done on early cars. That part is commonly missed during restorations.That location used the same wide head rivets.
Thanks to JD as his opening line says it all. "There were variations throughout the year" says it all.
Quote from: shelbydoug on April 16, 2020, 11:31:29 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 16, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
Quote from: cboss70 on April 16, 2020, 09:14:21 AM
That location used the same wide head rivets.
As what?
Those same large head rivets were used to hold the upper-opening vertical grille (inboard and outboard versions) with the straps at the bottom shown here and in another reply 1st page, note the outboard grilles had a full section of metal not thin straps, and at times they seem to have been used to hold the top edge of the lower grille section to the nose/license plate support in place of threaded fasteners (also visible in another image on the 1st page but not easy to see - OK image added).
In the added image the Lime car the rivets are not black to my knowledge they should be ad in the section of the white car note there are 4 black rivets visible.
Here is a (poor) image of an outboard grille (I don't seem to have many - early car addiction) but note there is a full width of metal lip across the bottom of the upper grille not two straps. (The emblem on the outboard grille is too high don't use that as a emblem location reference.)
AH those! Thank you JD.
Quote from: roddster on April 16, 2020, 12:50:00 PM
Thanks to JD as his opening line says it all. "There were variations throughout the year" says it all.
I think there were variations throughout the day ...... !
Quote from: oldcanuck on April 17, 2020, 09:05:22 AM
I think there were variations throughout the day ...... !
Now that's probably very true and very funny
Well just think of all the variants throughout the day they had to deal with......
1. Before coffee
2. Lost doughnuts
3. After coffee
4. Flying Tigers too low on 25L
5. Whats for lunch
6. Enchilada gasses overpower the pit
7. Carroll takes Linda Vaughn on a tour of the facility
8. Why are all the guys in the pit
....... and so on and so on.....good thing they weren't on the beach, these things would have never got built !
Quote from: oldcanuck on April 17, 2020, 10:03:48 AM
Well just think of all the variants throughout the day they had to deal with......
1. Before coffee
2. Lost doughnuts
3. After coffee
4. Flying Tigers too low on 25L
5. Whats for lunch
6. Enchilada gasses overpower the pit
7. Carroll takes Linda Vaughn on a tour of the facility
8. Why are all the guys in the pit
....... and so on and so on.....good thing they weren't on the beach, these things would have never got built !
A new stripper over at the nudie bar with the all you can eat buffet?
They were actually less than 10 minutes from the beach.. Test Drive Time..
Yea but the LAX location is where all the strip joints were too?
Yes, very true. There was no shortage of Strip Joints around LAX. Many of notoriety in the day. Most have slowly vanished over the years. I'm sure the internet porn industry has taken a huge bite out of the strip club industry in the last 20 years.