Hi All,
Looking for pics of dealer installed rear quarter radio antennas on 65s. Trying to see if there was any rhyme or reason to where they put them. Also if anybody has any info on where it was suggested they should I'd love to know if such guidelines existed or if it was "just put it in the back somewhere to avoid the RF that comes through the hood!"
Thanks!
Colin
The handful of '65's I've seen that had original style radio (Ford) installations had the antenna on the RH fender like a regular Mustang. Antenna's were always dealer installed, though, so there's some slight variance, but not much.
Thanks Charles.
I'm working on an early '65 sold new at HPM with an AM-FM installed (on the invoice) and they put the antenna on the LR quarter. My other '65 from HPM had the same but I removed it years ago because I could never hear the radio anyway lol. Just trying to determine if there was any uniformity as I've seen them on the left, right, forward, back, etc. And I know it was recommended to put them at the rear on GT350s but it seems most dealership techs followed the Ford instructions and popped them on the RF fender...also avoided having to run a cable through the interior to the trunk.
In any event would love to see pics to compare.
Thanks!
Colin
Quote from: csx289 on February 05, 2021, 10:29:11 AM
Thanks Charles.
I'm working on an early '65 sold new at HPM with an AM-FM installed (on the invoice) and they put the antenna on the LR quarter. My other '65 from HPM had the same but I removed it years ago because I could never hear the radio anyway lol. Just trying to determine if there was any uniformity as I've seen them on the left, right, forward, back, etc. And I know it was recommended to put them at the rear on GT350s but it seems most dealership techs followed the Ford instructions and popped them on the RF fender...also avoided having to run a cable through the interior to the trunk.
In any event would love to see pics to compare.
Thanks!
Colin
Colin, HPM did many radio installations for SA. The vast majority were on the right front fender. The reason for that most likely is because the instruction sheet that came with the radio kit includes a template for laying out the position of the antenna on the right front fender. That front mount made it fast and easy. The rear not so much. Dealer installation would typically follow the same procedure. A rear antenna install requires different parts not included in the kit along with a higher labor rate. As Charles mentioned since it wasn't Ford installed there could be variations. It was out of the ordinary for a rear mount antenna on a 65. I am not saying it was never done but certainly out of the ordinary. The way we handle out of the ordinary occurrences in concours as a example is for the entrant to provide reasonable proof . Reasonable being the key word which allows for many possible ways but the burden is still on the entrant. The main incentive for rear antenna was for less AM static from interference coming from the unshielded all or partial fiberglass hood. This fix was typically discovered in later models after the cars had been out for a few years and incorporated into the design.
Hi Bob,
I agree completely- and in my post above draw the same conclusion you have. It was easier and faster to punch the hole on the RF fender and follow the Ford instructions.
I purchased the car I am working on from the original owner's estate. He bought it new at HPM in '65. On the invoice is noted his addition of a Ford AM/FM and they installed it with the antenna in the rear. LR quarter in fact. It's just in a different location than the one HPM put on the LR quarter of 5s249 so I am assuming it was just left to the lowest rung of the shop ladder employees to haphazardly put it where they wanted. But I'd love to see pics of any other known legit dealer installed rear antennas. Just curious as to where others were put and if there is any logic or if they are truly unique like snowflakes. LOL
Thanks,
Colin
...reference for those that have not seen the template provided in the antenna kit ...
On a 65 did they use the fender mount antenna and an extension cord to reach the radio, or did they have a different antenna with a long lead?
Quote from: KR Convertible on February 05, 2021, 12:23:32 PM
On a 65 did they use the fender mount antenna and an extension cord to reach the radio, or did they have a different antenna with a long lead?
The rear mount ones I've seen were a regular antenna with an extension.
That's my opinion too- they used the standard Ford antenna just mounted it in the rear. So, anybody have a '65/'66 with a rear antenna they care to share a photo of? Thanks!
66 march/april build
109 came from HPM and I purchased it from the original owners family and it has an antenna on the right rear quarter.
5S071 has its antenna on the right rear also. Original dealer was Lynch-Davidson Ford in Jacksonville, FL but I have no proof that it was installed there. (FWIW, who bothers to listen to the radio in a '65 GT350? For that matter, who can hear a radio in a '65 GT350?)
No 45 had the rear quarter antenna with a long cable to the radio. Like a dummy I plugged the hole and threw the cable away. I installed a radio and heater delete. Who listens to the radio or drives a 65 Shelby in the winter in Oh. Posted an old pic Steve Yates gave me when I purchased the car. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the pics guys! So, seems to be confirmed that there is absolutely no rhyme or reason with these things. But also seems to be the case that HPM put them on the left or rear quarter panel and not the front fender. Based on Greg with 5s109 and my two HPM 65s with rear antennas installed by HPM. If anybody else has a photo please share! (side note who knew so many 2-digit cars had radios? Crazy!)
Quote from: csx289 on February 08, 2021, 09:34:32 AM
Thanks for the pics guys! So, seems to be confirmed that there is absolutely no rhyme or reason with these things. But also seems to be the case that HPM put them on the left or rear quarter panel and not the front fender. Based on Greg with 5s109 and my two HPM 65s with rear antennas installed by HPM. If anybody else has a photo please share! (side note who knew so many 2-digit cars had radios? Crazy!)
Just to clarify,HPM did other radio installations most of which placed the antenna on the right front fender. Evidence supports some were done in the rear . The rear install was the exception and not the rule.
Hi Bob that's good info. Perhaps HPM later went to the front fender? Just based on the fact that these three early cars 109, 156, 249 are all rear antennas installed by HPM and one can safely assume there were more.
Quote from: csx289 on February 08, 2021, 10:38:22 AM
Hi Bob that's good info. Perhaps HPM later went to the front fender? Just based on the fact that these three early cars 109, 156, 249 are all rear antennas installed by HPM and one can safely assume there were more.
I would be surprised if there was not a front antenna install prior to the other car mentioned.
I guess we could chase it any variety of directions like a dog after his tail...;)
But obviously we know at least 3 65s that got a rear antenna at HPM just as a result of this post. To claim majority or minority 55 years on I guess we'd need hard proof of how many 65s got a radio installed at HPM and some way to tell where it was put. But first we'd need to go through (or ask Howard) how many 65s HPM delivered which is tricky because of Shelby's maneuvering around the dealer franchise issue and selling a lot of "demonstrator" cars at HPM. Not as cut and dry as looking up a place like Tousley Ford and seeing how many new 65s were delivered there etc.
But to stay on task it was just a curiosity to me and I wanted to see where other 65s with rear antennas had them mounted. Picking the flyshit out of the pepper as Kopec often accuses me of.
Quote from: csx289 on February 08, 2021, 01:31:20 PM
I guess we could chase it any variety of directions like a dog after his tail...;)
But obviously we know at least 3 65s that got a rear antenna at HPM just as a result of this post. To claim majority or minority 55 years on I guess we'd need hard proof of how many 65s got a radio installed at HPM and some way to tell where it was put. But first we'd need to go through (or ask Howard) how many 65s HPM delivered which is tricky because of Shelby's maneuvering around the dealer franchise issue and selling a lot of "demonstrator" cars at HPM. Not as cut and dry as looking up a place like Tousley Ford and seeing how many new 65s were delivered there etc.
But to stay on task it was just a curiosity to me and I wanted to see where other 65s with rear antennas had them mounted. Picking the flyshit out of the pepper as Kopec often accuses me of.
Colin ,we are are getting off track and more clarification is apparently needed at least as it relates to my statements. The issue was not how many cars HPM sold but how many cars that HPM or SA installed the radio had rear antenna. FYI the rear install would be more labor and more parts so no doubt it would show up as a higher cost compared to the front mount in Howards documents if you want to pursue that angle. To be clear I never said or implied that no rear mount antenna were installed only that there were not many done that way. I did however want to make the distinction for those reading that the rear mount antenna was not near as frequently done as the front mount . That is the general consensus.
Hi Bob,
Again, I appreciate your input- and I think you've just restated things that I stated in my posts above. Also my original post was simply asking for photos of rear mounted antennas on 65 GT350s. Not how many were done, what was prevalent, etc. I was also just stating the interesting fact that has come from this thread that there are 3 HPM rear antennas confirmed on this thread which I think is neat.
So, wasn't here to debate what the cost difference was or how many were done or where they were done, just curious as I am looking at one of them in my garage wondering how many different locations on the rear quarter panels did dealers actually put them- and also for my own curiosity does one spot look better to the naked eye than others.
Just doing a little internet bench racing as this is how we all learn, especially with the wealth of knowledge and 65 owners here.
Take care,
Colin
Quote from: csx289 on February 08, 2021, 03:55:05 PM
Hi Bob,
Again, I appreciate your input- and I think you've just restated things that I stated in my posts above. Also my original post was simply asking for photos of rear mounted antennas on 65 GT350s. Not how many were done, what was prevalent, etc. I was also just stating the interesting fact that has come from this thread that there are 3 HPM rear antennas confirmed on this thread which I think is neat.
So, wasn't here to debate what the cost difference was or how many were done or where they were done, just curious as I am looking at one of them in my garage wondering how many different locations on the rear quarter panels did dealers actually put them- and also for my own curiosity does one spot look better to the naked eye than others.
Just doing a little internet bench racing as this is how we all learn, especially with the wealth of knowledge and 65 owners here.
Take care,
Colin
Best of luck wit your search.
My guess then is that the "rule" would be that all most if not all Hertz cars were to have the radio antenna at the right front fender? Were the antennas for Hertz cars installed at SAI or at the dealer where delivered to before Hertz took possession?
Colin,
Another factor to consider is the proximity to the rear mounted battery for early cars. Any mechanic not wanting to fool around with working in the area of the battery and mounting hardware at the RH quarter might have decided to go with the standard ford mounting location. I can say that 541 had antenna in stock location while 262 never got the radio antenna installed that was sent in the trunk from what I could tell.
Wayne
Quote from: hertz350 on February 08, 2021, 04:31:06 PM
My guess then is that the "rule" would be that all most if not all Hertz cars were to have the radio antenna at the right front fender? Were the antennas for Hertz cars installed at SAI or at the dealer where delivered to before Hertz took possession?
Yes, many were jobed out to High Performance Motors .
Photo of 6S266 5S266 with rear antenna from 65 GT350 website...
(http://1965gt350mustang.com/images/own001bg.jpg)
Quote from: s2ms on February 08, 2021, 09:06:12 PM
Photo of 6S266 with rear antenna from 65 GT350 website...
(http://1965gt350mustang.com/images/own001bg.jpg)
Are you sure that photo is of 6S266? All details in the photo are that of a 1965 GT350 and not a 1966 model.
Cheers,
~Earl J
Quote from: SFM5S000 on February 08, 2021, 09:34:34 PM
Are you sure that photo is of 6S266? All details in the photo are that of a 1965 GT350 and not a 1966 model.
Cheers,
~Earl J
Typo, my bad! Thanks for catching it, corrected!
Just saw this thread and don't want to go too far off topic but I do think it is important to note the importance of Hi Performance Motors and their actual relationship to the factory.
HPM was internally referred to as the "factory showroom". In fact, if you took a tour of SAI in period and asked to see some of the cars up close, an employee was likely to hand you a photo copy of a hand drawn map which outlined the route "around the corner" to visit the "factory showroom". It was referenced that way on the sheet which I have found a few examples of over my years of collecting old Shelby American related junk!
Continuing on that thought, the perception of most people seems to be that HPM was a separate entity from Shelby American but the more I learn about HPM, the less likely that seems. HPM was effectively "run" by Ray Wolff..supposedly owned by Carroll Shelby, Lew Spencer, and 3 other SAI employees. That said, HPMs financial statements were distributed to all the executives at Shelby American and seemed to be treated as a division of SAI. In addition, cars were run internationally on DLR 4101 plates from the dealership quite often along side other cars which ran MFG 013 plates.
Just a lot of things which point to the dealership as being the "factory showroom" in more ways than just in "name only". I personally don't see much difference between HPM and 'shelby racing co', "Carroll Shelby Enterprises" etc etc. To me, Im pretty sure they were all under the same umbrella of companies and not so much the separate entities that we now think of them as.
Anyway, what were we talking about? ;D Sorry for the excessive "interference" in the conversation. :o
Kind regards,
Vern
Quote from: Vernon Estes on February 09, 2021, 03:46:13 PM
Just saw this thread and don't want to go too far off topic but I do think it is important to note the importance of Hi Performance Motors and their actual relationship to the factory.
HPM was internally referred to as the "factory showroom". In fact, if you took a tour of SAI in period and asked to see some of the cars up close, an employee was likely to hand you a photo copy of a hand drawn map which outlined the route "around the corner" to visit the "factory showroom". It was referenced that way on the sheet which I have found a few examples of over my years of collecting old Shelby American related junk!
Continuing on that thought, the perception of most people seems to be that HPM was a separate entity from Shelby American but the more I learn about HPM, the less likely that seems. HPM was effectively "run" by Ray Wolff..supposedly owned by Carroll Shelby, Lew Spencer, and 3 other SAI employees. That said, HPMs financial statements were distributed to all the executives at Shelby American and seemed to be treated as a division of SAI. In addition, cars were run internationally on DLR 4101 plates from the dealership quite often along side other cars which ran MFG 013 plates.
Just a lot of things which point to the dealership as being the "factory showroom" in more ways than just in "name only". I personally don't see much difference between HPM and 'shelby racing co', "Carroll Shelby Enterprises" etc etc. To me, Im pretty sure they were all under the same umbrella of companies and not so much the separate entities that we now think of them as.
Anyway, what were we talking about? ;D Sorry for the excessive "interference" in the conversation. :o
Kind regards,
Vern
Vern ,any insight as to how many cars HPM installed radios in on SA behalf for 65 and 66 production?