With all the talk of fires and disappearing vehicles I was recommended by a friend to put one of these on my car. He is a just recently retired airline pilot having flown big birds so I trust his judgment having survived 30,000 hours of time up in the skies. I will let y'all know how the install goes.
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NW_785116?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google&campaign=GSC-Fasteners-Hardware&campaign_id=10947735022&adgroup_id=107081865346&adtype=pla&gclid=CjwKCAiAg9urBhB_EiwAgw88mfO9yp-N-ez5wLRLEraYzopeMAwWGBdZaJPyRyDmL3i3x1NuzNHBTxoCPgsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1
I know a couple of people who have installed those. Good idea.
John
A lot of people I know use those but I haven't made the jump yet. Let us know.
Here it is. I am going in.
Quote from: deathsled on December 11, 2023, 01:44:23 PM
Here it is. I am going in.
most excellent preferance, make sure it is adequately date coded for your choice vehicle
Will that prevent fire?
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 11, 2023, 02:01:34 PM
Will that prevent fire?
probably not since Tony's car burned up.
Quote from: deathsled on December 11, 2023, 11:56:33 AM
With all the talk of fires and disappearing vehicles I was recommended by a friend to put one of these on my car. He is a just recently retired airline pilot having flown big birds so I trust his judgment having survived 30,000 hours of time up in the skies. I will let y'all know how the install goes.
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NW_785116?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google&campaign=GSC-Fasteners-Hardware&campaign_id=10947735022&adgroup_id=107081865346&adtype=pla&gclid=CjwKCAiAg9urBhB_EiwAgw88mfO9yp-N-ez5wLRLEraYzopeMAwWGBdZaJPyRyDmL3i3x1NuzNHBTxoCPgsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1
I would recommend the knife-blade style instead. The screw type can have a corrosion issue and may not make good contact. https://www.amazon.com/Battery-Disconnect-Isolator-Negative-Vertical/dp/B07YTWJQF2/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=34LGZDUDR06RO&keywords=battery+cutoff&qid=1702321955&sprefix=battery+cutoff%2Caps%2C136&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
Quote from: A-Snake on December 11, 2023, 02:12:37 PM
Quote from: deathsled on December 11, 2023, 11:56:33 AM
With all the talk of fires and disappearing vehicles I was recommended by a friend to put one of these on my car. He is a just recently retired airline pilot having flown big birds so I trust his judgment having survived 30,000 hours of time up in the skies. I will let y'all know how the install goes.
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NW_785116?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google&campaign=GSC-Fasteners-Hardware&campaign_id=10947735022&adgroup_id=107081865346&adtype=pla&gclid=CjwKCAiAg9urBhB_EiwAgw88mfO9yp-N-ez5wLRLEraYzopeMAwWGBdZaJPyRyDmL3i3x1NuzNHBTxoCPgsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1
I would recommend the knife-blade style instead. The screw type can have a corrosion issue and may not make good contact. https://www.amazon.com/Battery-Disconnect-Isolator-Negative-Vertical/dp/B07YTWJQF2/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=34LGZDUDR06RO&keywords=battery+cutoff&qid=1702321955&sprefix=battery+cutoff%2Caps%2C136&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
I wonder if they sell a RH/LH variety of that?
Quote from: deathsled on December 11, 2023, 01:44:23 PM
Here it is. I am going in.
Those have been available since at least the early 80's. They originally were advertised as a theft deterrent. You unscrewed the green knob and put it in your pocket so no one could start your car. Of course it can be easily bypassed . Later consciences supported it being used for log term storage where a slight draw of current from the car would keep the battery from being drained. A added benefit is that during storage and with the disconnect used there is no chance of a electrical fire from a faulty circuit that is normally powered by the battery. Yes as has been stated corrosion can build up and common sense maintenance is a given . The basic one pictured has drawbacks but can be easily cleaned and less obnoxious looking compared to the knife blade lever type . But that is just my opinion.
It won't prevent a fire, just delay it until you are driving your car!
Any car thief that can't get past that isn't going to have a very successful career.
I have been disconnecting the negative cable in using a rubber cap over the post for over 30 years. No fires, no drained battery, no ugly add on.
Quote from: greekz on December 11, 2023, 03:27:43 PM
I have been disconnecting the negative cable in using a rubber cap over the post for over 30 years. No fires, no drained battery, no ugly add on.
I've been doing the same. Current repop Autolite 24F battery has been in the car since 2009 and still going strong.
Quote from: greekz on December 11, 2023, 03:27:43 PM
I have been disconnecting the negative cable in using a rubber cap over the post for over 30 years. No fires, no drained battery, no ugly add on.
Ditto
Should get 2 for added protection , and don't forget that oil filter magnet too ::) :o :-\ LOL
Quote from: greekz on December 11, 2023, 03:27:43 PM
I have been disconnecting the negative cable in using a rubber cap over the post for over 30 years. No fires, no drained battery, no ugly add on.
+3
I've always disconnected the positive terminal. That way I know 100% there's no chance of electricity in the system, via a possible short.
What's the benefit of removing the negative terminal instead of the positive?
I stuck this one in the Model A. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g1442?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKCAiAg9urBhB_EiwAgw88meQQlE_DZKu-pPJ3d1ZwhIHeT1EjlRZGIsvDkJy1CB0cEiDd0H8OthoCeokQAvD_BwE
It's hidden under the edge of the floor mat. Don't use a disconnect in a car that has a brain (OBD I (?) & II). it will have to relearn every time you reconnect.
The negative cable provides the grounding for the entire car via the engine block to the firewall. Without a ground, nothing in the electrical system functions. Disconnecting the positive is another way to isolate the battery, but the car is has a ground. I just prefer removing the ground.
Greekz, thanks for your reply.
Agreed, in a properly operating electrical system, disconnecting the positive or negative produces the same absolute no-current-possible results.
But, could there be an occurrence where there's a slight short somewhere in the system that could manifest into something bad if the positive is left connected? I'd think that might be possibility.
That's why I choose to remove the positive.
I guess I could remove both cables, then been able to sleep completely worry-free. ;D
Quote from: Side-Oilers on December 11, 2023, 05:31:10 PM
I guess I could remove both cables, then been able to sleep completely worry-free. ;D
Or install 2 of those ;)
X2 VAN .....Electricians and MEK A NICKS prefer to remove the power source not just remove a circuit, myself included!
I have never felt any anxiety by removing only the negative cable. I suppose totally removing the battery from the circuit could be one more step to a peaceful nights sleep. We all have to do what feels comfortable.
I have been using the NAPA disconnect for years without a problem. Definingly prevents any battery bleed. Didi not use it on the 65 Mustang GT due to annoyance of having to reset the the clock each time. I used a trickle charger instead which was disconnected when I was not going to be at home in case of fire.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 11, 2023, 05:11:04 PM
I stuck this one in the Model A. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g1442?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKCAiAg9urBhB_EiwAgw88meQQlE_DZKu-pPJ3d1ZwhIHeT1EjlRZGIsvDkJy1CB0cEiDd0H8OthoCeokQAvD_BwE
Sure you mounted your safely but it reminded me of a similar one mount on a 67 Shelby a few years back I found during an inspection. Someone didn't think it through IMHO. Might have been very exciting when the driver went to engage the parking brake and the cable was pulled against the post or cable end(s)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-111223181903-200121633.jpeg)
Battery kill switch is installed. Video is in the link.
https://youtu.be/hRIReH9TmQQ
The benefit of said switch works where your car is parked long enough for a thief to steal your car but not long enough for the thief to diagnose and remedy the problem.
Quote from: deathsled on December 11, 2023, 06:37:35 PM
Battery kill switch is installed. Video is in the link.
https://youtu.be/hRIReH9TmQQ
The benefit of said switch works where your car is parked long enough for a thief to steal your car but not long enough for the thief to diagnose and remedy the problem.
counselor we are so impressed with your videos, the tone, clarity and the eloqounce of your speech made for us the common folks easy to comprehend and follow.
your proper usage of P. P. E.s gloves, glasses was on point to not only illustrate the proper installation, but a proper safe installation.
we give you two thumbs up !
if you ever leave the legal field, you could possible transcend as the "Mechanical Ghuru"
best of luck !
You're hilarious, Tony. I am barely above putting a nut and bolt together. Any mechanical knowledge I have, which is entirely scant, is all derivative from all those around me and those who existed before me. I have invented nothing, built nothing, welded nothing.
Quote from: deathsled on December 11, 2023, 07:24:53 PM
You're hilarious, Tony. I am barely above putting a nut and bolt together. Any mechanical knowledge I have, which is entirely scant, is all derivative from all those around me and those who existed before me. I have invented nothing, built nothing, welded nothing.
your modesty and humility knows no bounds.....
SLED ..... Thats why you are a Lawyer. It was fun to watch, but you over came all obstacles on your quest to install that damned new cut out switch. Congratulations! ;)
The + & - posts are different sizes on the battery. Install the cut out on the one it fits best. I prefer to install between the ground cable an grounding location.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 11, 2023, 11:06:57 PM
The + & - posts are different sizes on the battery. Install the cut out on the one it fits best. I prefer to install between the ground cable an grounding location.
The negative fit best and appears to be the suggested terminal on the switch. Everything works as intended. How effective it might be remains to be seen. I think it will deter a fast theft where you park the car for a short duration of time that is long enough to allow a theft to occur but thwarts a thief because you are not long enough away from your car for the thief to diagnose the problem and find a remedy. Plus the manual transmission does not help auto thieves these days. Anything that buys you some time is in the positive ledger. Plus the battery discharges more slowly and the risk of a short leading to a fire is reduced while parked.
Quote from: 427heaven on December 11, 2023, 09:40:20 PM
SLED ..... Thats why you are a Lawyer. It was fun to watch, but you over came all obstacles on your quest to install that damned new cut out switch. Congratulations! ;)
Well it works and performs as intended anyway. I would like to learn how to build an engine some day. That some day better arrive soon. I am much older now and running out of time.
Quote from: deathsled on December 12, 2023, 12:03:41 AM
Quote from: 427heaven on December 11, 2023, 09:40:20 PM
SLED ..... Thats why you are a Lawyer. It was fun to watch, but you over came all obstacles on your quest to install that damned new cut out switch. Congratulations! ;)
Well it works and performs as intended anyway. I would like to learn how to build an engine some day. That some day better arrive soon. I am much older now and running out of time.
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Quote from: greekz on December 11, 2023, 03:27:43 PM
I have been disconnecting the negative cable in using a rubber cap over the post for over 30 years. No fires, no drained battery, no ugly add on.
+1 Real easy no problems. I've never used a rubber cap though. I just clean the terminal if it needs it. I got some caps though so will be adding them.
So what little I know about electronics I'd say when you disconnect the negative cable you have now disabled the electrons flowing out of the system therefore any short that may occur doesn't because without the loop of the negative system on the battery there is no chance of drawing anything from the battery at this point to cause a fire. Real easy to check. ground out a courtesy light switch with the neg off and then the negative on-no blowing of the fuse so the whole system is dead. Never disconnect a pos cable first. Always the negative. Reverse order when installing.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 12, 2023, 08:54:02 AM
Quote from: greekz on December 11, 2023, 03:27:43 PM
I have been disconnecting the negative cable in using a rubber cap over the post for over 30 years. No fires, no drained battery, no ugly add on.
+1 Real easy no problems. I've never used a rubber cap though. I just clean the terminal if it needs it. I got some caps though so will be adding them.
I use a rubber cap just in case while using wrenches they do not accidentally bridge between the positive and negative terminals. I have noticed as I advance in age, my dexterity is not what it used to be.
Google remote battery disconnect switch. you will find several different kinds and they come with a key fob type thing to carry and just push a button and it will disconnect. Come back to your car and hit the button and you're ready to go.
Roy
Quote from: greekz on December 11, 2023, 03:27:43 PM
I have been disconnecting the negative cable in using a rubber cap over the post for over 30 years. No fires, no drained battery, no ugly add on.
+2
FYI In the process of connecting and disconnecting the battery cables the negative cable is much less likely to crack from fatigue compared to the positive cable. That is one reason to use a battery disconnect contraptions to lesson the risk. This is very important to consider when using rare original assemblyline positive battery cables. Not so much when using easily replaceable repro cables. The genuine original Ford made negative battery cables are really as rare as hens teeth. There have been many in recent years that have been duped into buying first generation Marti negative battery cables (before he started using metric wire) as genuine and big money given their patina after 30+ years.
FYI although authentic assemblyine looking battery cable terminals look to be made out of the same material ,the positive battery cable terminal is softer solid lead where as the inside of the negative battery cable is made of less likely to fracture brass before being tin/lead dipped.
I had one on mine years ago, I didn't see the benefit
Just put your battery on a good trickle feed.
Haven't had problem in 15 years on my classics and modern collection
Just for thought:
Actually as defined the current flow is the directional movement of the free electrons thru a conductor, but realize that since electrons are negatively charged they actually flow in the direction towards the positive terminal of the battery! ;)
Ever wonder why many older vehicles were "Positive-Ground"? ???
Scott.
Quote from: GT350AUS on May 10, 2024, 05:31:30 AMI had one on mine years ago, I didn't see the benefit
Just put your battery on a good trickle feed.
Haven't had problem in 15 years on my classics and modern collection
They were originally advertised as a theft deterrent. You unscrewed the knob and stick it in your pocket and walk away. Not advocating for how effective just relaying what it was originally advertised for.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 10, 2024, 11:04:21 AMQuote from: GT350AUS on May 10, 2024, 05:31:30 AMI had one on mine years ago, I didn't see the benefit
Just put your battery on a good trickle feed.
Haven't had problem in 15 years on my classics and modern collection
They were originally advertised as a theft deterrent. You unscrewed the knob and stick it in your pocket and walk away. Not advocating for how effective just relaying what it was originally advertised for.
It makes a quick theft much more difficult unless the thief has one in their goodies bag which is unlikely. It will take them time to figure out the problem which may be enough time to catch them before they succeed. The device won't prevent a theft but it sure will slow down a thief's methodology.