Is anyone interested in my story?
Would like to hear more.
Yes Vic tell it!
Most definitely!!
Craig R.
100%!!
Great preview! Let's hear it
8) Great photo's! Lets here your story
It is not an easy story for me to tell, in fact, it's heartbreaking and embarrassing. It's brought hate into my life, a word I don't even like to have in my vocabulary. And for Craig or maybe Chad that thinks it was a good idea to buy this car with no interest in it other than to flip it for profit. this person thinks he saved a car, but what he does not know, he participated in the theft of my childhood dream and turn it into a nightmare. Are you sure you want to know this story? Because it's not a story about a GT350. It's the story of that little kid you see in that picture. V
Well, now I can't wait to psychoanalyze you...
Ok you have our attention.......
According to the registry, there were 7 cars 'finished' 2 days after 558.
We would like to hear any story about any Shelby. Especially vintage stories about vintage Shelbys.
Please step up to the mic and tell us.
Quote from: Coralsnake on July 22, 2023, 08:02:28 AM
Well, now I can't wait to psychoanalyze you...
Congratulatulations Coralsnake, the forum now has you to blame for me to keep my story to myself! Was that your intention?
Quote from: CharlesTurner on July 22, 2023, 12:22:34 PM
According to the registry, there were 7 cars 'finished' 2 days after 558.
Is 5S558 not known to be 4th from the last, it has been told to me and has been referred to it by more acknowledgeable than me of it being so. you appear to be right! shit, no one wants
to hear about the 14th from the last...... I feel better already ty but what about > http://1965gt350mustang.com/numbers.html
I would like to know where Craig or Chad got their lead on this car, did someone contact you like Randy or was it someone else? P.D.L maybe?
Quote from: mr5oa on July 23, 2023, 12:33:30 AM
Is 5S558 not known to be 4th from the last, it has been told to me and has been referred to it by more acknowledgeable than me of it being so. you appear to be right! shit, no one wants
to hear about the 14th from the last...... I feel better already ty but what about > http://1965gt350mustang.com/numbers.html
It's the 4th from the last of the '65 run of 562. Just pointing out the cars were not necessarily built in sequential order. So, 4th from the last '65 SFM number but 8th from the last completed. Doesn't amount to anything, but it's interesting to us numbers guys. :-)
I purchased the car from Craig. No idea how he found out about the car.
I think it sounds like the kid in the pictures is missing the car from his family that they owned years ago. Am I right? Were you able to buy it back and someone ripped it out of your hands? Tell us the story. I also can tell you similar stories but at the end of the day I'm lucky to be healthy and having my kids and my wife around me and yes these cars are amazing and I really love them but they are just cars.
But a lot of people making money with these and that's it, they don't care about our stories or that we are maybe the better caretakers for these cars they only care about the highest price. Maybe wait for another 10 years and it will come back to you, who knows how it end. A lot of people own cars like these just to make a profit but when the economy hit hard the prices will drop really fast and there is a chance to buy.
And yes I learned from all these posts that I will never sell some of my cars and I´m a dealer. I had some really crazy offers for my GT500 67 but I never will sell this one as my kids will be the next caretakers for it. They really love cars and they love the old ones not the new plastic crap.
Registry entry is pretty standard. Fill in the gaps for us. We are left in suspense here
I think everyone likes to hear car stories, but this sounds weird. Prove me wrong...
Quote from: mr5oa on July 22, 2023, 07:33:03 AM
It is not an easy story for me to tell, in fact, it's heartbreaking and embarrassing. It's brought hate into my life, a word I don't even like to have in my vocabulary. And for Craig or maybe Chad that thinks it was a good idea to buy this car with no interest in it other than to flip it for profit. this person thinks he saved a car, but what he does not know, he participated in the theft of my childhood dream and turn it into a nightmare. Are you sure you want to know this story? Because it's not a story about a GT350. It's the story of that little kid you see in that picture. V
Having grown up with Ford Mustang convertibles coming and going while I was too young to drive (legally ;) ), I'd like to hear/read the story, if you don't want to post it publically, send it to me via the private message system here.
Bill
I, too, would like to hear your story.
Are you the little guy front and center in the photo?
Ok, I promise I wont post on your thread anymore....let her rip.... ;)
Would love to hear the story. Some more info here:
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1825.0 (https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1825.0)
http://www.donlee.com/gt350 (http://www.donlee.com/gt350)
Vic, it's a sad story. Growing up loving your family, and dreaming of a day when the Shelby would be back on the road, the way it all ended up is sad. Just know that it is family health and happiness that matters. Love your kids and keep your head up.
Btw, this forum can be a great place for info, but can also be brutal at times (poor Hoovie). So if you post the full story be prepared for the replies you get.
Devo
Until we hear more............
https://www.motortrend.com/features/1401-1965-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-350-a-racers-racer/
https://www.motortrend.com/events/1508-shelby-mustangs-at-the-2015-pebble-beach-concours-delegance/
I don't understand why you think everybody here is against you please read the posts and you will see that a lot of people here want to hear your story. I know some of the people here and I think they are old and wise enough that you can post your story here. Believe me you will find people here that share your opinions and also some that will not but that's ok.
I'm still trying to understand the point of the entire post? What is this all about?
Quote from: shelbydoug on July 24, 2023, 07:35:20 AM
I'm still trying to understand the point of the entire post? What is this all about?
Me too , tell the story or get off the pot .
Quote from: shelbydoug on July 24, 2023, 07:35:20 AM
I'm still trying to understand the point of the entire post? What is this all about?
I think it's the story about a Hanging Chad. :D
Im guessing it is about a Shelby that got away from someone with a strong history and attachment to the car. That happened to me with a 69 convertible gt350 I first saw in 1979. I posted a wanted ad for a dash pad in the Pittsburgh press. A respondent said I have one, but you have to remove it from the car. Low and behold, it is in Shelby number 99, and the owner was installing factory ac. I was 15 and putting a tach dash and cluster in my 70 Mach 1. I had never seen a Shelby before, but I was hooked after seeing a red on white convertible.
I tried to buy the car over the next 30 years but without success. Finally, I am at a Boy Scouts popcorn function and a guy is talking about a red Shelby convertible recently sold. I get the contact info and spend 2 years trying to buy it from a dealer near Pittsburgh. I offered up to 130k for the car that was disassembled and had a replacement fender apron. I didn't care that I was paying above market. I acted as an advisor on the shops restoration of the car, and it was judged at saac34 beaver run. They kept raising the price and it seemed like they were trying to gouge me because of my attachment.
I decided to look for another Shelby convertible. A week later, my car #100, shows up on eBay. That's right, 1 number off from my holy grail car. Bret went out to Vegas and wrangled the car for me.
My car turned out to be a rust free California black plate car with original drivetrain that matched. And as an added bonus, it was $40k less, and didn't need putting together.
Quote from: 69 GT350 Vert on July 24, 2023, 09:02:36 AM
A week later, my car #100, shows up on eBay. That's right, 1 number off from my holy grail car. Bret went out to Vegas and wrangled the car for me.
I remember the story about the seller being "a little difficult" to deal with. That being an understatement.
Bill
Yes. He was trying to title skip Nevada and called me at midnight once. He said he had a bad night "at the tables" and needed me to wire $5k immediately if I wanted the car. I told him to keep the car and not to call me again.
A few weeks later I was talking to Bret about something else and told him the story about a really good car owned by a difficult person. Bret said, I am good at dealing with difficult people and I can get it for you, which he did.
I guess the point is that sometimes when you don't get the holy grail, you end up with something even better.
Quote from: 69 GT350 Vert on July 24, 2023, 09:18:24 AM
Yes. He was trying to title skip Nevada and called me at midnight once. He said he had a bad night "at the tables" and needed me to wire $5k immediately if I wanted the car. I told him to keep the car and not to call me again.
A few weeks later I was talking to Bret about something else and told him the story about a really good car owned by a difficult person. Bret said, I am good at dealing with difficult people and I can get it for you, which he did.
I guess the point is that sometimes when you don't get the holy grail, you end up with something even better.
Love it , dont make any concessions to terrorists !
One of my favorite movies academy award winning " Raid on Entebbe " (Operation Thunderbolt)
Quote from: 69 GT350 Vert on July 24, 2023, 09:02:36 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on July 24, 2023, 07:35:20 AM
I'm still trying to understand the point of the entire post? What is this all about?
I think it's the story about a Hanging Chad. :D
Im guessing it is about a Shelby that got away from someone with a strong history and attachment to the car. That happened to me with a 69 convertible gt350 I first saw in 1979. I posted a wanted ad for a dash pad in the Pittsburgh press. A respondent said I have one, but you have to remove it from the car. Low and behold, it is in Shelby number 99, and the owner was installing factory ac. I was 15 and putting a tach dash and cluster in my 70 Mach 1. I had never seen a Shelby before, but I was hooked after seeing a red on white convertible.
I tried to buy the car over the next 30 years but without success. Finally, I am at a Boy Scouts popcorn function and a guy is talking about a red Shelby convertible recently sold. I get the contact info and spend 2 years trying to buy it from a dealer near Pittsburgh. I offered up to 130k for the car that was disassembled and had a replacement fender apron. I didn't care that I was paying above market. I acted as an advisor on the shops restoration of the car, and it was judged at saac34 beaver run. They kept raising the price and it seemed like they were trying to gouge me because of my attachment.
I decided to look for another Shelby convertible. A week later, my car #100, shows up on eBay. That's right, 1 number off from my holy grail car. Bret went out to Vegas and wrangled the car for me.
My car turned out to be a rust free California black plate car with original drivetrain that matched. And as an added bonus, it was $40k less, and didn't need putting together.
;D
Number 99 has an interesting history that includes the death of the owner in a motorcycle crash, a falsified will by the widow, and a lengthy estate battle between the widow and 3 children who were left with $1 each. It was tied up in the court so long I gave up on it.
Quote from: 69 GT350 Vert on July 24, 2023, 10:08:36 AM
Number 99 has an interesting history that includes the death of the owner in a motorcycle crash, a falsified will by the widow, and a lengthy estate battle between the widow and 3 children who were left with $1 each. It was tied up in the court so long I gave up on it.
The plot thickens !
Quote from: 69 GT350 Vert on July 24, 2023, 10:08:36 AM......an interesting history that includes the death of the owner .......a falsified will ...... tied up in the court ........
Sounds like the original Daytona Coupe. But a couple million more from the buyer (for the papers) ended the court part in record time.
Quote from: FL SAAC on July 24, 2023, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on July 24, 2023, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: 69 GT350 Vert on July 24, 2023, 10:08:36 AM......an interesting history that includes the death of the owner .......a falsified will ...... tied up in the court ........
Sounds like the original Daytona Coupe. But a couple million more from the buyer (for the papers) ended the court part in record time.
Getty better than Nancy Drew.....do tell !
Basically owner (daughter of Phil Specter's deceased body guard) gave signed pink with keys to car and storage space to a friend. She then committed suicide. Mom was contacted by broker on behalf of buyer with millions and sold car. Friend who had been given car went to storage and found car gone. Filed theft report. New buyer didn't want to turn loose of car. Mom said she had spent/given away all the money (within a week of getting it) so she couldn't give money back. Ends up in court settlement is reached when new buyer coughs up another couple million to the friend for the title bringing total to 6+ million. Mom got off scott free for her theft and sale of the car and wasn't worth suing since she didn't have 2 nickels to rub together.
Quote from: shelbydoug on July 24, 2023, 09:19:35 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on July 24, 2023, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: mr5oa on July 21, 2023, 09:05:52 PM
Is anyone interested in my story?
Yes , tell us !
You should get a life and find something constructive to do with your time.
Gotta agree. We've tried to fill in space and pique his interest but I guess the noob really doesn't have a story to tell.
Daytona coupe story:
https://www.nvsaac.com/gallery/missing_daytona_coupe.htm
Roy
Unfortunately, I dont think Vic is going to tell his story.
A lot was said in his early posts, about how someone "stole" his dream. Those people bought the car from his dad. I dont believe they stole anything.
A lot was also revealed when he decided not to tell "his" story because of a off handed comment.
....and yes you have me to "blame" thank for that.
This is not group therapy. Best to you Vic, I hope you get things worked out and stop blaming strangers for your issues.
You seem to think you know me somehow? but your off hand comment was a bit off putting and my reply was that the forum has you to blame for me not wanting to tell my story. if I don't tell the story because of you there are no two ways around it you are to blame! The truly ugly message that you sent was uncalled for and very mean spirited. Maybe somehow you think I am going to let that slide because you are mr big Shot on this site, So I posed your message to me for all to see what a nice guy you are! I have done nothing to be embarrassed about, and will I ask the forum if they agree? You are nothing to me unless you happen to be Craig> if so you do not want this story told and you know it! either way, maybe you have inspired me to tell it I have yet to write ahole Love Victor >pictures offered to lighten the mood, My mother/my angel and Skip Hudson's Lancer sponsored Lola T70
If I had a dollar for every lost a car story, I would give it to a go fund me for therapy for these poor souls.
Quote from: mr5oa on July 25, 2023, 11:51:15 AM
You seem to think you know me somehow? but your off hand comment was a bit off putting and my reply was that the forum has you to blame for me not wanting to tell my story. if I don't tell the story because of you there are no two ways around it you are to blame! The truly ugly message that you sent was uncalled for and very mean spirited. Maybe somehow you think I am going to let that slide because you are mr big Shot on this site, So I posed your message to me for all to see what a nice guy you are! I have done nothing to be embarrassed about, and will I ask the forum if they agree? You are nothing to me unless you happen to be Craig> if so you do not want this story told and you know it! either way, maybe you have inspired me to tell it I have yet to write ahole Love Victor >pictures offered to lighten the mood, My mother/my angel and Skip Hudson's Lancer sponsored Lola T70
Quote from: Coralsnake on July 25, 2023, 07:46:28 AM
Unfortunately, I dont think Vic is going to tell his story.
A lot was said in his early posts, about how someone "stole" his dream. Those people bought the car from his dad. I dont believe they stole anything.
A lot was also revealed when he decided not to tell "his" story because of a off handed comment.
....and yes you have me to "blame" thank for that.
This is not group therapy. Best to you Vic, I hope you get things worked out and stop blaming strangers for your issues.
Either tell your story or don't. I really do not understand this tickling our a$$es with a feather approach. It seems to support Pete's inference.
Corey
Quote from: mr5oa on July 25, 2023, 11:51:15 AM
So I posed your message to me for all to see what a nice guy you are!
I'm not taking sides here, but one rule you learn along the way is that private messages remain private, you simply do not post them out in the open without the original senders permission. This is a hard and fast rule for every public forum I belong to, since the 1990's when the internet was in it's infancy.
With that said, you really only get one chance to make a first impression, keep that in mind while you teeter on the edge of whatever story you wanted to tell, or still want to eventually tell. My advice, take a step back, a deep breath, and don't judge the group as a whole by what some members put into print.
Again, I'm not taking sides here, so, if you want to tell "your story", tell it, if not, then you need to ask yourself "why am I still here"?
Wish you well.
Bill
This just in - FLSAAC has decided to take mr5oa fishing and either get the story or lose him overboard.
Tony has a problem with the same guy mr5oa has - seems when Tony was a kid the same guy talked his dad out of the boat trailer tires and life hasn't been the same for him since.......
History of 5S558: Information from Internet:
Originally sent to Warren Anderson Ford in Riverside, California.
Purchased by original owner, Lloyd Asbury, California 11/65.
Parked in the 1970s and stored outside for some time, unrestored.
Purchased in 2000 by Craig C. Reportedly for $100,000.
Original owner retired to Mexico.
Sold to Chad.
Sold to race car driver, Bobby Rahal.
Appeared SAAC-39 / Road America Elkhart Lake, WI
Reportedly underwent a "six digit restoration" by Don Hoevel, IL.
In Scotland 2015 ?
Appeared at 2015 Pebble Beach Concours, placing third behind two other prototype Shelbys.
For sale in 2016 for $425,000
in San Diego at Grand Prix Classics
For sale in 2018 for $595,000
Please let me know if anything is inaccurate.
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/8-250723172344.jpeg)
Quote from: CharlesTurner on July 23, 2023, 01:17:41 AM
Quote from: mr5oa on July 23, 2023, 12:33:30 AM
Is 5S558 not known to be 4th from the last, it has been told to me and has been referred to it by more acknowledgeable than me of it being so. you appear to be right! shit, no one wants
to hear about the 14th from the last...... I feel better already ty but what about > http://1965gt350mustang.com/numbers.html
It's the 4th from the last of the '65 run of 562. Just pointing out the cars were not necessarily built in sequential order. So, 4th from the last '65 SFM number but 8th from the last completed. Doesn't amount to anything, but it's interesting to us numbers guys. :-)
Thank you for your input> V
Quote from: Chad on July 23, 2023, 01:44:42 AM
I purchased the car from Craig. No idea how he found out about the car.
Thank you for your input, I will have to take your word on that. V
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on July 25, 2023, 05:05:38 PM
This just in - FLSAAC has decided to take mr5oa fishing and either get the story or lose him overboard.
Tony has a problem with the same guy mr5oa has - seems when Tony was a kid the same guy talked his dad out of the boat trailer tires and life hasn't been the same for him since.......
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on July 25, 2023, 05:05:38 PM
This just in - FLSAAC has decided to take mr5oa fishing and either get the story or lose him overboard.
Tony has a problem with the same guy mr5oa has - seems when Tony was a kid the same guy talked his dad out of the boat trailer tires and life hasn't been the same for him since.......
Quote from: Coralsnake on July 25, 2023, 05:18:53 PM
History of 5S558: Information from Internet:
Originally sent to Warren Anderson Ford in Riverside, California.
Purchased by original owner, Lloyd Asbury, California 11/65.
Parked in the 1970s and stored outside for some time, unrestored.
Purchased in 2000 by Craig C. Reportedly for $100,000.
Original owner retired to Mexico.
Sold to Chad.
Sold to race car driver, Bobby Rahal.
Appeared SAAC-39 / Road America Elkhart Lake, WI
Reportedly underwent a "six digit restoration" by Don Hoevel, IL.
In Scotland 2015 ?
Appeared at 2015 Pebble Beach Concours, placing third behind two other prototype Shelbys.
For sale in 2016 for $425,000
in San Diego at Grand Prix Classics
For sale in 2018 for $595,000
Please let me know if anything is inaccurate.
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/8-250723172344.jpeg)
Chad why would you change the story? It really implies you know more than what you have stated about not knowing where Craig got the car. Are you trying to cover for your buddy Craig. I have nothing to lose or gain. Now both you and Craig have tried to gaslight me! 99 truths and 1 lie don't make the story true>quote from Motor Trend> Chad Odum, had acquired the car after it had sat beside the original owner's garage in Riverside, California, for over 30 years. end of quote<< My dad never lived in Riverside and I never live there as well, Where was the car picked up from, I will give you a hint> the off the property of the little guy in the picture that owned and in possession of the car for over 20 years when taken.You know I told someone this story and they told me if he won the lottery that they would buy the car back and give it to me, I told him thanks but no amount of money can bring back a one-owner GT350 and it still be that a one owner, it won't bring back my brother that committed suicide or my mother that passed from cancer that was the conservator of my mentally unstable brother or heal her grief caused by this hole ordeal that lived with me tell the day she passed. go ahead blow me off, IDC https://www.motortrend.com/features/1401-1965-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-350-a-racers-racer/
I'm going to end my participation in this conversation by saying one thing: I am truly sorry those events happened in your life.
Do you not think an apology is warranted by your cruel and possibly naive comments made about my character and financial means? That you really have no idea about? I am retired now and I should be working on my one-owner Shelby GT 350 with my son Craig Asbury, which no amount of money can replace! The car was worth more than money can buy to me! That may be hard for you to understand. As bad as the car was it would have been ten times worse if not for the amount of effort I put into it. Who is to blame? I am for accepting the responsibility of housing my family because I had the means to do so. Forgive me too for I too can be an asshole! this is not the story I wanted to tell!
Quote from: mr5oa on July 26, 2023, 07:45:47 AM
Do you not think an apology is warranted by your cruel and possibly naive comments made about my character and financial means? That you really have no idea about? I am retired now and I should be working on my one-owner Shelby GT 350 with my son Craig Asbury, which no amount of money can replace! The car was worth more than money can buy to me! That may be hard for you to understand. As bad as the car was it would have been ten times worse if not for the amount of effort I put into it. Who is to blame? I am for accepting the responsibility of housing my family because I had the means to do so. Forgive me too for I too can be an asshole! this is not the story I wanted to tell!
A few of us wanted to hear your story, but a few of them ruined it for the rest of us.
At this point I would say no more and take my story away from here.
Dont share it, it will be everyone's great loss. Dont give them the satisfaction.
Gota go the lobsters are patiently awaiting our visits
Quote from: FL SAAC on July 26, 2023, 08:05:47 AM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on July 25, 2023, 05:05:38 PM
This just in - FLSAAC has decided to take mr5oa fishing and either get the story or lose him overboard.
Tony has a problem with the same guy mr5oa has - seems when Tony was a kid the same guy talked his dad out of the boat trailer tires and life hasn't been the same for him since.......
Nope
That is not true
Dont know "mr5oa" but I kind of side with him why would I share my story with people who really dont care and are only interested in dissecting everything they hear or see ?
You see these people "are beyond perfect" they have "no sins"
Well got to go preparing the special rods, reels and special lobster bait for the lobster hooks......this "one" for you......we gone !
Thanks FL SAAC you are a good man, good luck with your hunt, even though I am not a fan of the Pancrustacea creature you desire, be safe! V
Wow, what a sad story.
There are several dots not connected, however.
Was the owner of the car of sound mind when he sold it to Craig?
Was the car ever stored in Riverside?
There may be 100 valid reasons why the owner didn't want the car to stay in the family.
Quote from: Bill on July 25, 2023, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: mr5oa on July 25, 2023, 11:51:15 AM
So I posed your message to me for all to see what a nice guy you are!
I'm not taking sides here, but one rule you learn along the way is that private messages remain private, you simply do not post them out in the open without the original senders permission. This is a hard and fast rule for every public forum I belong to, since the 1990's when the internet was in it's infancy.
With that said, you really only get one chance to make a first impression, keep that in mind while you teeter on the edge of whatever story you wanted to tell, or still want to eventually tell. My advice, take a step back, a deep breath, and don't judge the group as a whole by what some members put into print.
Again, I'm not taking sides here, so, if you want to tell "your story", tell it, if not, then you need to ask yourself "why am I still here"?
Wish you well.
Bill
Quote from: 69 GT350 Vert on July 26, 2023, 09:14:33 AM
Wow, what a sad story.
There are several dots not connected, however.
Was the owner of the car of sound mind when he sold it to Craig?
Was the car ever stored in Riverside?
There may be 100 valid reasons why the owner didn't want the car to stay in the family.
That's the thing I was the owner, my dad gave the car to me and it was my possession at that time it was sold 20 years before, I had stored in my garage for 5 years with my first wife another 5 years in a garage in HB , another 5 years in Costa Mesa on Joann st, I trailered and stored in Paradise Ca.for maybe 8 years in my buddy's closed auto shop. I met my soon to be ex-wife thru his girlfriend her sister when I vacationed up there. I pulled it back from there because I thought he was thinking of taking possession for himself, he being what I call stupid rich/ his grandfather bought the first ups trucks to start that Co, The car was sold without my permission off my property when I was at work when I came home my dad brother and the car was gone! I never spoke to my dad tell just recently when by chance the son of the cousin of his new wife found me on FB. My brother came back two weeks after to get his stuff and if it were not for the door a baseball bat and my mother, I would be in prison because I would have killed him, I could have got the car back but my mother pleaded with me to just let it go. For her happiness for not having him around it was money well lost. About $2500 renting trailers and stuff moving it around not to mention the lost rent from dad and brother! The car never stayed in Riverside for any length of time, not sure where that story came from. I never was a big fan of Bobby Rahal not like he was bad we just called him mr 2ed Place because he was so conservative and seem to settle for 2ed. BTW Bobby I never recall the pipes dumping in front of the back wheels! thanks for your concern 69 GT350 Vert. V