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Fellas everyone is missing the point.

Everyone is talking about 1968 or 1969 or 1970.

Ford was talking about the FE motors and they put out that TSB in 1969 essentially stating :

" Oil pan levels have been revised on subject engines from four quarts to six quarts "

That's a better statement than :

" We may or may not have a oiling problem in the FE motors "

If you drive it like Granny, you are OK.

If you drive it like we all do, you are not OK.

Ford has a better idea ... just add oil !

The entire FE series of engines was with us starting in 1958. I personally found it interesting that it had been run in all forms including racing with essentially the same oil pan configuration and suddenly in 1969 there was a problem requiring more oil in the pan?

A very strange situation.


I think it is safe to say that used as intended, i.e., an everyday street car, there is no issue really with 5-1/2 quarts. However, the very type of use at high speed events like SAAC holds at the conventions is exactly the situation that causes the oil pan to go dry of oil.

The safer decision is that it won't hurt to run more oil. It will if you don't run enough.

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Precisely what we have been saying

Follow the Ford TSB

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all.

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Draining the oil cooler and lines is not part of the typical oil change process. Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all. Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed. If on a A/C car with oil cooler and the factory short oil filter(for this application) it will probably only need a little extra vs. the longer filter which will require a little more.   

Thank you Bob.
I'm a 1970 428 CJ, Dearborn built in 12/1969, no oil cooler but with AC, PS, PDB, C6.   I've don't drive it hard, and hardly at all come to think about it.  It has the windage tray on it.  Years ago I filled it with 6 quarts and etched a line on the dipstick and go by that line.  It doesn't burn oil or leak (much) so on the oil change I dump in the 6 quarts, warm it up and check the level.  I guess it's been working for me for 20 years now as I've not had the engine open in 30 years.   

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all.

Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?

Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.

Question from the peanut gallery.  I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them.  Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler?  If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler.  But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil.  Unless you have somehow drained the cooler.  Or an I missing something?

Draining the oil cooler and lines is not part of the typical oil change process. Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all. Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed. If on a A/C car with oil cooler and the factory short oil filter(for this application) it will probably only need a little extra vs. the longer filter which will require a little more.   

Thank you Bob.
I'm a 1970 428 CJ, Dearborn built in 12/1969, no oil cooler but with AC, PS, PDB, C6.   I've don't drive it hard, and hardly at all come to think about it.  It has the windage tray on it.  Years ago I filled it with 6 quarts and etched a line on the dipstick and go by that line.  It doesn't burn oil or leak (much) so on the oil change I dump in the 6 quarts, warm it up and check the level.  I guess it's been working for me for 20 years now as I've not had the engine open in 30 years.   

Precisely what we have been saying

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It's like a laugh or a cough but...eh, eh, eh

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If one knows....they know....

Melt down

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Todays inspirational qoute:

Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou

Today sorry for the late notice

We have run petronix for years with no issues.

I have a new kit in the box that I carry as a spare in the trunk. ( by the way we also have a "spare tire" in the trunk, you know just in case...)

What's $110 of parts in a car worth $150/250,000 .... pocket change

As far as the coil, tall one short one, yellow top no yellow on the top, 7mm wires 8 mm wires, at this point it really does not matter to me.

Not running with the big boys at the "concours" events.

We run with the kids at McDonalds as they love to point, look and touch as we drive in.

Or at any another local podunk event that they can sit and look up close what a true Shelby or "old car" is.

Meant to be driven...enjoy the ride

Here you have a 68 and 69 oil cooler. Both are different, but both add more volume or capacity to the equation.

I have always used this TSB when changing oils on my 1969s

* Capacity 7 quarts with oil and filter change per Ford TSB article #2322 published May 1970; add 1 more quart (8 quarts total) if equipped with an external oil cooler.




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The discussion is about a 1968 oil cooler not a 1969 /70.  You are apparently not familiar with the different oil coolers. The 67/68 and the 69/70 oil coolers are completely different shape and consequently have a different capacity. 

buenos dias Bob

If 68 through 69 (70) used the FE 428 and some got oil coolers / some did not.

Although the 68 was different cooler than later years, you still would need more oil to fill the additional capacity created by the added oil lines and coolers.

More oil yes or no ?

Wow, a lot for me to unpack and understand. School is in session. Thank you for the info. The coil was moved from the driver's side to the passenger side by my friend. I didn't know this was possible but he said it belonged on the passenger side of the engine block. I tool a couple photos. I will check out the ignition wires as advised.

Good move on coil and keep it as far as possible from the heater hoses.


On the coil take the petronix sticker off.

 Then get model car paint, mix yellow with black until you get the color close to the original coils color. Paint the top.

Magic !

* Capacity 7 quarts with oil and filter change per Ford TSB article #2322 published May 1970; add 1 more quart (8 quarts total) if equipped with an external oil cooler.




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