Would anyone happen to know what the difference is between a typical "Vehicle Invoice" compared to the rarely seen "Continuation Invoice"?
Looking at the photo, I notice that these continuation invoices seem to be issued to Shelby dealers (non-authorized?) who only received one or two cars.
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-260418120133.jpeg)
Rich,
What did Dave have to say about this?
Rich,
# 45 has two shipping invoices.
One was cancelled, think to maine, then a new one that shipped it to Oklahoma for showing.
Have copies of both.
John
Quote from: Harris Speedster on April 26, 2018, 02:14:44 PM
Rich,
# 45 has two shipping invoices.
One was cancelled, think to maine, then a new one that shipped it to Oklahoma for showing.
Have copies of both.
John
Hi John,
I only see Dub Richardson Ford noted in the registry. Your post seems to indicate your going on memory. If you can take a look at them let us know if either is a "continuation invoice", my guess is they will be worded as the typical "Vehicle Invoice". If not you would help to knock out my theory on the dealer.
Thanks,
Rich
Quote from: BGlover67 on April 26, 2018, 01:19:43 PM
Rich,
What did Dave have to say about this?
Brian,
Generally, I try not to bother Dave very often. He gets enough inquiries from others. I wanted to see what the forum response would be and also bring it to everyone's attention. Dave can chime in if he sees this, or if we don't get any replies from the collective forum I can always ask him in a future conversation.
Rich
Rich,
I agree about being selective on what you address to Dave. He is a great guy and always very helpful, but also very busy. Many times we can work these things out ourselves. Plus the challenge to do so is so much fun.
Dennis
A couple of points were brought to my attention to share;
First, check out the invoice number. Continuation invoices uniquely start with the letter "F".
Second, the font used is noted to be proportional, not mono-spaced. Mono spaced was typical. We were not even aware the proportional spaced type was used in the 60's.
You mean these continuation invoices don't belong to the new "original" GT350Rs? ;D
Here's a direct side by side comparison of the two types of invoices.
Besides the invoice numbers starting with a "F" letter on the "Continuation" invoice it also used the "F" to start the customer order number.
The "Continuation" invoices have a "Special Handling Charge" at a flat rate of $100.
The "Vehicle" invoices usually have both a "4.0 Gal. Gas" charges and a "Freight/Transportation Charges". Freight charges vary.
Freight charges to Holliday Ford, CA and Hayward Ford, CA are $146.75.
Compare that to Koons Ford, VA at $98.75 or Gotham Ford, NY at $107.75 and something seems off.
Maybe the variable in costs are due to the distances from the rail yard?
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270418105555.jpeg)
Quote from: Richstang on April 26, 2018, 02:45:28 PM
Quote from: Harris Speedster on April 26, 2018, 02:14:44 PM
Rich,
# 45 has two shipping invoices.
One was cancelled, think to maine, then a new one that shipped it to Oklahoma for showing.
Have copies of both.
John
Hi John,
I only see Dub Richardson Ford noted in the registry. Your post seems to indicate your going on memory. If you can take a look at them let us know if either is a "continuation invoice", my guess is they will be worded as the typical "Vehicle Invoice". If not you would help to knock out my theory on the dealer.
Thanks,
Rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Rich,
It was first "vehicle Invoiced" to ; Pletcher Ford Inc, Phil PA. oct 31, 66
2nd vehicle invoice was to Dub Richardson. Showing car on invoice, >>> 73.75 shipping
Crazy, but 45 costs more on the invoice than yours, same basic equip.
I do have copies of both.
Seems that #20, 16, 45, and 47 left on the same load, Nov 2nd, 66, Hadley transport.
With respect,
John
I would like to jump in and ask the stupid question. Are these invoice copies available from some source today or is this documentation you got from the previous owner? I am sure this has been asked/answered before but I could find the information. I have previously gotten documents from Dave for one of my cars but do not remember the invoice being available. Thanks for your time.
Tom Gilliam
Quote from: tgilliam on April 28, 2018, 07:37:41 AM
I would like to jump in and ask the stupid question. Are these invoice copies available from some source today or is this documentation you got from the previous owner? I am sure this has been asked/answered before but I could find the information. I have previously gotten documents from Dave for one of my cars but do not remember the invoice being available. Thanks for your time.
Tom Gilliam
Dave does have copies of some original invoices and other paper work, but if I understand correctly not everything on every car, a bit hit & miss. You have to check with him on your specific car.
JD
Quote from: Richstang on April 27, 2018, 11:16:28 AM
Here's a direct side by side comparison of the two types of invoices.
Besides the invoice numbers starting with a "F" letter on the "Continuation" invoice it also used the "F" to start the customer order number.
The "Continuation" invoices have a "Special Handling Charge" at a flat rate of $100.
The "Vehicle" invoices usually have both a "4.0 Gal. Gas" charges and a "Freight/Transportation Charges". Freight charges vary.
Freight charges to Holliday Ford, CA and Hayward Ford, CA are $146.75.
Compare that to Koons Ford, VA at $98.75 or Gotham Ford, NY at $107.75 and something seems off.
Maybe the variable in costs are due to the distances from the rail yard?
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270418105555.jpeg)
Rich,
I would be glad to look into this if you provide a list of Continuation Invoices you have.
I don't have either of these invoices. The first thing I see is these invoices have obvious mistakes. Both these cars are "White".
Note that Car #23 is listed as "Red" and car #22 is listed as "Dark Moss Green".
I also don't have either of these cars going to these destinations.
Where did you get these forms? They appear to be very inaccurate. Perhaps mistakes?
Dave Mathews
Quote from: Harris Speedster on April 27, 2018, 02:42:58 PM
Quote from: Richstang on April 26, 2018, 02:45:28 PM
Quote from: Harris Speedster on April 26, 2018, 02:14:44 PM# 45 has two shipping invoices.
One was cancelled, think to maine, then a new one that shipped it to Oklahoma for showing.
Rich,
Have copies of both.
John
Hi John,
I only see Dub Richardson Ford noted in the registry. Your post seems to indicate your going on memory. If you can take a look at them let us know if either is a "continuation invoice", my guess is they will be worded as the typical "Vehicle Invoice". If not you would help to knock out my theory on the dealer.
Thanks,
Rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Rich,
It was first "vehicle Invoiced" to ; Pletcher Ford Inc, Phil PA. oct 31, 66
2nd vehicle invoice was to Dub Richardson. Showing car on invoice, >>> 73.75 shipping
Crazy, but 45 costs more on the invoice than yours, same basic equip.
I do have copies of both.
Seems that #20, 16, 45, and 47 left on the same load, Nov 2nd, 66, Hadley transport.
With respect,
John
John,
Thank you for letting us know #0045 was listed on the typical "Vehicle Invoice" both times.
(Still supporting my theory about dealer volumes...so far)
I took a look at pricing over several invoices and window stickers and they remain nearly the same until late summer 67 with a few adjustments.
The Transportation/Freight Charges change for nearly every car. Here's the breakdown I could gather. The prices in parenthesis are the oddball differences.
ITEM INVOICE RETAIL USA RETAIL EXPORT/CANADA
67 GT350 3276.67 3995.00 3172.98
67 GT500 3440.70 4195.00 (4395.00)
Power Disc Brakes 53.13 64.77 49.65
Power Steering 69.28 84.47 (57.47) 64.75
Shoulder Harness 41.62 50.76 (50.08) 38.90
Fold Down Rear Seat 53.15 64.77 49.65
Selectomatic Trans 50.00 (41.00) 50.00
Radio AM Push Button 47.17 57.51 44.08
Exhaust Emission Control Sys 37.28 45.45 (45.50)
Closed Crankcase Emissions 4.26 5.19
Air Conditioner – Selectaire 292.06 356.09
Tinted Windshield 24.81 30.25
Deluxe wheels (Shelby) 151.74 185.00 141.81
Cobra Supercharger 479.00 549.00
Rallye Stripe (#0426) 26.35
4.0 Gal gas 1.20
Quote from: GT350DAVE on April 28, 2018, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: Richstang on April 27, 2018, 11:16:28 AM
Here's a direct side by side comparison of the two types of invoices.
Besides the invoice numbers starting with a "F" letter on the "Continuation" invoice it also used the "F" to start the customer order number.
The "Continuation" invoices have a "Special Handling Charge" at a flat rate of $100.
The "Vehicle" invoices usually have both a "4.0 Gal. Gas" charges and a "Freight/Transportation Charges". Freight charges vary.
Freight charges to Holliday Ford, CA and Hayward Ford, CA are $146.75.
Compare that to Koons Ford, VA at $98.75 or Gotham Ford, NY at $107.75 and something seems off.
Maybe the variable in costs are due to the distances from the rail yard?
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270418105555.jpeg)
Rich,
I would be glad to look into this if you provide a list of Continuation Invoices you have.
I don't have either of these invoices. The first thing I see is these invoices have obvious mistakes. Both these cars are "White".
Note that Car #23 is listed as "Red" and car #22 is listed as "Dark Moss Green".
I also don't have either of these cars going to these destinations.
Where did you get these forms? They appear to be very inaccurate. Perhaps mistakes?
Dave Mathews
Hi Dave,
So Far, I have found four of these Continuation Invoices. #023 is a #023XX car number and #022 is a #02200 car number.
I didn't think I should share the exact number on the open public forum for these invoices so I blocked out the last two digits of the VINs.
Email sent.
Do not remember where I read this, but was possibly from some early research on #45.
Read that Dub Richardson in Okla ended up being the largest volume dealer in the country ?
Maybe dealer size and "more", played into the movement of Shelby allocations to dealers ?
BTW; I was lucky in the fact that I did get the original 1966 Okla title with #45.
Showing car on invoices, wonder what that all encompasses, Shelby or dlr add on's for showing, Hertz cars in 67, what ?
Quote from: Harris Speedster on April 29, 2018, 10:45:47 AM
Do not remember where I read this, but was possibly from some early research on #45.
Read that Dub Richardson in Okla ended up being the largest volume dealer in the country ?
Maybe dealer size and "more", played into the movement of Shelby allocations to dealers ?
BTW; I was lucky in the fact that I did get the original 1966 Okla title with #45.
Showing car on invoices, wonder what that all encompasses, Shelby or dlr add on's for showing, Hertz cars in 67, what ?
That's interesting, but in the world of '67 Shelby sales they were not even close to a high volume dealer at about 18 units.
Gotham Ford in NY had about 107 units, followed by Dockery Ford in NJ with about 93 units, and then JD Ball with about 76 units sold.
Neat to hear you have the original title for #0045.
I have not seen any invoices related to a Hertz rental.
Quote from: Richstang on April 28, 2018, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: GT350DAVE on April 28, 2018, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: Richstang on April 27, 2018, 11:16:28 AM
Here's a direct side by side comparison of the two types of invoices.
Besides the invoice numbers starting with a "F" letter on the "Continuation" invoice it also used the "F" to start the customer order number.
The "Continuation" invoices have a "Special Handling Charge" at a flat rate of $100.
The "Vehicle" invoices usually have both a "4.0 Gal. Gas" charges and a "Freight/Transportation Charges". Freight charges vary.
Freight charges to Holliday Ford, CA and Hayward Ford, CA are $146.75.
Compare that to Koons Ford, VA at $98.75 or Gotham Ford, NY at $107.75 and something seems off.
Maybe the variable in costs are due to the distances from the rail yard?
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270418105555.jpeg)
Rich,
I would be glad to look into this if you provide a list of Continuation Invoices you have.
I don't have either of these invoices. The first thing I see is these invoices have obvious mistakes. Both these cars are "White".
Note that Car #23 is listed as "Red" and car #22 is listed as "Dark Moss Green".
I also don't have either of these cars going to these destinations.
Where did you get these forms? They appear to be very inaccurate. Perhaps mistakes?
Dave Mathews
Hi Dave,
So Far, I have found four of these Continuation Invoices. #023 is a #023XX car number and #022 is a #02200 car number.
I didn't think I should share the exact number on the open public forum for these invoices so I blocked out the last two digits of the VINs.
Email sent.
Dave has confirmed these "Continuation Invoices" are directly related to the Non-Franchised Shelby Dealers.
Rich,
Did not say just shelbys, perhaps should have made myself more clear.
Seems wiki or an article in newspapers is where I read it about becoming the largest volume dealer?
If I run into the source again, will post it.
With respect,
John
Quote from: Harris Speedster on April 29, 2018, 02:20:27 PM
Rich,
Did not say just shelbys, perhaps should have made myself more clear.
Seems wiki or an article in newspapers is where I read it about becoming the largest volume dealer?
If I run into the source again, will post it.
With respect,
John
John, I did understand your meaning of the high volume of Ford's at the Dub Richardson dealer (maybe a lot of truck sales in OK).
I just thought I could expand on that with the smaller number of '67 Shelby's sold there compared to other dealers.