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Title: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: kasearch@ix.netcom.com on May 16, 2020, 12:32:57 PM
For the dark charcoal metallic paint that is used on the interior pieces of a 69 Shelby, what brand (and color name on the can) do you recommend to use?
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: Special Ed on May 16, 2020, 01:30:26 PM
npd sells the paint
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: The Going Thing on May 16, 2020, 04:16:04 PM
Free advice. I purchased the Charcoal black for my 1967 GT500. I did shake it as specified and utilized it on primed dash moldings. It was a gloss finish. I would ask NPD if they had resolved the issue with the high gloss instead of a semi/satin finish as it should be before purchasing.
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: CharlesTurner on May 16, 2020, 06:41:25 PM
If using spray cans, the only way I can get them to work is after a few coats to cover (some don't cover worth a flip), the final coat is a dusting so it dries low gloss.

Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on May 16, 2020, 07:29:24 PM
Not sure it's what you're after but SEM makes a "Tuxedo Black" in spray and liquid cans that is low gloss that approximates the correct interior black used in the early Mustangs.  When used per directions, it's very durable when allowed to properly dry and cure.  I've even used it in engine compartments with excellent results.
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: Bob Gaines on May 16, 2020, 07:53:51 PM
Quote from: NC TRACKRAT on May 16, 2020, 07:29:24 PM
Not sure it's what you're after but SEM makes a "Tuxedo Black" in spray and liquid cans that is low gloss that approximates the correct interior black used in the early Mustangs.  When used per directions, it's very durable when allowed to properly dry and cure.  I've even used it in engine compartments with excellent results.
To clarify for those reading who may that think all pre 70 Mustangs are "early Mustangs" , Black is 65/66 only.  Dark charcoal metallic is 67-70 Shelby/Mustang.
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: Rbwiii on May 16, 2020, 07:58:48 PM
This is correct for 67 to 70 that I have used on my cars with excellent results. You will need to spray it from a gun, but I think results would be better than what's out there in a spray can.

PPG DDL32586
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: JD on May 16, 2020, 08:01:21 PM
Here is what some have used in the past, have to add flattener to get the correct sheen and also as stated it doesn't cover so a base of flat black or hot rod gray (dark gray) but not so much as to fill the stamped texture in the metal ot plastic molded parts.

Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: Bob Gaines on May 16, 2020, 08:03:52 PM
To add to what thers have said ,the Dark Charcoal Metallic does not cover well . Regardless of what product you use it is best to lay down a base coat of black before the top coat of Dark Charcoal Metallic.  A too heavy coat will fill in the texture on the grain in the door metal.That is why you put on a base coat in black .FYI the rattle cans are OK for small parts but I have had inconsistant results on larger surfaces. I use one of the professional brands PPG etc. The base coat is ok to be rattle can but the top coat is best done with a spray gun for best results. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: Rbwiii on May 16, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
As Bob and JD stated its very easy to fill the natural grain in the metal. For the best results I have experienced, the original paint needs to be removed using paint stripper or a soda blast. A DTM black primer needs to be applied, then painted. One coat of primer, 2-3 coats of the PPG paint shown above.
The grain really shows and looks good using this procedure.
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: J_Speegle on May 16, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
You can also purchase it in qt and gallon through TCP Global/Auto Color Library

As mention a couple of light full coats of a base followed by a light full coat of the Charcoal will usually provide nice coverage with the metallic and slightly gray look to the final product. Too think and you can fill the grain and produce a glossier than intended final look :( I apply the top coat a little dry to keep the final look on the flatter side
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: shelbydoug on May 17, 2020, 10:07:36 AM
I used the PPG. JD is right. It needs more flattener. This is my 68. You can see the slight sheen.

When I do the interior of my '67, it needs to be flatter.

I think he said he added 20% more flattener?
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on May 17, 2020, 12:26:54 PM
We used to use Krylon BBQ black for interiors. Just the right sheen vs flat. This was the early years before 1/2 thick Mustang restoration parts books. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Krylon-High-Heat-Spray-Paint/17211046?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1668&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=9031245&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=112561712&wl11=online&wl12=17211046&veh=sem&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp_-Uhqi76QIVQhh9Ch2iqQVyEAQYASABEgITBfD_BwE

You might try this in black stainless for the metallic - https://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/universal/universal-metallic-spray-paint
Title: Re: dark charcoal metallic paint
Post by: The Going Thing on May 17, 2020, 06:07:35 PM
The sheen should not be semi-gloss but more of a semi-flat or eggshell.  One of the other issues with second generation fastback gloss is that it reflects light and makes it difficult to see out of the rear window. The Light parchment in my Shelby makes it hard to see and it's the correct sheen.
BBQ black is the wrong color as the black isn't black, it's gray and has some metallic flakes in it. My The windshield trim is all that required the charcoal metallic so buying a quart of paint made no sense.  The color looks good so I simply shot Vintage clear and adjusted the activator to control the amount of sheen it had. It worked well with the rest of the interior and is very durable.