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The Cars => 1967 Shelby GT350/500 => Topic started by: waltweems on February 07, 2019, 10:10:04 AM

Title: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: waltweems on February 07, 2019, 10:10:04 AM
Hi all,
I have replaced my power steering hoses with concourse ones on my 67 GT500 without air and the metal spiral sleeve from the pressure hose rubs the
power steering parts that travel back and forth.  Can anyone send me a picture of how the hose is routed.

Thanks.

Walt Weems

Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on February 07, 2019, 11:06:16 AM
Do you have the hoses clamped down to the control valve?
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: JD on February 07, 2019, 11:09:54 AM
If you could post a photo, or two, of what you have that would be good.
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on February 13, 2019, 08:36:53 PM
I hope this will help. If you need a different angle or area let me know.  -Keith
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: Special Ed on February 13, 2019, 09:18:27 PM
All 4 hoses ? but clamp looks good.
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on February 13, 2019, 10:12:18 PM
Power Steering pump to valve pressure and return line to PS cooler, Cylinder to control valve. I am not exactly sure what area he needs.

                                                                                                      -Keith
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: JD on February 13, 2019, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on February 13, 2019, 10:12:18 PM
Power Steering pump to valve pressure and return line to PS cooler, Cylinder to control valve. I am not exactly sure what area he needs.
                                                                                                      -Keith

Agreed, part of why I suggestion he post a photo of what he has that he thinks is wrong.
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: waltweems on February 14, 2019, 06:34:31 AM
Sorry for the delay with the pictures but here are a few.  I have an original cooler and concourse pressure line.  I did not want to connect the line from the cooler until I was sure I had the routing worked out.

Walt
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: waltweems on February 14, 2019, 06:36:45 AM
Here are 2 more pictures

Walt
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: waltweems on February 14, 2019, 06:39:45 AM
Sorry! Having trouble adding more than 1 picture at a time.

Walt
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: JD on February 14, 2019, 09:43:56 AM
Walt that helps a lot.

I'll look for some images to post as others will too.

For starters the bracket holding the two hose junctions is oriented wrong.  Currently you have it vertically and it needs to be horizontal.  Also now understand what portion is interfering with the ram.

Here's one...(Auto so there is an extra hose in the shot)
another...with some "added insulation"
another
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 14, 2019, 09:49:24 AM
Return line is not clocked correct on control valve . Rubber block bracket not attached properly by the lower control arm . Return hose not seated properly in rubber block. You should also invest in some correct looking short lines from the control valve to the ram.I will try and post a picture later if someone doesn't post one in the mean time.
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on February 14, 2019, 10:38:18 AM
My ram to power valve hoses are NOS Ford.  The clamp that holds the metal portion of the pressure and return line to the power valve is an expensive original. They are about 100.00 these days. The same thing can be accomplished with a worm drive band clamp if you don't want to drop the C-note. There is an orginal on Ebay currently for 145.00. Your hose block and insulator is incorrectly installed. I will try and put my car up on jackstands and get more pictures for you if someone doesn't beat me to it.
                                                                      -Keith
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 14, 2019, 10:51:22 AM
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on February 14, 2019, 10:38:18 AM
My hoses are Ram to power valve hoses are NOS Ford.  The clamp that holds the metal portion of the pressure and return line to the power valve is an expensive original. They are about 100.00 these days. The same thing can be accomplished with a worm drive band clamp if you don't want to drop the C-note. There is an orginal on Ebay currently for 145.00. Your hose block and insulator is incorrectly installed. I will try and put my car up on jackstands and get more pictures for you if someone doesn't beat me to it.
                                                                      -Keith
Kieth,your ram hoses are much later Ford service replacements that don't look like assemblyline . Functional yes, assemblyline looking no.  The ones that blue dot reproduces are much closer looking. FYI I have some of the earlier 67 control valve crimp clamps that I get 45.00 for.
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on February 14, 2019, 10:56:20 AM
Bob, I think the stock tags on them were from about 1989, so yes. They are late service parts.
                                                                                               -Keith
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 14, 2019, 11:28:16 AM
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on February 14, 2019, 10:56:20 AM
Bob, I think the stock tags on them were from about 1989, so yes. They are late service parts.
                                                                                               -Keith
You can tell by the crimp of the clamp to the rubber.
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: tonys_shelby on February 14, 2019, 12:02:36 PM
JD why do jpg 68 and jpg 38 look do different I also will need to figure out the correct hoses, clamps, and routing.  thanks
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on February 14, 2019, 12:10:36 PM
Tony, I will take pictures of my Shelby at the lower control arm where the hose bracket goes. You'll understand immediately what was done wrong.  I have to go over to the Flight Academy at American and do my simulator time.
                                                                                                    -Keith
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: JD on February 14, 2019, 12:43:40 PM
Quote from: tonys_shelby on February 14, 2019, 12:02:36 PM
JD why do jpg 68 and jpg 38 look do different I also will need to figure out the correct hoses, clamps, and routing.  thanks
Tony those three images were primarily to show how the bracket orients.  The middle image, as noted, has some added insulating material added (not correct).
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: Bossbill on February 14, 2019, 01:54:15 PM
My original spirals are zinc dichromate.

Is the gold tone lacking in these pics due to flash or what?
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: shelbydoug on February 14, 2019, 04:48:40 PM
Quote from: Bossbill on February 14, 2019, 01:54:15 PM
My original spirals are zinc dichromate.

Is the gold tone lacking in these pics due to flash or what?

The yellow tone is literally just a die. With time it "washes off".
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 14, 2019, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Bossbill on February 14, 2019, 01:54:15 PM
My original spirals are zinc dichromate.

Is the gold tone lacking in these pics due to flash or what?
Yes they are suppose to be zinc dichromate. The zinc dichromate only will bond to zinc or zinc plating. Underneath the gold is silver. when it is worn off or chemically removed it leaves the zinc silver base.
Title: Re: 67 GT500 PS hose routing
Post by: waltweems on February 20, 2019, 03:43:53 PM
Thanks for all of the help with the power steering hoses.  I finally did get the clamp oriented properly and things are looking better now.  I also have concourse
short hoses but haven't installed them yet.

Walt Weems