Hello together,
i came up with some Pic from Ebay from a Negative Roll ...
i had contact with the seller, the roll was development in 10/1966, also the Pics are time period correct
and the cars must be factory new...
First Strange Thing is, that the GT350 have a KAMM Styled Spoiler rear deck,
i only know 2 other Mustangs with a time period Spoiler like this,
one was 5s319 mocked up for the Open House Event on LAX and later given to Charlie McHose
the second one is the Mustang of Alex Tremulis Wife
on the Edge of the Pic you see also a red 66 GT350
and of course, there is a 427 Cobra, is it a Competition Model ?
the driver really hit the pedal to the metal
I would love to find out which SFM and CSX Numbers the Cars are
Any ideas, any thoughts are welcome
Greets from Germany
Stephan
The GT350 License Plate says P?? 816 as fare as i can read it, note the extra long radio antenna
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Same Pic from the other side --- note the red GT350 with the Kid
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two pic from the Cobra, what a beast - Competition or S/C ?
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enjoy all the pictures you post
Thanks
I have never seen a tow mirror mount to the vent window frame like that before as in the first photo
Many cars were modified on day 2. Fiberglass parts were readily available even in the early years
Great period pics, thanks for posting! :)
Fred
Notice the red GT350 on the right side of the second photo the kid is leaning on. These are great photos.
Looks more like El Mirage dry lake to me, than Bonneville. That is dirt kicking up from the tires, not salt.
I love the Blue Streaks.
I believe that the 1966 GT350 might well be 6S420, which is recorded as CA License plate RWD 816. That would be my best guess. Robert Vickery Leased the car12/2/65 and return to Hi-Performance Motors one month later.
Great pictures Stephan, thank you for posting. Another question is who is the driver and who are the guys around the cars? The trailer mirror on the passenger door and the whip antennae are really interesting. And the Cobra is running full out. Really cool.
Where are the Photos?
Cool photos!
Those look like S/C fender flares on the 427 Cobra.
Can you make out the car's license plate on your photos/negatives? The watermarked pics you shared are too low-res to read.
Close-up of tow car... plate seems to be ?WD 81?, maybe a 6 at the end.
And the tail of the '66 and the Cobra plate...
The Cobra should be csx3018 at El Mirage just after it's winter break refresh (body and engine) due to an incident at the 1966 Road America races (not sure if incident happened at the June or September event). El Mirage as mentioned earlier by another poster due to dust instead of Salt Lake crust.
Are we sure thats a spoiler? Or the Cobras bumper?
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 14, 2024, 11:29:11 AM
Are we sure thats a spoiler? Or the Cobras bumper?
Spoiler....
This looks to be the same car. This photo was with the previous photos posted.
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Analyzing this photo....I wonder if this is Hi Performance Motors in 1966. Notice the van has "Hi Performance" on the door and the other GT350's behind the fence.
Ok looks like a spoiler 😉
Agreed ...
Quote from: silverton_ford on February 14, 2024, 11:38:25 AMAnalyzing this photo....I wonder if this is Hi Performance Motors in 1966. Notice the van has "Hi Performance" on the door and the other GT350's behind the fence.
If it's HiPerf Motors the it's earlier one on Sepulveda Blvd (street name changed to Pacific Coast Hwy now and office building on location) not the La Brea one. The Red GT350 is in the garage. There is also one of the Stroppe African Rally Comets. Regular license plates would also indicate they are used cars. I wonder if some are Hertz returns. It'd be simple to swap the side stripes to remove the renta car stigma. Could it be Shelby's Auto Center?
It's a SoCal dry lake. If it's El Mirage it's not on a regular SCTA weekend - not enough cars and a seeming lack of organization. Today if you are going to race on the lakes you need to get a BLM permit but back then you just drove out onto the lake and went for it.
Agree about El Mirage. You needed to keep your head on a swivel as there was always fast moving stuff out there. One time saw Brock out there with an Ultra Lite.
Quote from: kranky on February 14, 2024, 11:23:26 AM
The Cobra should be csx3018 at El Mirage just after it's winter break refresh (body and engine) due to an incident at the 1966 Road America races (not sure if incident happened at the June or September event). El Mirage as mentioned earlier by another poster due to dust instead of Salt Lake crust.
The mountains look awfully close to be Bonneville, see how far they are away in these pictures from 1972
Quote from: csxsfm on February 14, 2024, 02:06:43 PMOne time saw Brock out there with an Ultra Lite.
He was one of the biggest hang glider companies. Ultra lite were a natural progression.
Today the big draw to Adelanto if growing dope - https://www.420property.com/california/adelanto-real-estate/
Quote from: csxsfm on February 14, 2024, 02:06:43 PM
Agree about El Mirage. You needed to keep your head on a swivel as there was always fast moving stuff out there. One time saw Brock out there with an Ultra Lite.
Met him at a Hang Glider Meet in Nags Head NC. His company was called Ultralight Products (UP) . His stuff made the rest of our stuff look like junk
Used to transport my hang glider on the top of my 66 GT350
Hello all together,
it seems this thread is right at the point ;D
Very cool to see this action here ...Quote from: gt350cs on February 13, 2024, 10:41:01 PM
I believe that the 1966 GT350 might well be 6S420, which is recorded as CA License plate RWD 816. That would be my best guess. Robert Vickery Leased the car12/2/65 and return to Hi-Performance Motors one month later.
This is a full match for me, i can read the Digits on the GT350 Plate very good, the R is a little bit unclear, it could also be a P, but the rest is clear to read
Very cool, how did you know that so quick.
Everthing known from 6s420 today ?
Quote from: JWH on February 13, 2024, 10:54:37 PM
Great pictures Stephan, thank you for posting. Another question is who is the driver and who are the guys around the cars? The trailer mirror on the passenger door and the whip antennae are really interesting. And the Cobra is running full out. Really cool.
For the Man with the sunglasses and the CS Shirt i have no clue, maybe it is Robert Vickery,
but for the Man which the Helmet i have a match, this man is RAY WOLFF, the Generel Manager from
Hi-Perfromance Motors, 901 N. Sepulveda Blvd, El Segundo (short HPM2)
and this fits also very good in the hole story about the GT350 and the Pic standing on the fence
of HPM2
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In this Pic you can see his helmet very good, even the hole Body is similar.
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Quote from: silverton_ford on February 14, 2024, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 14, 2024, 11:29:11 AM
Are we sure thats a spoiler? Or the Cobras bumper?
Spoiler....
This looks to be the same car. This photo was with the previous photos posted.
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/44-140224113617.png)
Analyzing this photo....I wonder if this is Hi Performance Motors in 1966. Notice the van has "Hi Performance" on the door and the other GT350's behind the fence.
No this is spoilered ;D
i had this Pic also and would post is here, you were just faster then me...
But this Pic is very important and has so many details that it would worth a own thread
I have a conversation with George and Kieth about this and HPM2
When Robert Vickery and 6s420 is right, which i totally believe, this hole pic make a lot of sense.
Notice the chromed Magnum Stars instead of a standard set.
also you can see the Trailer hitch a little bit in the shadow of the car
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 14, 2024, 12:37:13 PM
Quote from: silverton_ford on February 14, 2024, 11:38:25 AMAnalyzing this photo....I wonder if this is Hi Performance Motors in 1966. Notice the van has "Hi Performance" on the door and the other GT350's behind the fence.
If it's HiPerf Motors the it's earlier one on Sepulveda Blvd (street name changed to Pacific Coast Hwy now and office building on location) not the La Brea one. The Red GT350 is in the garage. There is also one of the Stroppe African Rally Comets. Regular license plates would also indicate they are used cars. I wonder if some are Hertz returns. It'd be simple to swap the side stripes to remove the renta car stigma. Could it be Shelby's Auto Center?
It's a SoCal dry lake. If it's El Mirage it's not on a regular SCTA weekend - not enough cars and a seeming lack of organization. Today if you are going to race on the lakes you need to get a BLM permit but back then you just drove out onto the lake and went for it.
Thanks for the Point with the Stroppe African Rally Comets, didnt know this
i also think that one black car isnt a Hertz, because of missing the gold Rallye Stripe, another one
is a Hertz standing behind the fence
Quote from: csxsfm on February 14, 2024, 02:06:43 PM
Agree about El Mirage. You needed to keep your head on a swivel as there was always fast moving stuff out there. One time saw Brock out there with an Ultra Lite.
Thanks all for the Thoughts about the EL MIRAGE Dry Lake and not about Bonneville
because we know the HPM2 Pic in El Segundo and see the trailerd Cobra i must also say it make no sense that
is Bonneville
EL MIRAGE is about 100 Miles away from LA, El Segundo
Bonneville is about 700 Miles away from LA, El Segundo
For the Rest of the "El Mirage" thing i have no clue, this is a hole new context for me, but i would like to read
and learn more about that ...
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Quote from: kranky on February 14, 2024, 11:23:26 AM
The Cobra should be csx3018 at El Mirage just after it's winter break refresh (body and engine) due to an incident at the 1966 Road America races (not sure if incident happened at the June or September event). El Mirage as mentioned earlier by another poster due to dust instead of Salt Lake crust.
Thanks for the thought of CSX3018 ... i checked this in the registry but there is no connection to the Hi-Performance Motors Shop,
also no origin colour is named, License Plate is hard to read
i have to check this also.
THANKS TO ALL for the Action,
this is what the forum should have to be...
Greets from Germany
Stephan
Szabo,
Thanks for posting these photos, neat to see pictures that have never before been published (to the best of anyone's knowledge). I'd sure like to be the guy to find that Comet..... ;D.....good stuff!
Dave
Quote from: Szabo on February 14, 2024, 04:59:37 PMi also think that one black car isnt a Hertz, because of missing the gold Rallye Stripe, another one is a Hertz standing behind the fence
For the Rest of the "El Mirage" thing i have no clue, this is a hole new context for me, but i would like to read and learn more about that ...
Excuse my HPM1/2 mixup. 1150 LaBrea was first. Photos are at 901 S Sepulveda (Now named 909 Pacific Coast Highway)
All the Hertz cars didn't get the LeMans stripes. There is a letter from Hertz to SA at some point stating that all the future cars must have the LeMans stripes.
SoCal dry lake racing has been going on since the 1920s. They ran Muroc before WWII but that became Edwards AFB where they landed the space shuttle. They let SCTA have a reunion (75th?) on the lake in 1996 - https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=10258.0 Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=517Q0F-v1JU A couple GT350s in the first couple minutes - I haven't watched the whole thing.
After the war SCTA moved their organized meets to El Mirage. They even have their own garage compound west of the lake now. When CS talks about a bunch of west coast hot rodders building his cars he wasn't kidding. Here's Phil Remington in 1947. Ray Brown was also a fast runner and noted engine builder. He went into the seat belt business and sold that in 1966. After that he landed at Superior Industries who became one of the largest aluminum wheel manufacturers - want to guess who Shelby called for advice to get his wheel business off the ground?
Szabo, I have recorded as many "original issue" license plate numbers that I have been able to find. Howard got me started we he share infromation from The Hertz cars that I was researching. From that it has expanded to all years that I can find. By the way the 1966 Black and Gold Hertz pictured in Mustang Monthly was assigned the CA Plate SVR 416. My car received SVR 419 - (corrected Plate Number). Both are recorded in the Registry. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
Corretion - "Mustang Monthly" should be "Mustang Does It" book by Ray Miller!
If it's dirt, it's El Mirage or Muroc, or any other SoCal dry lake.
If it's salt, it's Bonneville.
That Ray Wolff red notchback #9?
Has anyone covered that car? Maybe I've missed it ??
Not trimmed as a Group ll, but talk about SAI DNA, wow.
Is this a photo of the same Ray Brown that made the seatbelts for the 65-66 GT-350's?
Quote from: 6S1568 on February 15, 2024, 12:44:21 PM
Is this a photo of the same Ray Brown that made the seatbelts for the 65-66 GT-350's?
Yes - He started making them for his hot rod buddies and by 1962 was selling them to .gov. He got bought out (American Safety?) in 66 but stayed on as a consultant for about 1 1/2 years then went into the aluminum wheel business.
Quote from: camp upshur on February 15, 2024, 12:01:30 AM
That Ray Wolff red notchback #9?
Has anyone covered that car? Maybe I've missed it ??
Not trimmed as a Group ll, but talk about SAI DNA, wow.
When was the switch from B Sedan to A Sedan class for the Mustang?
I'd wager just about every SA employee bought a Mustang and deeply discounted SA parts to modify their car bypassing the premium prices CS was getting. I have been looking for a fastback I last saw in the early 1970s. It was a K code complete with all the SA race parts right down to Webers. It was built as a Bonneville car but had fiberglass doors and an aero fiberglass nose. The owner said he had a buddy that worked at SA and he bought the shell and engine parts from them. He said it was a car they had robbed all the spare parts off for the race cars. Not being into Shelby's at the time I paid little attention once he said not for sale. His house got bought and a big church built on the spot - someday it will surface.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 15, 2024, 04:36:42 PM
I have been looking for a fastback I last saw in the early 1970s. It was a K code complete with all the SA race parts right down to Webers. It was built as a Bonneville car but had fiberglass doors and an aero fiberglass nose. The owner said he had a buddy that worked at SA and he bought the shell and engine parts from them. He said it was a car they had robbed all the spare parts off for the race cars. Not being into Shelby's at the time I paid little attention once he said not for sale. His house got bought and a big church built on the spot - someday it will surface.
That looks like the Fiberfab conversion kit for '65 - '66 Mustangs. Not many of them around...
Quote from: S7MS427 on February 15, 2024, 05:41:54 PM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 15, 2024, 04:36:42 PM
I have been looking for a fastback I last saw in the early 1970s. It was a K code complete with all the SA race parts right down to Webers. It was built as a Bonneville car but had fiberglass doors and an aero fiberglass nose. The owner said he had a buddy that worked at SA and he bought the shell and engine parts from them. He said it was a car they had robbed all the spare parts off for the race cars. Not being into Shelby's at the time I paid little attention once he said not for sale. His house got bought and a big church built on the spot - someday it will surface.
That looks like the Fiberfab conversion kit for '65 - '66 Mustangs. Not many of them around...
Yes it was. I checked with Howard he says the guys story was BS on the body shell.
Stephan: Excellent detective work and effort! Much appreciation for your ability to find previously-unseen photos, and for your skill of creating sight-lines on the photographs, to give us all a better perspective of where the various areas of the S-A facility were located.
Brett, thanks for the thought that some S-A employees (1965-67 era) would've built a Shelby on their own. I'd never actually thought about that, but it makes perfect sense. Why pay full price? Order a K-Code (via the X or A Plan) then get the S-A parts at a discount, and do the conversion work yourself on the weekend, probably utilizing some S-A employees and shop space/tools.
I guess that some small parts may have gone home in lunch boxes. But, I'll bet not much of that happened, because of the small size of the operation and not much extra inventory of parts. There probably wasn't a lot of "it fell off the truck and got damaged" stories, either. Not unless you wanted Carroll's boot up your azz.
Thoughts?
Quote from: S7MS427 on February 15, 2024, 05:41:54 PM
That looks like the Fiberfab conversion kit for '65 - '66 Mustangs. Not many of them around...
Yes that is from one of their ads. One of two versions. 66 If that is the year being focused on) would be very early to be able to get your hands on one of those. Know of one fo the first ones to come off the molds and it was the conventional style not the tilt style
Quote from: J_Speegle on February 15, 2024, 06:54:09 PM
Yes that is from one of their ads. One of two versions. 66 If that is the year being focused on) would be very early to be able to get your hands on one of those. Know of one fo the first ones to come off the molds and it was the conventional style not the tilt style
I always thought those kits looked pretty cool. Better still would be if you added on the spoiler rear deck to the front end kit.
That particular kit was designed by Larry Shinoda for Fiberfab if I'm not mistaken.
- Phillip
Quote from: propayne on February 16, 2024, 01:52:56 PM
That particular kit was designed by Larry Shinoda for Fiberfab if I'm not mistaken.
- Phillip
Correct, moonlighting while working GM at the time I believe. There are a couple of past threads on the subject
i thank you all for your answers,
at the moment we can only suggest that the GT350,
has anybody a opportunity to contact Robert Vickery ?
i only find an old Articel and did a Face Comparsment,
seems pretty much the same as on the T/A Mustang Pics
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For the Cobra we can only suggest it is CSX3018, the 427 Competition from Messersmith,
but i cant find a Pic where it is with the Racing Windshield and the other Details.
the pic below has the Oil Cooler Cover and the Chromed Sidepipe, but seems time period correct
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Quote from: gt350cs on February 14, 2024, 10:22:26 PM
Szabo, I have recorded as many "original issue" license plate numbers that I have been able to find. Howard got me started we he share infromation from The Hertz cars that I was researching. From that it has expanded to all years that I can find. By the way the 1966 Black and Gold Hertz pictured in Mustang Monthly was assigned the CA Plate SVR 416. My car received SVR 419 - (corrected Plate Number). Both are recorded in the Registry. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
Corretion - "Mustang Monthly" should be "Mustang Does It" book by Ray Miller!
Really cool, i like that nerdy stuff, reminds me of Richstangs MFG License Plate Thread,
when i found something i will send it to you, hope we all can find more interesting stutt
Quote from: camp upshur on February 15, 2024, 12:01:30 AM
That Ray Wolff red notchback #9?
Has anyone covered that car? Maybe I've missed it ??
Not trimmed as a Group ll, but talk about SAI DNA, wow.
i have some more pics from the ebay seller
i tryed to contact TransAmEdgar from the Ponysite.de, he is the best source for that stuff
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Quote from: J_Speegle on February 16, 2024, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: propayne on February 16, 2024, 01:52:56 PM
That particular kit was designed by Larry Shinoda for Fiberfab if I'm not mistaken.
- Phillip
Correct, moonlighting while working GM at the time I believe. There are a couple of past threads on the subject
For the hole Fiberfab Thing i have not much,
only know 5s304 was converted and show 2013 in a Mustang Magazin with the Front End and the 67 Syled Rear End
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Greets from Germany
Stephan
The airport race is at Santa Barbara (Golita) Airport. https://0398ca9.netsolhost.com/covsb966.htm #4 Don Peck is probably a typo for Don Pike who ran a blue Mustang. And don't miss Pete Brock #73 running his Hino. Ted Block #3 was our local Datsun dealer I wonder if he and Brock had any talks about Brock racing Datsuns. Shelby owned an office building in Playa Del Rey. I wonder if Brock was in the same building it's kind of a bedroom community without an industrial area to build race cars.
The Red Coupe is probably one of those back door efforts if we can't find it in the SA Group 2 build list. As an AS car it would have been run in local SCCA club races. Sometimes the amateur cars would run in a TA race to bulk up the field.
As near as I can tell SCCA changed classes in 1966 adding the TA series and designating TA as the pro cars and AS & BS as the club ones. Both built to the same specs.
AS = American Sedan® (AS), comprised of Chevrolet Camaros, Pontiac Firebirds and Ford Mustangs, are production-based chassis with modified suspensions and brakes. Engines are carbureted 302 and 305 CID V-8s that have been balanced and blueprinted.
BS = B Spec for the compact cars - under 2.0L
Group 2 was the FIA classification that SCCA followed for the pro TransAm series and their own AS class - The Group 2 racing class referred to regulations for cars in touring car racing and rallying, as regulated by the FIA. Group 2 was replaced by Group A in 1982. Today SCCA has the TransAm (licensed to an outside company) and the GT1. Both the same cars TA is pro series and GT1 amateur series.
Actually, Donald Peck (who was Gregory Pecks brother) bought the silver blue Group II car used to develop the Group II package from Shelby and raced it for a couple of years, first in its original blue, then later yellow. The Peck-Pike thing has definitely created some confusion in the history of these cars.
Dave
Interesting coincidence (?) in the 1966 Santa Barbara race program that Brett posted: Michael Szabo, Cortina driver.
Any relation to our own Stephan "Szabo"?
First off - THANK YOU Stephan (Szabo) for sharing / posting the incredible new-to-us photos of the Kamm tail GT350, especially that one of it at Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda!!! (HPM 2). That one really made my year!! I've said several times on this Forum that the greatest thrill for me in this hobby is that the start of every new year reveals photos that were previously unknown to us, and that the thrill of that has never faded for me.
It got George Watters & I to restart previous discussions we have had about HPM 2, and when I resent him that rear view of a GT350 parked outside with the dealership in the background, he added some great directional location info. I took his information and rotated / reworked an aerial photo that I probably had posted on Forum 1.0 back in the day.
Here are George's words, and then the photo that I reworked (with added directional lines):
"The close up rear shot of the '65 GT 350 is the one that you can the exterior of HPM 2 building. The camera is facing South so we see the North side of the showroom. I think that this picture is the only one that I have ever seen that actually shows part of the exterior of the showroom. Again we are facing South. Sepulveda Blvd would be to the left. If you look very closely you can see the side street sign that should say Walnut. ( look closely in the middle of the rear window just above the right top stripe ) Basically looking right thru the small showroom. This was the small street next to HPM and it ran East, West. Sepulveda Blvd ran North, South."
George
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Here is another of George's old photos looking north.
Talking about the Rear Spoiler, My Memory is not as good as it used to be but, I remember a story a while back, either here or in Mustang Monthly Magazine about a man who designed the Trunk Spoiler, He had a Red 65/66 Mustang Fastback. The Decklid and End Caps were one piece.
Quote from: tesgt350 on February 20, 2024, 07:18:52 AM
Talking about the Rear Spoiler, My Memory is not as good as it used to be but, I remember a story a while back, either here or in Mustang Monthly Magazine about a man who designed the Trunk Spoiler, He had a Red 65/66 Mustang Fastback. The Decklid and End Caps were one piece.
There has been discussions about who first designed the spoilered trunk lids. Seems to be a fair number of fastbacks with the design all around the same time. Here are some examples
Dearborn Steel Mustang II that traveled around the country with Fords Custom Caravan. More of a shelf with a raised back edge
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Bud Anderson built five custom fastbacks that toured around the country. All with a spoiler rear trunk lid area. Here are two of them
This white one, when sold after showing received one of the first Fiberfab front ends. It remained in that buyers ownership into the 1990's. Berry Plastic's used a rear shot of this white Grand American in at least one ad prior to coming up with their own design shown below. As we can read according to this report in the news paper the inspiration was the GT40
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Another of the five
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Berry Plastic's (provider of the 67 Shelby fiberglass) design
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And a white fastback of the one piece that never caught on for a number of reasons
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Since all (but the Dearborn Steel car) used production 65 fastbacks its difficult to determine IMHO which came first
Wow Jeff - a few there I have not seen before - thanks!
- Phillip
Quote from: J_Speegle on February 20, 2024, 02:01:13 PM
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1965 Bonneville - NSU Motorcycle powered set a record. Omicron #3 NSU streamliner, Wilhelm Herz, FIA International records, Bonneville 1965
No other shots of the spoilered Mustang I could find but AK Miller did run a Coupe Ford gave him - 289 with Hilborn injection. His Devin roadster in 1966 ran a 427 Ford and sported what are probably the fastest set of 66 GT350 10 spokes ever produced.
Acc. to some pics in Alex Tremulis archive Vince Gardner from DST formed the rear spoiler on his (or a) red fastback some time after 5S08F100009. Gardner and Tremulis met each other quite often and both cars (red and white)appeared there in private photos at Gardners house. Seems like Vince made a second on the white car seen above or changed it to that one later. I think they both together put the first spoiler on Mustang fastbacks aside from the shorty
(http://www.ponysite.de/redmustangspoilertremulis.jpg)
Here's another unique rear deck lid spoiler....shot after the 1966 Sebring 12-Hours with part of the damaged Comstock Racing GT40 as a souvenir.
https://library.revsinstitute.org/12-hours-of-sebring/285044
Quote from: kranky on February 21, 2024, 08:00:36 PM
Here's another unique rear deck lid spoiler....shot after the 1966 Sebring 12-Hours with part of the damaged Comstock Racing GT40 as a souvenir.
https://library.revsinstitute.org/12-hours-of-sebring/285044
Maryland Transporter license plate. 1966 owner built?
The Sebring Community Redevelopment Agency is seeking proposals for the development of the property at 139 N. Ridgewood Drive where the Nan-Ces-O-Wee Hotel was located.
Quote from: Szabo on February 14, 2024, 04:36:42 PM
Hello all together,
it seems this thread is right at the point ;D
Very cool to see this action here ...
Quote from: gt350cs on February 13, 2024, 10:41:01 PM
I believe that the 1966 GT350 might well be 6S420, which is recorded as CA License plate RWD 816. That would be my best guess. Robert Vickery Leased the car12/2/65 and return to Hi-Performance Motors one month later.
This is a full match for me, i can read the Digits on the GT350 Plate very good, the R is a little bit unclear, it could also be a P, but the rest is clear to read
Very cool, how did you know that so quick.
Everthing known from 6s420 today ?
Quote from: JWH on February 13, 2024, 10:54:37 PM
Great pictures Stephan, thank you for posting. Another question is who is the driver and who are the guys around the cars? The trailer mirror on the passenger door and the whip antennae are really interesting. And the Cobra is running full out. Really cool.
For the Man with the sunglasses and the CS Shirt i have no clue, maybe it is Robert Vickery,
but for the Man which the Helmet i have a match, this man is RAY WOLFF, the Generel Manager from
Hi-Perfromance Motors, 901 N. Sepulveda Blvd, El Segundo (short HPM2)
and this fits also very good in the hole story about the GT350 and the Pic standing on the fence
of HPM2
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In this Pic you can see his helmet very good, even the hole Body is similar.
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Szabo,
Another photo of the Ray Wolff 1965 Mustang A/Sedan car, looks like Riverside. I'd bet money that's the Peter Cordts Falcon beside him. Thanks for posting all these photos, I really like the Mustang hardtop sedan racers. I need to get mine put back together....
Dave
Quote from: SFM66H on February 19, 2024, 05:40:10 PM
First off - THANK YOU Stephan (Szabo) for sharing / posting the incredible new-to-us photos of the Kamm tail GT350, especially that one of it at Hi-Performance Motors on Sepulveda!!! (HPM 2). That one really made my year!! I've said several times on this Forum that the greatest thrill for me in this hobby is that the start of every new year reveals photos that were previously unknown to us, and that the thrill of that has never faded for me.
It got George Watters & I to restart previous discussions we have had about HPM 2, and when I resent him that rear view of a GT350 parked outside with the dealership in the background, he added some great directional location info. I took his information and rotated / reworked an aerial photo that I probably had posted on Forum 1.0 back in the day.
Here are George's words, and then the photo that I reworked (with added directional lines):
"The close up rear shot of the '65 GT 350 is the one that you can the exterior of HPM 2 building. The camera is facing South so we see the North side of the showroom. I think that this picture is the only one that I have ever seen that actually shows part of the exterior of the showroom. Again we are facing South. Sepulveda Blvd would be to the left. If you look very closely you can see the side street sign that should say Walnut. ( look closely in the middle of the rear window just above the right top stripe ) Basically looking right thru the small showroom. This was the small street next to HPM and it ran East, West. Sepulveda Blvd ran North, South."
George
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/52-190224171841.jpeg)
Hello Kieth and George
I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your afford and contact with me,
always a big help to understand all these little things.
Great to read that you have new points to speak over HPM2
and yes, it is a thrill, it drives me crazy in my brain to find new stuff and find the backround storys of all the
points in time.
Quote from: J_Speegle on February 20, 2024, 02:01:13 PM
Quote from: tesgt350 on February 20, 2024, 07:18:52 AM
Talking about the Rear Spoiler, My Memory is not as good as it used to be but, I remember a story a while back, either here or in Mustang Monthly Magazine about a man who designed the Trunk Spoiler, He had a Red 65/66 Mustang Fastback. The Decklid and End Caps were one piece.
There has been discussions about who first designed the spoilered trunk lids. Seems to be a fair number of fastbacks with the design all around the same time. Here are some examples
Dearborn Steel Mustang II that traveled around the country with Fords Custom Caravan. More of a shelf with a raised back edge
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-200224134009-201191743.jpeg)
Bud Anderson built five custom fastbacks that toured around the country. All with a spoiler rear trunk lid area. Here are two of them
This white one, when sold after showing received one of the first Fiberfab front ends. It remained in that buyers ownership into the 1990's. Berry Plastic's used a rear shot of this white Grand American in at least one ad prior to coming up with their own design shown below. As we can read according to this report in the news paper the inspiration was the GT40
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-200224134005-201171834.jpeg)
Another of the five
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-200224134009-201181595.jpeg)
Berry Plastic's (provider of the 67 Shelby fiberglass) design
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-200224134004-201161046.jpeg)
And a white fastback of the one piece that never caught on for a number of reasons
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-200224134011-20120288.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-200224135838-201211965.jpeg)
Since all (but the Dearborn Steel car) used production 65 fastbacks its difficult to determine IMHO which came first
Fantastic complication about "The Spoilers" on Mustangs, great to see, some of that i know befor, but mostly new to learn for me...
that one on the "Mel Burns Shelby GT350" is also very interesting, using a Shelby to show it ...
Quote from: Side-Oilers on February 17, 2024, 05:28:34 PM
Interesting coincidence (?) in the 1966 Santa Barbara race program that Brett posted: Michael Szabo, Cortina driver.
Any relation to our own Stephan "Szabo"?
;D Now you got me, i am a time traveller and race for fun in the 60´s ;D
Thats what i wish, but this is really funny that the "Szabo" name appears in the list
my Nickname comes from a Name in a comedy about a person who´s named Szabo and is
given by friends of mine.