SAAC Forum

Deals and Appeals => Up For Auction => Topic started by: Kent on June 30, 2021, 07:31:13 AM

Title: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: Kent on June 30, 2021, 07:31:13 AM
https://barnfinds.com/fully-documented-survivor-1967-shelby-mustang-gt500/
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: FL SAAC on June 30, 2021, 09:09:16 AM
$200k for a driver, hard pass in todays environment
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: 67 GT350 on June 30, 2021, 09:42:58 AM
To much.
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: 6972boss on June 30, 2021, 10:51:40 AM
Repainted?? The stripe is not correct.... whole lotta money!
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: Vernon Estes on June 30, 2021, 01:02:44 PM
Yes, the car has been repainted. A former owner of the car was sold the car by a well known SAAC member who frequents the forum...that SAAC member is an upstanding seller and advertised it as having an old repaint on it. The next owner seems to have casually forgotten about that small detail. It appears it was then resold on that owner's behalf at Carlisle this last year to whoever has the car currently.  Regardless of knowing of the repaint from the SAAC member who found and sold the car to the prior owner...there are a few clear signs even in the extremely limited photographs of the car which indicate that the car has been painted.

Here is what an honest original paint 67 GT500 in lime looks like...https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-shelby-gt500-11/

Kind regards,
Vern
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: shelbymann1970 on June 30, 2021, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: Vernon Estes on June 30, 2021, 01:02:44 PM
Yes, the car has been repainted. A former owner of the car was sold the car by a well known SAAC member who frequents the forum...that SAAC member is an upstanding seller and advertised it as having an old repaint on it. The next owner seems to have casually forgotten about that small detail. It appears it was then resold on that owner's behalf at Carlisle this last year to whoever has the car currently.  Regardless of knowing of the repaint from the SAAC member who found and sold the car to the prior owner...there are a few clear signs even in the extremely limited photographs of the car which indicate that the car has been painted.

Here is what an honest original paint 67 GT500 in lime looks like...https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-shelby-gt500-11/

Kind regards,
Vern
Stripe is a giveaway compared to your car. Are the front stone chips revealing a dark under paint/primer another? It is a shame when someone misrepresents a car especially when a good premium should be applied to original paint cars. Gary
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: FL SAAC on June 30, 2021, 02:11:11 PM
Dang, that B. A. T. car is technically a one owner car:

"The car was traded in six months later and purchased in February 1968 by its second owner, with whom it spent 51 years"

Quote from: Vernon Estes on June 30, 2021, 01:02:44 PM
Yes, the car has been repainted. A former owner of the car was sold the car by a well known SAAC member who frequents the forum...that SAAC member is an upstanding seller and advertised it as having an old repaint on it. The next owner seems to have casually forgotten about that small detail. It appears it was then resold on that owner's behalf at Carlisle this last year to whoever has the car currently.  Regardless of knowing of the repaint from the SAAC member who found and sold the car to the prior owner...there are a few clear signs even in the extremely limited photographs of the car which indicate that the car has been painted.

Here is what an honest original paint 67 GT500 in lime looks like...https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-shelby-gt500-11/

Kind regards,
Vern
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: 557 on June 30, 2021, 05:14:28 PM
So non original carbs and a kinda crappy repaint on an otherwise "original" car for only $200k?!?!Such a bargain!!! :o
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: 68krrrr on July 01, 2021, 01:29:19 AM
Wtf Black Parchment interior lol

"When we turn our attention to the interior, we find that it is upholstered in its original Black parchment trim"
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: shelbymann1970 on July 01, 2021, 06:27:40 AM
 OK experts what exactly is a survivor? So I take my Shelby. Repaint it and leave the crappy engine compartment with many aftermarket pieces in it alone and underside looking like crap and try and sell it 20 years later after I drove it accumulating road scars it can be deemed a survivor? But if I fully restore it  and preserve it it isn't? A good friend of mine has cars if compared to this Shelby would be survivors. But he has a couple of true survivors. His original paint 69 Boss 429,all original  5K mile 85 Mustang GT, 18K mile all original 89 Porsche and his original paint 67 Vette. His other cars while original underneath have had a repaint and we sure don't put that term on them. Partially restored is it. I'm just sick of the broad use of "survivor".
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: 67 GT350 on July 01, 2021, 09:36:05 AM
My opinion of a "Survivor" is anything that has had only maintenance performed to keep it running well. NO Paint Jobs. A "survivor" can also be a car that shows ware, like a rust spot or paint that shows ware. A "DRIVER" is something that is driven.
Just one man's opinion.
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: George Schalk on July 01, 2021, 02:04:17 PM
Being considered a "SURVIVOR" car can be a slippery slope in some cases.  There are different levels of "survivor" from the car that is 100% original and still in the wrapper to a car that has been driven, but retains its original paint and has been well maintained over the years with oem replacement parts. 

A true "SURVIVOR" car should really be defined as having original factory applied paint in any condition, but original, with minimal touch up (maybe up to 10% respray?).  Chips, scrapes, small dents, some rust, sun fade acceptable.  "One older repaint" automatically disqualifies any car as being in a survivor status.  Original paint is the basis of a survivor car.

The '67 GT500 on Barnfinds should by no means be categorized as a survivor car.
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: FL SAAC on July 01, 2021, 02:56:29 PM
.very interesting views, but you can only be original once
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: shelbymann1970 on July 01, 2021, 03:31:53 PM
This is my best survivor I have ever owned. The interior was mint original in white. Ford engineer ordered it at the end of Vert production in 1973. Had 6 kids so the car was his toy. 15K original miles. no winters. Zbarted and no rust.
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: FL SAAC on July 01, 2021, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on July 01, 2021, 03:31:53 PM
This is my best survivor I have ever owned. The interior was mint original in white. Ford engineer ordered it at the end of Vert production in 1973. Had 6 kids so the car was his toy. 15K original miles. no winters. Zbarted and no rust.

Love those verts,  end of the line
Title: Re: 1967 GT500 on Barnfinds
Post by: 557 on July 01, 2021, 07:01:27 PM
Honesty is always the best policy.You can call it anything you want, but you should disclose any deviations from original that you know of.Of course if a car has gone through 8 owners and 3 auctions that can be "somewhat difficult " to piece together.... 8)