Is this for real?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-shelby-mustang-gt350-7/
Looks like a perilous restoration.
Nice car and allegedly the last 1966 GT350
But it has a few issues like rust everywhere. Yes I know some experts would say that it all could be fixed (in my opinion it needs a complete dynacorn body plus accessories) but there is a point that you loose all of its charm, originality and it becomes a facsimile of what it was a 1966 GT350
If this Shelby could have been bought originally from the previous owner, it may have been a deal.
If I would have bought ( but more than likely I would not have ) I would have driven it as is and enjoyed it in it's current condition.
But at this moment we are beyond that point, the person who bought it now has it on B. A. T. spinning it off attempting to make a profit and that's
O. K. with me.
Everyone is looking at all the pictures ( 435 ) the seller provided and knows exactly what they are getting.
Best of luck to the seller !
Tough to look at. Notwithstanding the challenging restoration... repro SFM tag, replacement tach/intake/carb to name a few items...
Looks like maybe it was stored outside under a carport with a cover on it.
Quote from: CharlesTurner on February 09, 2024, 10:43:33 PM
Tough to look at. Notwithstanding the challenging restoration... repro SFM tag, replacement tach/intake/carb to name a few items...
Looks like maybe it was stored outside under a carport with a cover on it.
agreed but still better shape than this car in the link it appears. Not a dynacorn candidate like someone above said(who would ever dynacorn a Shelby?) like this car was. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-ford-mustang-223/
The unknown is after stripping are you left with a pitted car with some holes or a "holely" car?
Having had many cars restored, both body off for frame cars and rotisserie for unibodies, I think the cost to do such a thing on this car is not economically a good choice. But, if money is no object and you want the last of the series, go for it.
Tough to look at, but reading the comments is more painful.
Like "too bad Dennis Collins didnt find it, he would give it what it needs"
Ah, okay
I have seen pitted shocks, but I have never seen dissolved shocks, until now.
Not bad $100K with TEN days left. # SFM6S2374
People may be optimistic it is only surface rust.
Looks to me like it was stored in a 100% humidity garage. The person who buys it needs to be very sure of what they are getting into and that they are willing to fund the entire project. If I had any say in it, I'd have it painted back to Sapphire Blue.
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 10, 2024, 05:21:31 PM
People may be optimistic it is only surface rust.
+1. Usually when brown rust is showing through the paint, that usually means holes underneath, or at least rust that is on it's way to leaving holes. This might be one for someone to poke on the bottom of the car with a screwdriver.
For later on down the road when we want to research this auction. At some point BAT's servers are going to be full and these auctions will be deleted, it's inevitable.
6S2374
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Auction description:
This 1966 Shelby Mustang GT350 was ordered on August 19, 1966, and left the factory on September 29, 1966, as the final first-series GT350 fastback built before production shifted to the revised 1967 model. Originally finished in blue and equipped with a rear seat and a radio, chassis 6S2374 was initially shipped to Minnesota dealer Herb Tousley Ford, who declined delivery and returned the car to the Ford Distribution Point in St. Paul. The car was later shipped to Chicago dealer Milo Brooke Inc., from whom it was purchased by its original owner on March 20, 1967. It was sold in 1978 to its second owner, who repainted it white before later placing it in storage, where it remained until being discovered and purchased by the seller in 2012. Equipped with a 289ci HiPo V8, the car also features a four-speed manual transmission, Kelsey-Hayes front disc brakes, Koni shock absorbers, Magnum 500-style 14" wheels, black vinyl upholstery, a dash-mounted tachometer, and an AM radio. This GT350 is now offered as a non-running project with copies of its factory invoices and a clean Indiana title in the name of the seller's LLC.
The 1966 GT350 model entered production in August 1965 carrying over much of first-year model's design while gaining plexiglass rear quarter windows, smaller-diameter wheels, a fold-down rear seat, and a choice of exterior colors. By mid-1966 plans were finalized for a restyled 1967 model, which entered production in September 1966. This example is said to be the last 1966 GT350 produced for public sale and the last fastback built for the model year, followed only by four 1966 GT350 convertibles developed for private distribution.
Originally finished in Sapphire Blue, the car was repainted in its current shade of white with blue side stripes after the second owner's purchase. Corrosion spots are visible amid the finish on areas of the body and are shown up close in the photo gallery below, as are other imperfections and an area of exposed blue paint under the left edge of the rear bumper. According to the seller, since his purchase, the car has been stored with the intent of retaining the condition in which it was discovered. Features include a hood scoop, hood retaining pins, a fender-mounted antenna, a bullet-style driver's side mirror, and fiberglass brake-cooling scoops on the quarter panels.
Magnum 500-style 14" wheels exhibit areas of corrosion and are wrapped in Goodyear Polyglas D70-14 white-letter tires, while a matching spare wearing a US Royal whitewall tire is housed in the trunk. Kelsey-Hayes front disc brakes were standard on GT350s, as were larger rear drum brakes than those used on contemporary standard Mustang models.
The cabin is trimmed in black knit vinyl over the front bucket seats and fold-down rear bench, with color-matched trim over the door panels. Features include black loop carpeting, Simpson latch-and-link front lap belts, lift-latch rear lap belts, and a push-button AM radio.
The three-spoke steering wheel exhibits cracks on either side of its woodgrain rim and sits ahead of a 140-mph speedometer flanked by gauges monitoring fuel level, oil pressure, amperage, and coolant temperature. The five-digit odometer shows 60k miles. A 9k-rpm tachometer sits atop the dash, and according to factory invoices was replaced in August 1967.
The 289ci HiPo V8 features a four-barrel carburetor, a high-rise intake manifold, ribbed aluminum Cobra valve covers, and a finned aluminum oil pan. Attempts have not been made to start the engine under current ownership. The Ford VIN shown on the engine block corresponds with the Shelby VIN according to GT350 Registrar Howard Pardee.
Power is sent to the rear wheels via a four-speed manual transmission. Suspension incorporates Koni shock absorbers all around as well as under-rider rear traction bars and a larger front sway bar than the standard Mustang. Corrosion is visible on areas of the underside of the floor pans as well as over various underside components.
The initial Shelby American invoice to Herb Tousley Ford is dated September 29, 1966, and lists the original shade of blue as well as the rear seats and radio for a total price of $3,712.45. The subsequent March 1967 invoice to Milo Brooke is shown in the gallery below, as is a June 1967 warranty credit notification for unspecified damages and additional invoices for warranty work.
The Shelby identification tag is believed to be a replacement. The partially redacted Ford VIN is shown stamped on the inner fender and engine block and is said to correspond with the Shelby VIN according to Howard Pardee.
Youtube video posted 10 years ago - https://youtu.be/38i9W1TjRPU?si=tDw1jBDYg_EX7xfq (https://youtu.be/38i9W1TjRPU?si=tDw1jBDYg_EX7xfq)
After watching the Hagerty video from 10 years ago, I noticed the exterior paint didn't have near the amount of rust showing and the spare tire wasn't covered in mud at the time. Makes me wonder how much degradation has occurred under the current ownership.
Regardless, it's an interesting car and auction to watch.
The condition looks like that it was submerged in a bad storm for some time. 8)
Quote from: silverton_ford on February 11, 2024, 11:35:11 AM
For later on down the road when we want to research this auction. At some point BAT's servers are going to be full and these auctions will be deleted, it's inevitable.
6S2374
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Auction description:
This 1966 Shelby Mustang GT350 was ordered on August 19, 1966, and left the factory on September 29, 1966, as the final first-series GT350 fastback built before production shifted to the revised 1967 model. Originally finished in blue and equipped with a rear seat and a radio, chassis 6S2374 was initially shipped to Minnesota dealer Herb Tousley Ford, who declined delivery and returned the car to the Ford Distribution Point in St. Paul. The car was later shipped to Chicago dealer Milo Brooke Inc., from whom it was purchased by its original owner on March 20, 1967. It was sold in 1978 to its second owner, who repainted it white before later placing it in storage, where it remained until being discovered and purchased by the seller in 2012. Equipped with a 289ci HiPo V8, the car also features a four-speed manual transmission, Kelsey-Hayes front disc brakes, Koni shock absorbers, Magnum 500-style 14" wheels, black vinyl upholstery, a dash-mounted tachometer, and an AM radio. This GT350 is now offered as a non-running project with copies of its factory invoices and a clean Indiana title in the name of the seller's LLC.
The 1966 GT350 model entered production in August 1965 carrying over much of first-year model's design while gaining plexiglass rear quarter windows, smaller-diameter wheels, a fold-down rear seat, and a choice of exterior colors. By mid-1966 plans were finalized for a restyled 1967 model, which entered production in September 1966. This example is said to be the last 1966 GT350 produced for public sale and the last fastback built for the model year, followed only by four 1966 GT350 convertibles developed for private distribution.
Originally finished in Sapphire Blue, the car was repainted in its current shade of white with blue side stripes after the second owner's purchase. Corrosion spots are visible amid the finish on areas of the body and are shown up close in the photo gallery below, as are other imperfections and an area of exposed blue paint under the left edge of the rear bumper. According to the seller, since his purchase, the car has been stored with the intent of retaining the condition in which it was discovered. Features include a hood scoop, hood retaining pins, a fender-mounted antenna, a bullet-style driver's side mirror, and fiberglass brake-cooling scoops on the quarter panels.
Magnum 500-style 14" wheels exhibit areas of corrosion and are wrapped in Goodyear Polyglas D70-14 white-letter tires, while a matching spare wearing a US Royal whitewall tire is housed in the trunk. Kelsey-Hayes front disc brakes were standard on GT350s, as were larger rear drum brakes than those used on contemporary standard Mustang models.
The cabin is trimmed in black knit vinyl over the front bucket seats and fold-down rear bench, with color-matched trim over the door panels. Features include black loop carpeting, Simpson latch-and-link front lap belts, lift-latch rear lap belts, and a push-button AM radio.
The three-spoke steering wheel exhibits cracks on either side of its woodgrain rim and sits ahead of a 140-mph speedometer flanked by gauges monitoring fuel level, oil pressure, amperage, and coolant temperature. The five-digit odometer shows 60k miles. A 9k-rpm tachometer sits atop the dash, and according to factory invoices was replaced in August 1967.
The 289ci HiPo V8 features a four-barrel carburetor, a high-rise intake manifold, ribbed aluminum Cobra valve covers, and a finned aluminum oil pan. Attempts have not been made to start the engine under current ownership. The Ford VIN shown on the engine block corresponds with the Shelby VIN according to GT350 Registrar Howard Pardee.
Power is sent to the rear wheels via a four-speed manual transmission. Suspension incorporates Koni shock absorbers all around as well as under-rider rear traction bars and a larger front sway bar than the standard Mustang. Corrosion is visible on areas of the underside of the floor pans as well as over various underside components.
The initial Shelby American invoice to Herb Tousley Ford is dated September 29, 1966, and lists the original shade of blue as well as the rear seats and radio for a total price of $3,712.45. The subsequent March 1967 invoice to Milo Brooke is shown in the gallery below, as is a June 1967 warranty credit notification for unspecified damages and additional invoices for warranty work.
The Shelby identification tag is believed to be a replacement. The partially redacted Ford VIN is shown stamped on the inner fender and engine block and is said to correspond with the Shelby VIN according to Howard Pardee.
Youtube video posted 10 years ago - https://youtu.be/38i9W1TjRPU?si=tDw1jBDYg_EX7xfq (https://youtu.be/38i9W1TjRPU?si=tDw1jBDYg_EX7xfq)
you don't save pics to files for future reference on cars? I got a lot but not enough so to speak usually of the "good" cars. I just saved some pics of a 69 coupe for the standard interior door paint lower black on an aqua car as it is original.
I just watched the video and remembered seeing it years earlier. I can't believe how bad it's become since then. The amount of new rust on the exterior is sad considering the fact the owner knew what he had and must have stored it outside and under a tarp to get so much under paint rust- actually looked cool 10yrs ago! A few more years left like that in a damp environment and there would be big holes everywhere so at least he's moving it onto someone who will hopefully store it better and do something with it.
The car was inside when my friends went there to buy Corvette parts as the owner was a big Corvette guy.
These pictures are from April 10 2021
Looks like a Model A beside it... :)
TOB
So did Gino Burelli sell the car to the person in shown in image reply No. 18? Makes you wonder what else is going on that the car has not even been made to run, let alone a restoration in the last ten years.
Cory
Feb 13 at 9:30 AM
Ncrstopflight (The Seller)
Good morning everyone.
If you are just seeing this listing please read all previous comments starting at the beginning. Many of these redundant comments have been addressed earlier. This car was found in the Chicagoland area. Not on the banks of the Mississippi River or the Louisiana Delta. Maybe some of you have heard the term "Rust Belt" ???? That's were this car sat in a garage for 30 years. In the Midwest, in the middle of the "Industrial Rust Belt". I didn't investigate if the attached garage was heated. I was to busy looking at the Shelby, Ferrari, Alfa and all the Memorabilia. It was end of the Summer so I wasn't thinking about that. I didn't even go in the mans house because I was told the garage was much cleaner and I could hardly breath the air in the garage. Nasty doesn't even begin to describe it.
I would like to direct everyone to photo #458. The pictures of the car on that Display Board is of it sitting in the owners garage. It's on an unsealed cement floor with an area rug underneath it. All three cars had rugs underneath them. If you know anything about proper storage you know that is a huge mistake. The rugs traps moisture. This is like putting a wet sponge under it and keeping it wet for 30 years. The moisture goes straight up into the car. That's why it looks like it does.
If you grew up in the Midwest in then 50's, 60's and 70's every car you past on the road was rusting out. 5 year old cars had holes in the lower fenders you could put your fist through. My father bought a brand new 1967 Mustang. It was rusting when he brought it home. Anyone remember "Zebart" ???? It's a miracle this metal on this car is in such good condition.
The Shelby is available for inspection every day during this auction. Come inspect it. You will see exactly what is there. Surface rust and zero rust through. The metal is solid and I see no panels that will need to be replaced. I can't be anymore transparent then I have been with this listing. I've restored a lot of cars in my life and this is mild compared to the condition of some of those projects. People would be shocked to see the " before" pictures of many multi million dollar collector cars that are restored to museum condition.
Several major Car Shows now have "Barn Found" categories. Winning bidders can take it around the circuit for a couple years exactly the way it is. This will be the most popular car there.
Finally as I have stated previously. The winning bidder is getting what I found. The way I found it. It's exactly what I pulled out of the owners garage down to the dirt and dust. Your stepping into my shoes.
Thanks
I really don't think that being the last 66 produced means it is any more valuable or has any more water cooler talk value than any production 66.
Quote from: Bigfoot on February 13, 2024, 03:58:18 PM
I really don't think that being the last 66 produced means it is any more valuable or has any more water cooler talk value than any production 66.
+1, it's splitting hairs with the 4 convertibles built last.
It's much more interesting/desirable that it's a 4sp sapphire blue car
Yes, firsts and lasts can sometimes be valuable, but it depends a lot on the car. One collector I know likes to buy the first and last of each Corvette series, and has paid a premium for them. The car I sold at BJ was the last of a kind, and did pretty well.
four days left and up to $166k great results on " the last one "
I'd be curious if 166K met the reserve. Going from 101K to 166K is "interesting". One guy said it was a time capsule. This car doesn't even come close to being a time capsule.
How can one prove that this 66 is the last one built. Were the latter part of 66 production were they built in strict order? Paperwork on the "last car"?
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 16, 2024, 11:48:09 AM
I'd be curious if 166K met the reserve. Going from 101K to 166K is "interesting". One guy said it was a time capsule. This car doesn't even come close to being a time capsule.
How can one prove that this 66 is the last one built. Were the latter part of 66 production were they built in strict order? Paperwork on the "last car"?
I was trying to be nice in my response about the car being a time capsule, about spit up my morning tea when I read it, lol! When I read their next comment about they hadn't seen another Shelby with original traction bars intact, I knew it was a lost cause to reply again.
Howard may know the completed dates for '66 cars, it's not in the registry. That detail is in the '65 registry and there were 2 more days of production and 7 cars completed after the last '65 s/n, 5S562. I doubt there was any effort to complete cars in order during the '66 run.
Charles I wanted to post the following comment but didn't. " has anyone watched Graveyard carz? Have you seen before and after pics of cars after they were dipped?"
with that said It's amazing how much metal is gone after getting rid of all the rust. I've seen cars that looked a lot better come out as Swiss cheese after dipping. I suspect this car will be also. The frame under the front floor on one side it appears the hole where the car was mounted to the jig appears to be rusted out on one side so it is no longer a round hole. I remember reading where a well known restorer judge did a car and it was considered probably the best restored one of it's kind. The key was he started with an excellent car. The worse the car is the bigger challenge getting it to a top dollar SAAC div1 or II car when rust is involved.
The current price of that car is amazing to me, as mentioned it is above 29 of the 40 '66 GT350s sold on BaT and is heading north. Considering the condition and originality of the car, that boggles my mind.
I haven't looked closely at the pictures so this car might not be a perfect example but if you had a car like this and the original frame was unrestorable what do you do? Is it still the same car on a different frame? Does it make it worth a lot less?
Quote from: OldFordGuy on February 17, 2024, 01:40:30 AM
I haven't looked closely at the pictures so this car might not be a perfect example but if you had a car like this and the original frame was unrestorable what do you do? Is it still the same car on a different frame? Does it make it worth a lot less?
If the car is re-bodied, yes "It is worth a lot less." A re-body is slight better than a clone and a long ways from an original car. I expect this car is very restorable. But I wonder why it has not been touched in the last ten years. Is there something else going on?
Cory
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 16, 2024, 04:24:58 PM
The current price of that car is amazing to me, as mentioned it is above 29 of the 40 '66 GT350s sold on BaT and is heading north. Considering the condition and originality of the car, that boggles my mind.
When an auction is a reserve auction I don't think much of the bid price unless a car sells. It would surprise me if BaT let a car like this have a reserve above 166K but if they pushed it as a "survivor" and "last one made" who knows unless the auction ends at 166K sold. 101K to 166K isn't normal unless we are talking about a nice 65 Shelby, Boss 429, etc. Look, I've been asked to bid on reserve cars before....
3 days left....show me the money $170k
interesting that a non carryover project with 3 days left is at 170K but a 67 Gt500 in legacy colors , stunning and with a 20K+ extra engine on a stand with HM doing all the engine work is only at 175K with a few hours left ?
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 17, 2024, 09:52:38 AM
interesting that a non carryover project with 3 days left is at 170K but a 67 Gt500 in legacy colors , stunning and with a 20K+ extra engine on a stand with HM doing all the engine work is only at 175K with a few hours left ?
with all due respect, although all the 65-69 cars are desirable, you just can not compare to the holy grail cars or Icons ( 65-66) to the other years
The early models will always have a bigger draw and demand than the rest of the family of shelbys
just my three cents
Back to this fantastic story in the making "the last 1966"
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 17, 2024, 05:05:26 AM
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 16, 2024, 04:24:58 PM
The current price of that car is amazing to me, as mentioned it is above 29 of the 40 '66 GT350s sold on BaT and is heading north. Considering the condition and originality of the car, that boggles my mind.
When an auction is a reserve auction I don't think much of the bid price unless a car sells. It would surprise me if BaT let a car like this have a reserve above 166K but if they pushed it as a "survivor" and "last one made" who knows unless the auction ends at 166K sold. 101K to 166K isn't normal unless we are talking about a nice 65 Shelby, Boss 429, etc. Look, I've been asked to bid on reserve cars before....
Ah, the old Mecum chandelier bids trick..... 8)
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 17, 2024, 12:13:18 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 17, 2024, 05:05:26 AM
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 16, 2024, 04:24:58 PM
The current price of that car is amazing to me, as mentioned it is above 29 of the 40 '66 GT350s sold on BaT and is heading north. Considering the condition and originality of the car, that boggles my mind.
When an auction is a reserve auction I don't think much of the bid price unless a car sells. It would surprise me if BaT let a car like this have a reserve above 166K but if they pushed it as a "survivor" and "last one made" who knows unless the auction ends at 166K sold. 101K to 166K isn't normal unless we are talking about a nice 65 Shelby, Boss 429, etc. Look, I've been asked to bid on reserve cars before....
Ah, the old Mecum chandelier bids trick..... 8)
Do you remember when the infamous Reggie Jackson ZL-1 Camaro sold at BJ a few years ago? Stalled at around 200K IIRC. Then steve and Craig started telling the drinkers that the car was way under valued. Then it kept going up to 300K-again IIRC- and stalled there for what seemed like an eternity and I swear-again IIRC- Reggie or someone nodded to the auction guy and the car switched back to 290K(?) and sold. This was a no reserve auction and all captured on TV. I think it was talked about on the supercar Camaro site.
Yes, I do remember that. BJ has their own ways of jacking the bids up too.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 17, 2024, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 17, 2024, 12:13:18 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 17, 2024, 05:05:26 AM
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 16, 2024, 04:24:58 PM
The current price of that car is amazing to me, as mentioned it is above 29 of the 40 '66 GT350s sold on BaT and is heading north. Considering the condition and originality of the car, that boggles my mind.
When an auction is a reserve auction I don't think much of the bid price unless a car sells. It would surprise me if BaT let a car like this have a reserve above 166K but if they pushed it as a "survivor" and "last one made" who knows unless the auction ends at 166K sold. 101K to 166K isn't normal unless we are talking about a nice 65 Shelby, Boss 429, etc. Look, I've been asked to bid on reserve cars before....
Ah, the old Mecum chandelier bids trick..... 8)
Do you remember when the infamous Reggie Jackson ZL-1 Camaro sold at BJ a few years ago? Stalled at around 200K IIRC. Then steve and Craig started telling the drinkers that the car was way under valued. Then it kept going up to 300K-again IIRC- and stalled there for what seemed like an eternity and I swear-again IIRC- Reggie or someone nodded to the auction guy and the car switched back to 290K(?) and sold. This was a no reserve auction and all captured on TV. I think it was talked about on the supercar Camaro site.
Reggie was a special customer to them back then and given special treatment IMO. I can remember standing on the stage at BJ with Jim Wicks when one of Reggies cars was going through. Reggie was up there and started bidding up his own car in plain view of everyone. We just looked at each other in disbelief that he would be so blatant. I am not sure who bought the car or if the buyer got clued in so he could get a BJ rebate from the time Reggie started his bids. I would have all been on tape.
This was the car. Sold for 290(guess I got a good memory, LOL) One of the prior owners in the ownership chain claimed to still have the original body or parts of it. Engine and tags were sold off of it IIRC. Time flies as it was more than a few years ago. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-ZL-1-COPO-COUPE-70622
Here is the story told by the second and "last "owner of the #27 car. See pic
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 17, 2024, 01:25:58 PM
Yes, I do remember that. BJ has their own ways of jacking the bids up too.
correct!
Oh the old " I never intended to misrepresent the car"
How many clone owners say that?
Answer: All of them
In fairness the auction does say "this car has been rebodied"
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 17, 2024, 02:54:14 PM
Oh the old " I never intended to misrepresent the car"
How many clone owners say that?
Answer: All of them
The topic spans 15 years now. The guy really didn't as he was a racer and it was a non titled for street race car. Interesting article I have followed since way back then. I'm surprised the engine has not resurfaced. https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=98327&highlight=reggie+jackson
with all the banter about this car, this could be an all time high for an unrestored 66...
Go man Go !
MAMA MIA ! what a spicy meatball currently at $205K
Love those real ones....
We can all now rest easy on the tag, perfect explanation on why its a bit different...
Quote from: FL SAAC on February 19, 2024, 05:54:52 PM
We can all now rest easy on the tag, perfect explanation on why its a bit different...
WOW what a statement !!!
Just focusing on the later half
"shows that the plant was in San Jose which was close to the lax facility and the K code for the motor was a destination to a high performance Shelby"
When was San Jose close to Los Angeles? (it was really Milpitas nor San Jose ;) Distance between the two about 400 miles
And a "K" code for the motor means it was .... ::) ::) ::) ::)
Got to love or hate BAT
I think he meant to say "last batch" not "lost batch" regardless this is exactly how misinformation is spread and other informed people latch on to it.
Arguing about if this the last car actually built is silly in my mind. There are obviously some people ( informed or not ) that value the highest number
Its time to cue up 1968 #1 my friend...
If the last 66 is at $250,000 with fees...
....What is a Shelby with #0001 worth?
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on February 19, 2024, 07:23:49 PM
If the last 66 is at $250,000 with fees...
....What is a Shelby with #0001 worth?
MORE.... 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on February 19, 2024, 07:23:49 PM
If the last 66 is at $250,000 with fees...
....What is a Shelby with #0001 worth?
You thought two fiddy was high, well its at $263K and 17 hours still left in the 3rd quarter.
This is going to be one helluva fairy tale ending
Wondering if the buyer will pay in "cash money"......
The underside of this thing kinda reminds of the 1957 Plymouth Belvedere buried a half-century ago and unearthed in '07 out in Tulsa.
Quote from: BGlover67 on February 19, 2024, 08:00:14 PM
The underside of this thing kinda reminds of the 1957 Plymouth Belvedere buried a half-century ago and unearthed in '07 out in Tulsa.
I remember that thing
I will not comment on the current $263k bid or what the car is or is not. That train is on autopilot :D
I will comment that I am surprised that nobody on BaT (or here) has researched the BaT seller. His history with the Cunningham LeMans Corvette, Key Bank and NextGear financial judging by a simple Google search and what was published in many articles in Sports Car Market by Legal Files columnist John Draneas is interesting reading.
Certainly I'd suggest the winning bidder, if there is one, complete this transaction with a trusted escrow service. Which, is good advice with any high dollar car from an unknown seller, right?
Attached is a screenshot from one of the SCM articles. Also, since the seller owned this GT350 prior to these proceedings, was it declared as an asset? If not would the creditors have a claim to the car or sale proceeds? I'm not an attorney but it seems maybe that's a question one would ask.
Should be a fascinating and entertaining conclusion in any event!
Quote from: csx289 on February 20, 2024, 09:41:20 AM
I will not comment on the current $263k bid or what the car is or is not. That train is on autopilot :D
I will comment that I am surprised that nobody on BaT (or here) has researched the BaT seller. His history with the Cunningham LeMans Corvette, Key Bank and NextGear financial judging by a simple Google search and what was published in many articles in Sports Car Market by Legal Files columnist John Draneas is interesting reading.
Certainly I'd suggest the winning bidder, if there is one, complete this transaction with a trusted escrow service. Which, is good advice with any high dollar car from an unknown seller, right?
Attached is a screenshot from one of the SCM articles. Also, since the seller owned this GT350 prior to these proceedings, was it declared as an asset? If not would the creditors have a claim to the car or sale proceeds? I'm not an attorney but it seems maybe that's a question one would ask.
Should be a fascinating and entertaining conclusion in any event!
Interesting turn to this fairytale.....stay tuned !
Quote from: csx289 on February 20, 2024, 09:41:20 AM
I will not comment on the current $263k bid or what the car is or is not. That train is on autopilot :D
I will comment that I am surprised that nobody on BaT (or here) has researched the BaT seller. His history with the Cunningham LeMans Corvette, Key Bank and NextGear financial judging by a simple Google search and what was published in many articles in Sports Car Market by Legal Files columnist John Draneas is interesting reading.
Certainly I'd suggest the winning bidder, if there is one, complete this transaction with a trusted escrow service. Which, is good advice with any high dollar car from an unknown seller, right?
Attached is a screenshot from one of the SCM articles. Also, since the seller owned this GT350 prior to these proceedings, was it declared as an asset? If not would the creditors have a claim to the car or sale proceeds? I'm not an attorney but it seems maybe that's a question one would ask.
Should be a fascinating and entertaining conclusion in any event!
I'm impressed you found out so much. I see the seller. A private seller so how did you find out who he was? Dealers are easy for the most part. Kudos on your sleuthing.
Shelbymann I'd like to take credit for being tenacious but it is nothing of the sort. If you watch the Hagerty video posted his name is on the screen...I purchased a 289 Cobra from him years ago and it was a far more exciting transaction than I had hoped for. Lol. Others here have had similar experiences. Also, I had friends involved in the Cunningham Corvette saga, unfortunately. So we can all speak from experience.
Quote from: csx289 on February 20, 2024, 10:05:25 AM
Shelbymann I'd like to take credit for being tenacious but it is nothing of the sort. If you watch the Hagerty video posted his name is on the screen...I purchased a 289 Cobra from him years ago and it was a far more exciting transaction than I had hoped for. Lol. Others here have had similar experiences. Also, I had friends involved in the Cunningham Corvette saga, unfortunately. So we can all speak from experience.
Thanks. I guess a lesson here is if you bid on a car like that, contact the seller. Get to know a little about the seller(Name, address and phone number for an in person chat) and then proceed.
The Cunningham Corvette debacle, and all those involved, is a legend in the Corvette world, along with several other faked "rare" cars, etc.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 20, 2024, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: csx289 on February 20, 2024, 09:41:20 AM
I will not comment on the current $263k bid or what the car is or is not. That train is on autopilot :D
I will comment that I am surprised that nobody on BaT (or here) has researched the BaT seller. His history with the Cunningham LeMans Corvette, Key Bank and NextGear financial judging by a simple Google search and what was published in many articles in Sports Car Market by Legal Files columnist John Draneas is interesting reading.
Certainly I'd suggest the winning bidder, if there is one, complete this transaction with a trusted escrow service. Which, is good advice with any high dollar car from an unknown seller, right?
Attached is a screenshot from one of the SCM articles. Also, since the seller owned this GT350 prior to these proceedings, was it declared as an asset? If not would the creditors have a claim to the car or sale proceeds? I'm not an attorney but it seems maybe that's a question one would ask.
Should be a fascinating and entertaining conclusion in any event!
I'm impressed you found out so much. I see the seller. A private seller so how did you find out who he was? Dealers are easy for the most part. Kudos on your sleuthing.
Lots of us have plenty to say on the subject.
No interest in wasting time on BaT trying to educate the sheep though. Been there, done that..not worth the grief.
Best of luck to the winning bidder. Life is all about the journey..Hope his/hers is a smooth journey from here on out.
Well said as always Vern.
Like the guy said "I don't know why everyone is discussing the tag?"
Ah, because the seller said it was not original?
😳
So I will ask this: IS THIS THE LAST 1966 SHELBY FASTBACK BUILT IN 1966? THE ABSOLUTE LAST? IS IT DOCUMENTED WITH SA RECORDS? Thanks as I'm tired of hearing that BaT wouldn't say it if it wasn't true.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 20, 2024, 12:22:50 PM
So I will ask this: IS THIS THE LAST 1966 SHELBY FASTBACK BUILT IN 1966? THE ABSOLUTE LAST? IS IT DOCUMENTED WITH SA RECORDS? Thanks as I'm tired of hearing that BaT wouldn't say it if it wasn't true.
Howard is probably the only one that could answer that question. Not sure if he has the production data broken down for '66 like they have for '65.
Quote from: CharlesTurner on February 20, 2024, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 20, 2024, 12:22:50 PM
So I will ask this: IS THIS THE LAST 1966 SHELBY FASTBACK BUILT IN 1966? THE ABSOLUTE LAST? IS IT DOCUMENTED WITH SA RECORDS? Thanks as I'm tired of hearing that BaT wouldn't say it if it wasn't true.
Howard is probably the only one that could answer that question. Not sure if he has the production data broken down for '66 like they have for '65.
Of course the reason I'm asking is because BaT is stating it in their header. If it isn't true I wonder if it could be repercussions to BaT? Obviously the price reflects the "last" factor but in what way(s)?
$263,000
"Reserve Not Met"
Explains a few things
Can you say "shill" ?
"FINITO" this valuable specimen is a no sale....
Agree with Bill - not real
Just like a Mecum auction with a reserve, the chandelier makes lots of bids......to see if real money will jump in and get taken for a ride.....
And now BaT is removing anyone's comments, and there are many, who called this out for what it was. And lecturing us on how good they are, really?
I just got back to my desk. WTH? What I mean is knowing friends who got beat up by BaT to try and put low reserves on their cars BaT has a over 263K reserve on this car? Something doesn't add up as has been mentioned.
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 20, 2024, 01:35:20 PM
Agree with Bill - not real
Pete I think you just joined the club of flagged Bat users. LOL
The golden wisdom of the Coralsnake lost forever
Very odd auction. I was wondering as to the fate since that YouTube video dropped years ago. Now sadly I know, sitting and going downhill. Real shame.
I was flagged when I brought up the rust in the interior/ swing pedal arms, seat belt attachment and all the way up to the carb linkage, I was concerned about submerging. BAT. Never shows your flagger. A friend was interested in it. As for the money I've seen the Coke machine get bids at auctions . A real money bidder here??? What's my experience show . Suspicious. The GT350 I sold was collision and rust free, engine matching with original oxide on the flooring. BAT would only take it at a 129k reserve, sold for 166 .how this one got a RNM at this number is fishy to me. The salesman / seller could sell ice to eskimos . This auction tarnished my confidence in BAT. Thoughts from any of my fellow experts?
this adventure surely is not over, the saga of the "last one" will continue...
Quote from: cob4ra on February 20, 2024, 03:39:18 PM
I was flagged when I brought up the rust in the interior/ swing pedal arms, seat belt attachment and all the way up to the carb linkage, I was concerned about submerging. BAT. Never shows your flagger. A friend was interested in it. As for the money I've seen the Coke machine get bids at auctions . A real money bidder here??? What's my experience show . Suspicious. The GT350 I sold was collision and rust free, engine matching with original oxide on the flooring. BAT would only take it at a 129k reserve, sold for 166 .how this one got a RNM at this number is fishy to me. The salesman / seller could sell ice to eskimos . This auction tarnished my confidence in BAT. Thoughts from any of my fellow experts?
I couldn't agree with you more.
I'm totally suspect with this 66 auction.
It makes little sense IMO.
A couple years ago they encouraged me to use their auction however they decided on the reserve.
I could not agree with that.
Some 25 year old "expert" explaining to me what my cars are worth?
I did however purchase a 67 GT 350 from the site and everything went well.
The last stingray example was probably used as reference for the reserve. Whoever on the BaT auction side that worked with the seller seems like they were easily persuaded.
I have sold 2 cars and bought 2 cars on BaT over the last 2 years or so. This auction makes me very suspicious of what is going on at BaT. It really looks bad for them, and they seem to be in denial about it all, lashing out at anyone who questions the process here.
Just my 2 cents,
I can't say if all the bidding was real but I do believe some of the money was scared away
by the negative comments. First the tag controversy, the seller stated it was likely a repro.
I tend to agree with him,. Even though the stories trying to match the evidence could not be proven.
Next the engine... is it rebuildable? or cracked or bored to the max already who knows. last but not least is
the varied estimates of restoration costs. Not a car for me. All the discussion was good at least the bidders
should have been pretty aware of what they were bidding on. There are a few really good 66 shelby experts
beyond me on here and there should be more interesting reading.
Dave
So appears this auction was used to try to set the 'floor' for the car......so now on to the next one......Amelia maybe?
Quote from: cob4ra on February 20, 2024, 03:39:18 PM
I was flagged when I brought up the rust in the interior/ swing pedal arms, seat belt attachment and all the way up to the carb linkage, I was concerned about submerging. BAT. Never shows your flagger. A friend was interested in it. As for the money I've seen the Coke machine get bids at auctions . A real money bidder here??? What's my experience show . Suspicious. The GT350 I sold was collision and rust free, engine matching with original oxide on the flooring. BAT would only take it at a 129k reserve, sold for 166 .how this one got a RNM at this number is fishy to me. The salesman / seller could sell ice to eskimos . This auction tarnished my confidence in BAT. Thoughts from any of my fellow experts?
As a person who is a frequent BaT poster and watcher of many auctions other than Ford also I'm always looking at bidders, what they bought, etc. Mrs.Sofia is a real bidder with what appears to be deep pockets and bails out at 205K what a brand new Batter(Shaydog77Feb 2024) jumps to 236 then Dog battles it out with Slimmy who appears to be a real bidder up until 263 where the new guy-Dog-is the high bidder RNM. Now I look at slimmy's past auction wins and bids there is no reason not to think he is not a real buyer but people know people in the car circles. End of the day I'd like to see where BaT can explain to you a 129K reserve when this car got a 264K or higher reserve. Sad day I think for BaT but at the end of the day I always say bid what you are willing to pay. Don't get caught up in the hype or your manhood and assume there are fake bidders bidding you up whether it is a reserve or no reserve auction.
What I would like to say to so many bat posters on this 66 is "For all you people who think all bids are real and a final bid of 263K means someone was really wanting to buy it for that well I got a 66 clapped out GT350 I'll sell you for 264K...." Why do so many think all bids are real? That the market has been set? A good friend of mine who lived in Az for a long time and brought collections to the Jan auctions and even cover cars for the catalogs once told me at times on the no reserve auctions 20 percent of the cars could end up going back to the owner. They rather pay the auction fees then let a car go too cheap(not the right bidders at the time). Do you auction experts agree with that statement. BTW it was made over a decade ago to me. So the next question is for all those reading this how many of you would have paid over 150K for this car if you had the chance. How many? I would really like to know as I am not an expert on 66s but don't value the last car of a model year when the car is still being made in it's next model year form.
BaT, ever since it got bought by Hearst Auto Group (2020) has changed a lot from a reserve standpoint. Like many others have said, the reserve on this one made no sense.
Prior to the Hearst acquisition they were much more open to the sellers requested reserve or at least open to a discussion with supporting info why you felt your reserve was in line.
It's much much more about the bottom line now. They will flat out tell you they won't list your car unless you do No Reserve OR you need to go with their reserve...which is usually much lower than what you'd like. They want the cars to sell so they make their 5%. I was shocked when I was RNM on this Shelby!
Quote from: stangman39 on February 21, 2024, 09:44:42 AM
BaT, ever since it got bought by Hearst Auto Group (2020) has changed a lot from a reserve standpoint. Like many others have said, the reserve on this one made no sense.
Prior to the Hearst acquisition they were much more open to the sellers requested reserve or at least open to a discussion with supporting info why you felt your reserve was in line.
It's much much more about the bottom line now. They will flat out tell you they won't list your car unless you do No Reserve OR you need to go with their reserve...which is usually much lower than what you'd like. They want the cars to sell so they make their 5%. I was shocked when I was RNM on this Shelby!
Well said, in the end a corporations owes a duty is to its stock holders
"It's all about those Benjamin's....cash money !"
Yes, I think the reserve that was set here is the truly suspicious part. The last car I sold on BaT, we had a real battle to get a reserve high enough, and even then I was not pleased and when the high bid came close, we were able to make a deal, and that was on a true one of one, fully restored, prize winning rare car. I was not in the market for a '66, as I wanted a '65, but I wouldn't have paid over $50K for this rust bucket, just too much money required to make it a good car, and not really rare IMO.
BTW, here is the last one I sold I was referring to:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-chevrolet-corvette-198/
I guess we will have to wait for the next to last one made to come along.
I've been active on BaT (not as active as shelbymann1970, he is like a celebrity there! :) ) but they have turned me off a bit in the last year or 2.
I know numerous instances (myself included) where the reserve they were stuck on was not close to what they owner/seller wanted and the owner ended up going to another auction venue and blew it outta the park! Ended up working out well for the seller but it makes BaT look bad.
I even shared some of those details with BaT and they never replied! As Bret said earlier, they think they know more than we do!
Quote from: stangman39 on February 21, 2024, 11:19:14 AM
I've been active on BaT (not as active as shelbymann1970, he is like a celebrity there! :) ) but they have turned me off a bit in the last year or 2.
I know numerous instances (myself included) where the reserve they were stuck on was not close to what they owner/seller wanted and the owner ended up going to another auction venue and blew it outta the park! Ended up working out well for the seller but it makes BaT look bad.
I even shared some of those details with BaT and they never replied! As Bret said earlier, they think they know more than we do!
I hope I'm not a celebrity there or anywhere. Bat doesn't like me. I tried posting twice this morning and they reviewed and didn't let me post on the 66. Too many times I get a "are you sure you want to do that"? Heck even when I haven't posted for a couple of days. I think I pissed off a few workers saying they do not know how to do writeups. They don't. I offered my services in the future. No response.
I was just joking. You are pretty well known on there tho
Quote from: stangman39 on February 21, 2024, 11:42:38 AM
I was just joking. You are pretty well known on there tho
Yeah, I know what you meant(smiley face) but I got some haters. I much rather fly under the radar but have met a lot of new friends thanks to BaT. Like I say I am still learning and there is a lot to learn. Those who really know me know I'm here for the hobby and not any self gratification like some accuse me of. I want the future generations to enjoy these cars like we do.
If I may add to the experiences associated with B.A.T.:
Two years ago, I was a bidder on a ...............Corvette :o, yeah I know, absolute blasphemy, but anyway, like most things there the price went beyond what I thought was acceptable, so I bowed out in the bidding process and the car "sold" to another. But then shortly thereafter I received an email from B.A.T. stating that the seller would accept the bid I had made; the curious thought was that I was actually third in line based on the bids; I guess he lost both of the other higher bidders (?) and was working his way down the list? :-\
Scott.
P.S. Oh yeah, I did buy the car. 8)
Quote from: pbf777 on February 21, 2024, 01:08:09 PM
If I may add to the experiences associated with B.A.T.:
Two years ago, I was a bidder on a ...............Corvette :o, yeah I know, absolute blasphemy, but anyway, like most things there the price went beyond what I thought was acceptable, so I bowed out in the bidding process and the car "sold" to another. But then shortly thereafter I received an email from B.A.T. stating that the seller would accept the bid I had made; the curious thought was that I was actually third in line based on the bids; I guess he lost both of the other higher bidders (?) and was working his way down the list? :-\
Scott.
P.S. Oh yeah, I did buy the car. 8)
So did they erase all of their bids down to yours and another who wasn't the part of the 3? To be clear aaa bids 20K you bid 21K BBB bids 22K CCC bids 23K you bid 24K and you 3 keep going back and forth until CCC wins it at 50K, BBB bowed out at 49K and you had bid 48K. Did you get the car at 48K or your 21K since the other 2 bidders were not real? I'm curious on how that would work.
I will never understand how someone could appreciate a Mustang but not a Camaro or Corvette. I love them all. Mopars included.
"Are you sure you want to do that?" comes up almost every time I post. And "BaT is reviewing your comment", too
Quote from: pbf777 on February 21, 2024, 01:08:09 PM
If I may add to the experiences associated with B.A.T.:
Two years ago, I was a bidder on a ...............Corvette :o, yeah I know, absolute blasphemy, but anyway, like most things there the price went beyond what I thought was acceptable, so I bowed out in the bidding process and the car "sold" to another. But then shortly thereafter I received an email from B.A.T. stating that the seller would accept the bid I had made; the curious thought was that I was actually third in line based on the bids; I guess he lost both of the other higher bidders (?) and was working his way down the list? :-\
Scott.
P.S. Oh yeah, I did buy the car. 8)
Since I own more Corvettes than Shelbys, no problem there at all, welcome to the club. I have heard of bidders backing out, 2 in a row in line is something I have not heard about before. But I guess if one has, 2 is possible as well.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 21, 2024, 01:20:13 PM
So did they erase all of their bids down to yours and another who wasn't the part of the 3?
I understand your inquiry, and while such a scenario might have been nice(er), I took the follow up dialogue as: "I'll accept what you offered, if that agrees with you"; which I felt was quite a reasonable offer (note that I have been accused of squeaking while I'm walking before ::) ) and anything less even I would have felt badly of. :)
Scott.
Quote from: pbf777 on February 21, 2024, 04:18:37 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 21, 2024, 01:20:13 PM
So did they erase all of their bids down to yours and another who wasn't the part of the 3?
I understand your inquiry, and while such a scenario might have been nice(er), I took the follow up dialogue as: "I'll accept what you offered, if that agrees with you"; which I felt was quite a reasonable offer (note that I have been accused of squeaking while I'm walking before ::) ) and anything less even I would have felt badly of. :)
Scott.
That falls under what I have said before-bid what you are willing to pay for a car because you don't know who is really bidding against you. Congrats on getting for a price you liked.
Quote from: pbf777 on February 21, 2024, 01:08:09 PM
If I may add to the experiences associated with B.A.T.:
Two years ago, I was a bidder on a ...............Corvette :o, yeah I know, absolute blasphemy, but anyway, like most things there the price went beyond what I thought was acceptable, so I bowed out in the bidding process and the car "sold" to another. But then shortly thereafter I received an email from B.A.T. stating that the seller would accept the bid I had made; the curious thought was that I was actually third in line based on the bids; I guess he lost both of the other higher bidders (?) and was working his way down the list? :-\
Scott.
P.S. Oh yeah, I did buy the car. 8)
Thanks for sharing this...
It's rather revealing
Quote from: KR Convertible on February 21, 2024, 01:45:22 PM
"Are you sure you want to do that?" comes up almost every time I post. And "BaT is reviewing your comment", too
The "Reviewing your comment" usually comes right after a RNM auction. Sometimes right away sometimes a little while later. On that 66 I posted 3 comment during the day and they didn't post any of them while they posted many others from other users. They censor the comments. If a car sells they do not review the comments but once-and only once-I had a day where they were reviewing my comments all day long on different auctions. I've called BaT out on some of this and of course other users never saw it because it was a comment directed at BaT they were definitely not going to post. I've been flagged once and what I was flagged for was a joke. It was definitely the seller who flagged me and he is a high end seller who sells a lot of cars on BaT. It was about the darkness of his pics didn't show what most buyers would want to see detail wise. They are "frameable" types of pics. But what buyer wants fluff pics? They want to see the warts not have them hidden by professional photography.
Yes, they censor and must have some AI algorithms to spot objectionable words. I mentioned in the thread here about a special color '68 about how I quoted an old movie line with the word "Democrat" in it, and they rejected it and didn't publish it.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 22, 2024, 07:12:01 AM
Quote from: KR Convertible on February 21, 2024, 01:45:22 PM
"Are you sure you want to do that?" comes up almost every time I post. And "BaT is reviewing your comment", too
The "Reviewing your comment" usually comes right after a RNM auction. Sometimes right away sometimes a little while later. On that 66 I posted 3 comment during the day and they didn't post any of them while they posted many others from other users. They censor the comments. If a car sells they do not review the comments but once-and only once-I had a day where they were reviewing my comments all day long on different auctions. I've called BaT out on some of this and of course other users never saw it because it was a comment directed at BaT they were definitely not going to post. I've been flagged once and what I was flagged for was a joke. It was definitely the seller who flagged me and he is a high end seller who sells a lot of cars on BaT. It was about the darkness of his pics didn't show what most buyers would want to see detail wise. They are "frameable" types of pics. But what buyer wants fluff pics? They want to see the warts not have them hidden by professional photography.
They have an algorithm called trolltrace now, you must be on that list.
Quote from: 427hunter on February 22, 2024, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 22, 2024, 07:12:01 AM
Quote from: KR Convertible on February 21, 2024, 01:45:22 PM
"Are you sure you want to do that?" comes up almost every time I post. And "BaT is reviewing your comment", too
The "Reviewing your comment" usually comes right after a RNM auction. Sometimes right away sometimes a little while later. On that 66 I posted 3 comment during the day and they didn't post any of them while they posted many others from other users. They censor the comments. If a car sells they do not review the comments but once-and only once-I had a day where they were reviewing my comments all day long on different auctions. I've called BaT out on some of this and of course other users never saw it because it was a comment directed at BaT they were definitely not going to post. I've been flagged once and what I was flagged for was a joke. It was definitely the seller who flagged me and he is a high end seller who sells a lot of cars on BaT. It was about the darkness of his pics didn't show what most buyers would want to see detail wise. They are "frameable" types of pics. But what buyer wants fluff pics? They want to see the warts not have them hidden by professional photography.
They have an algorithm called trolltrace now, you must be on that list.
Hey guy with 2 first names I'm adding you to my ignore list like so many others have. You add zero to conversation and attack people. You are a sad little man. If they had troll trace on here you and your little buddy Antonio would be gone. LOL
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 22, 2024, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: 427hunter on February 22, 2024, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 22, 2024, 07:12:01 AM
Quote from: KR Convertible on February 21, 2024, 01:45:22 PM
"Are you sure you want to do that?" comes up almost every time I post. And "BaT is reviewing your comment", too
The "Reviewing your comment" usually comes right after a RNM auction. Sometimes right away sometimes a little while later. On that 66 I posted 3 comment during the day and they didn't post any of them while they posted many others from other users. They censor the comments. If a car sells they do not review the comments but once-and only once-I had a day where they were reviewing my comments all day long on different auctions. I've called BaT out on some of this and of course other users never saw it because it was a comment directed at BaT they were definitely not going to post. I've been flagged once and what I was flagged for was a joke. It was definitely the seller who flagged me and he is a high end seller who sells a lot of cars on BaT. It was about the darkness of his pics didn't show what most buyers would want to see detail wise. They are "frameable" types of pics. But what buyer wants fluff pics? They want to see the warts not have them hidden by professional photography.
They have an algorithm called trolltrace now, you must be on that list.
Hey guy with 2 first names I'm adding you to my ignore list like so many others have. You add zero to conversation and attack people. You are a sad little man. If they had troll trace on here you and your little buddy Antonio would be gone. LOL
Two first names? As usual I think you are confused but still dead set on sharing an opinion as a fact.
Very interesting what is happening to me now on BaT. For years my comments when right to being published, and now after my comments on this auction, all are now being reviewed by the staff and held.
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 25, 2024, 02:03:49 PM
Very interesting what is happening to me now on BaT. For years my comments when right to being published, and now after my comments on this auction, all are now being reviewed by the staff and held.
Well maybe you are a troll like me? LOL. Of course you are not a troll nor am I like some would suggest as they have no clue what a troll is but the irony they are trolling when they are attacking here. It is hit or miss on the reviewing. I posted on a Corvette auction(black 67) and it posted right away even on the RNM.
Its on Ebay now.......
https://www.ebay.com/itm/166619103449?itmmeta=01HQP7M9DXPVRF2AZNY44YBHG9&hash=item26cb45c0d9:g:k8QAAOSwQ4Nl3jJU&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwE0EqirMJmo6tBFXmXERUyPl7IKgUtmQHuJartjpO9EXookWynfYVIsVle8M2EBPaExoM203kIFlm2gZOxB4xUeVGrRQLLtDMx73cvooKqSPaYneF3HbbjSri38Aewzuyn%2BKtEcTtVaIrzCEqvBhDIHK6ZUR%2BGfnP8Pb5FIzajiLWgmMb20S0eTLLjI6TwHh%2BV7mW2U%2FDosrNxRYSXlVMQbd8gmtULXgolPyOfjkA147jvDOGmhbzltb3zfi8ALsyw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4iX0ce9Yw
Looks like they cleaned it up a little bit. Washed the exterior and wiped down the interior-
For the record when the eBay auction link expires.
Cory
Auction Description:
This 1966 Shelby GT-350 Fastback is the "LAST" Production 1st Generation Body Style "BUILT, SOLD and SHIPPED" by Shelby American, Inc.This car was purchased 12 years ago from the 2nd owner. It sat in his garage un-driven since the early 80's. It has remained in the same "As Found" condition until the time of this listing in which exterior and interior have been carefully cleaned with soap and water to remove dust and dirt. The original exterior color from new is Sapphire Blue with Stripe delete. The 2nd owner painted it white. Exterior pictures show the overall rust free panels and lower rockers. Body is very solid with no rust through. Undercarriage pictures show some surface rust.
It retains the original factory installed Drivetrain including 289cu HiPo V8, 4 Spd Manual Transmission and Rear Axle. The black Vinyl Interior is original and in very good condition with no signs of wear. No attempt has been made to get the motor running to prevent damage to original drivetrain. However, a video showing the crank pulley turning easily by hand proves that motor is not locked.
All numbers have been verified by the Shelby Registry including the original Ford Vin # matching to this assigned Shelby Vin #. All Shelby Documents and copy of 2nd owner Title are included with the sale.
This Shelby was recently listed on another online auction in which reserve was not met. It was presented in its "AS FOUND" condition including all the dust and dirt. It did not meet the target reserve price set.
My concept on this sale is simple, the buyer gets to step into my shoes and buy what I found 12 years ago, the way I found it. The buyer gets to choose what they do to it, how they do it and where they have it done. The only difference with this listing and the previous listing is it's cleaned up so that all the concerns over rust and corrosion can be put to rest.
whooo doggie what a nice exterior clean up job !
Would love to see this car in person
Don't forget the bottom line quote on the eBay listing-
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to own a significant car built by the iconic Carroll Shelby during the period he was in control of Shelby American. During the previous Auction, between the educated commenters and speculation of what this cars actual perceived value in the current "As Found" condition, was $500,000.00. That half million dollar value was based on the car prior to clean up this week which now confirms the overall outstanding condition of the metal.
...and the idiot put the "engine number" (which is frowned upon here) in the description and even screwed that up!
Well ought to be a 25 percent deduction for washing off the Barn Find dust
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 28, 2024, 07:39:36 AM
BaT won't let anyone post on the car's auction now. Try and post and nothing happens. I think they are embarrassed by what transpired. With a price of 363K RNM on BaT and now 350K OBO on Ebay it would appear the bids on BaT were suspect? If not then why not take the 363K as it costs the owner NOTHING even to accept it. It is what it is or so it appears.
It appears the high bid (if it was legitimate) was $263,000.
Quote from: owenkelley on February 28, 2024, 07:59:17 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 28, 2024, 07:39:36 AM
It appears the high bid (if it was legitimate) was $263,000.
yep, too early and had not drunk my coffee yet. Deleted my post. Even a real bidder on the car "MrsSofia" made a comment about some bidders.
I have no idea where the last real money bid was on that car. I suspect the ones over $150K or so were shills.
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 28, 2024, 12:02:40 PM
I have no idea where the last real money bid was on that car. I suspect the ones over $150K or so were shills.
I'd like to think MrsSofia (205K) might have been by that buyer's history and their comment( " It was a complete shame that's why its not sold... who jumps up 30k with zero buys.") but if it was it was a bid the seller should have been real happy with it.
Now with the car cleaned up you can really see the work it needs.
My car is a little dusty, so I do need to find out who his auto detailer is so
I can raise my cars value 100K
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 28, 2024, 12:11:15 PM
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 28, 2024, 12:02:40 PM
I have no idea where the last real money bid was on that car. I suspect the ones over $150K or so were shills.
I'd like to think MrsSofia (205K) might have been by that buyer's history and their comment( " It was a complete shame that's why its not sold... who jumps up 30k with zero buys.") but if it was it was a bid the seller should have been real happy with it.
If it were me, I would have been thrilled with anything in 6 figures.
Still on EBay, wonder where is it heading?
Now listed with Mecum for the Indy auction in a couple weeks -
https://www.mecum.com/lots/1119783/1966-shelby-gt350-fastback/?aa_id=587184-0 (https://www.mecum.com/lots/1119783/1966-shelby-gt350-fastback/?aa_id=587184-0)
I guess he will have to push it across the block unless he spends the time and money
to have it go under its own power at least. might get a few bucks more for it.
I would say anyone that would be interested in this car will have already seen it for sale on the various platforms. My thought is, unless it is auctioned at no reserve, it will be going home with him. Or, there are at least two bidders that have consumed several adult beverages and say "what the heck" and buy the car.
Will be an interesting one to watch. I would if possible try get it running.
Agree that based on its previous BAT and eBay listing it will have a quite high reserve.