6S1172
Link to BAT - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-shelby-mustang-hertz-gt350h-13/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-shelby-mustang-hertz-gt350h-13/)
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Description:
This 1966 Shelby Mustang GT350H is said to be one of 57 examples for the model year finished in Sapphire Blue and was delivered new to Larsen Ford in White Plains, New York on March 4, 1966, for dealer prep prior to delivery to Hertz Corporation. Power is provided by a replacement 289ci HiPo V8 paired with a Tremec TKO five-speed manual transmission. Features include a four-barrel carburetor, dual-outlet exhaust, hood and side scoops, hood pins, 14″ Magnum 500-style wheels, front disc brakes, Koni shock absorbers, a dash-mounted tachometer, a Hurst shifter, latch-and-link harnesses for both occupants, black upholstery, and a push-button AM radio. The car was acquired by the owner and relocated to Arizona in 2017. This GT350H is offered on dealership consignment in Florida with a spare automatic transmission, partial service records, SAAC registry documentation, and a clean Arizona title.
The car is said to have been repainted in the factory Sapphire Blue with gold stripes during the 1980s. Features include chrome bumpers, a steel hood with a scoop, quarter windows, and side scoops.
Chrome-finished 14″ Magnum 500-style wheels wear Hertz "Sports Car Club" center caps and are mounted with 205/70 BFGoodrich Radial T/A white letter tires. Braking is provided by front discs and rear drums.
The cockpit features front bucket seats trimmed in black vinyl with pleated cloth inserts and a fold-down rear bench. A Ford-branded AM radio is mounted in the center of the dashboard along with a competition brake warning sticker, latch-and-link harnesses for both occupants, and crank windows.
The wood three-spoke steering wheel frames a 140-mph speedometer, auxiliary gauges, and a Shelby-branded 8k-rpm tachometer. The five-digit odometer shows 61k miles, approximately 100 miles have been added under current ownership.
The replacement 289ci V8 breathes through a four-barrel carburetor, and the engine bay is fitted with an export brace and a cross bar.
Power is delivered to the wheels through a Tremec TKO five-speed manual transmission and a 9″ rear axle. The removed C4 automatic transmission is included in the sale. Corrosion is visible on underbody components.
An excerpt from the SAAC registry is pictured above and outlines history of chassis 6S1172 from 1966 through 2008 ownership.
Blue Hertz. Great color.
This car was previously a no sale with high bid of $155,000 earlier this year at Mecum.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0121-447457/1966-shelby-gt350h-fastback/
Nice car. Great colour. Will watch it and see
Repo tag
Tag appears replacement. A good attempt but no cigar. Lets hope they never get it right.
PICs 180 and 175 reveals the Ford Vin of the car from a SAAC letter to a PO in 1994.
I've always liked the sapphire blue/white cars. The sapphire/gold does present well however. Think this guy's in a tough spot... It's not all that original to command the big $$$ nor is it all that well restored to either... Plus the mods he's done. No doubt appealing, but not 'right' either..all personal preference. Wish him all the best...
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on November 09, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
I've always liked the sapphire blue/white cars. The sapphire/gold does present well however. Think this guy's in a tough spot... It's not all that original to command the big $$$ nor is it all that well restored to either... Plus the mods he's done. No doubt appealing, but not 'right' either..all personal preference. Wish him all the best...
I know for a fact of at least 2 very strong sales on BaT recently where the buyers knew nothing about the cars. They wanted them. One was not going to lose the auction even thuogh it was recommended at 90K he wouldn't be hurt on the CJ Mach1 and won it at 147K. The other was a rare black SCJ 70 sportsroof. The buyer knew nothing about the car. Lives abroad and will have it restored before he comes back to the states regardless of the cost. So it doesn't matter how well in many cases how a car was restored or if it needs one. There are buyers out there flush with cash and do not care the end cost. Gary
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on November 09, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
I've always liked the sapphire blue/white cars. The sapphire/gold does present well however. Think this guy's in a tough spot... It's not all that original to command the big $$$ nor is it all that well restored to either... Plus the mods he's done. No doubt appealing, but not 'right' either..all personal preference. Wish him all the best...
+1
Seems a lot of cars like this are run through auctions, but some additional work and detailing could make them much more presentable. Someone knowledgeable with the cars could spend a couple weeks with it and really improve the overall appearance. It doesn't have to be concours level work, but getting rid of aftermarket parts, cleaning/detailing parts to look right would go a long way.
Quote from: Britton on November 08, 2021, 11:08:26 PM
This car was previously a no sale with high bid of $155,000 earlier this year at Mecum.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0121-447457/1966-shelby-gt350h-fastback/
Should have taken it then at 155
Gary, you are right. I've seen those same auctions and scratch my head. That's certainly not me but I do see a lot of that. Works great for the seller I guess.
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on November 09, 2021, 09:22:25 PM
Gary, you are right. I've seen those same auctions and scratch my head. That's certainly not me but I do see a lot of that. Works great for the seller I guess.
If I had a driver quality car with many incorrect parts on it and it looked great in pics I would not hesitate to put it on BaT. The most over used term there by the peanut gallery is "stunning car!". Then I see pits in the inner fender sheet metal, rust, dirt, grime on the underside and in some cases looks painted over. I just SMH on those comments. Sometimes on a nice looking driver I'll comment "nice driver". Very few cars on there I have or would have called a stunning car and I'm not talking about the Ford GTs but 60s-70s muscle. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 09, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on November 09, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
I've always liked the sapphire blue/white cars. The sapphire/gold does present well however. Think this guy's in a tough spot... It's not all that original to command the big $$$ nor is it all that well restored to either... Plus the mods he's done. No doubt appealing, but not 'right' either..all personal preference. Wish him all the best...
I know for a fact of at least 2 very strong sales on BaT recently where the buyers knew nothing about the cars. They wanted them. One was not going to lose the auction even thuogh it was recommended at 90K he wouldn't be hurt on the CJ Mach1 and won it at 147K. The other was a rare black SCJ 70 sportsroof. The buyer knew nothing about the car. Lives abroad and will have it restored before he comes back to the states regardless of the cost. So it doesn't matter how well in many cases how a car was restored or if it needs one. There are buyers out there flush with cash and do not care the end cost. Gary
It's the "nouveau riche" that cause the rise in prices but then again I go way back and it was the "knowing" that talked me out of a 427 Cobra because they would never be worth more then 25 or 30 thousand and it was a lousy car to begin with?
Then there was this red Mangusta that was freshly restored and was $25 thousand then. Try $400 thousand now.
So in reality, you need to "beware of false profits" and be cautious on listening to the "experts"? ;)
In the end if you have the money you need to go with your own "gut".
So what if you are damned for it? After all, "only the good die young?"
Gary & ShelbyDoug... Agree. Another thought is a skilled automotive entrepreneur could go after the car, take the non-OEM parts off, sell those in a separate venue, make some $, then put the car back to a more original shape clean-up/detail the engine bay & underside and interior and pull another 30K+ out of it.. Maybe do ok...& use the 'hope' of the peanut gallery or perhaps CaptianMyCaptain if they were so lucky.
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 10, 2021, 09:03:31 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 09, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on November 09, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
I've always liked the sapphire blue/white cars. The sapphire/gold does present well however. Think this guy's in a tough spot... It's not all that original to command the big $$$ nor is it all that well restored to either... Plus the mods he's done. No doubt appealing, but not 'right' either..all personal preference. Wish him all the best...
I know for a fact of at least 2 very strong sales on BaT recently where the buyers knew nothing about the cars. They wanted them. One was not going to lose the auction even thuogh it was recommended at 90K he wouldn't be hurt on the CJ Mach1 and won it at 147K. The other was a rare black SCJ 70 sportsroof. The buyer knew nothing about the car. Lives abroad and will have it restored before he comes back to the states regardless of the cost. So it doesn't matter how well in many cases how a car was restored or if it needs one. There are buyers out there flush with cash and do not care the end cost. Gary
It's the "nouveau riche" that cause the rise in prices but then again I go way back and it was the "knowing" that talked me out of a 427 Cobra because they would never be worth more then 25 or 30 thousand and it was a lousy car to begin with?
Then there was this red Mangusta that was freshly restored and was $25 thousand then. Try $400 thousand now.
So in reality, you need to "beware of false profits" and be cautious on listening to the "experts"? ;)
Back when DeLoreans were new and I was just out of HS my uncle asked if he should buy a DeLorean and put it away as an investment. I told him to buy a 427 Cobra and put it away(think they were around 30K then?). He bought neither. Fast forward to the late 90s before he died and he said he should have listened to me. I would have bought one but I was always "behind" as they escalated and could never afford one. So I bought my Vert instead. I'm not saying hte cars mentioned above will not escalate but unlike your examples ,Doug, they are not rare to the point that if passed up you couldn't find another one similar at a better price today. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 10, 2021, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 10, 2021, 09:03:31 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 09, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on November 09, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
I've always liked the sapphire blue/white cars. The sapphire/gold does present well however. Think this guy's in a tough spot... It's not all that original to command the big $$$ nor is it all that well restored to either... Plus the mods he's done. No doubt appealing, but not 'right' either..all personal preference. Wish him all the best...
I know for a fact of at least 2 very strong sales on BaT recently where the buyers knew nothing about the cars. They wanted them. One was not going to lose the auction even thuogh it was recommended at 90K he wouldn't be hurt on the CJ Mach1 and won it at 147K. The other was a rare black SCJ 70 sportsroof. The buyer knew nothing about the car. Lives abroad and will have it restored before he comes back to the states regardless of the cost. So it doesn't matter how well in many cases how a car was restored or if it needs one. There are buyers out there flush with cash and do not care the end cost. Gary
It's the "nouveau riche" that cause the rise in prices but then again I go way back and it was the "knowing" that talked me out of a 427 Cobra because they would never be worth more then 25 or 30 thousand and it was a lousy car to begin with?
Then there was this red Mangusta that was freshly restored and was $25 thousand then. Try $400 thousand now.
So in reality, you need to "beware of false profits" and be cautious on listening to the "experts"? ;)
Back when DeLoreans were new and I was just out of HS my uncle asked if he should buy a DeLorean and put it away as an investment. I told him to buy a 427 Cobra and put it away(think they were around 30K then?). He bought neither. Fast forward to the late 90s before he died and he said he should have listened to me. I would have bought one but I was always "behind" as they escalated and could never afford one. So I bought my Vert instead. I'm not saying hte cars mentioned above will not escalate but unlike your examples ,Doug, they are not rare to the point that if passed up you couldn't find another one similar at a better price today. Gary
You can find another Cobra but if you have to ask, then you can't afford it.
The point is it isn't the "knowing" that are "controlling" the market. It's the "newbies" that have got some money, AND as advised on Cobras, the higher they go, the better the investment they are. So?
This isn't a Cobra but much of the dynamics at play are similar.
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 10, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 10, 2021, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 10, 2021, 09:03:31 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 09, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on November 09, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
I've always liked the sapphire blue/white cars. The sapphire/gold does present well however. Think this guy's in a tough spot... It's not all that original to command the big $$$ nor is it all that well restored to either... Plus the mods he's done. No doubt appealing, but not 'right' either..all personal preference. Wish him all the best...
I know for a fact of at least 2 very strong sales on BaT recently where the buyers knew nothing about the cars. They wanted them. One was not going to lose the auction even thuogh it was recommended at 90K he wouldn't be hurt on the CJ Mach1 and won it at 147K. The other was a rare black SCJ 70 sportsroof. The buyer knew nothing about the car. Lives abroad and will have it restored before he comes back to the states regardless of the cost. So it doesn't matter how well in many cases how a car was restored or if it needs one. There are buyers out there flush with cash and do not care the end cost. Gary
It's the "nouveau riche" that cause the rise in prices but then again I go way back and it was the "knowing" that talked me out of a 427 Cobra because they would never be worth more then 25 or 30 thousand and it was a lousy car to begin with?
Then there was this red Mangusta that was freshly restored and was $25 thousand then. Try $400 thousand now.
So in reality, you need to "beware of false profits" and be cautious on listening to the "experts"? ;)
Back when DeLoreans were new and I was just out of HS my uncle asked if he should buy a DeLorean and put it away as an investment. I told him to buy a 427 Cobra and put it away(think they were around 30K then?). He bought neither. Fast forward to the late 90s before he died and he said he should have listened to me. I would have bought one but I was always "behind" as they escalated and could never afford one. So I bought my Vert instead. I'm not saying hte cars mentioned above will not escalate but unlike your examples ,Doug, they are not rare to the point that if passed up you couldn't find another one similar at a better price today. Gary
You can find another Cobra but if you have to ask, then you can't afford it.
The point is it isn't the "knowing" that are "controlling" the market. It's the "newbies" that have got some money, AND as advised on Cobras, the higher they go, the better the investment they are. So?
This isn't a Cobra but much of the dynamics at play are similar.
like I said about the cars: they made 200 Cobras but 12K 69 428 CJ MUstangs. You are real likely to find another in a more realistic price than trying to find such a variance in one of the 200 Cobras pricewise. Guy paid 147K for a 69 R-code non SCJ 4 speed Mach1. You could find the same condition car for much less.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 10, 2021, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 10, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 10, 2021, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 10, 2021, 09:03:31 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 09, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on November 09, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
I've always liked the sapphire blue/white cars. The sapphire/gold does present well however. Think this guy's in a tough spot... It's not all that original to command the big $$$ nor is it all that well restored to either... Plus the mods he's done. No doubt appealing, but not 'right' either..all personal preference. Wish him all the best...
I know for a fact of at least 2 very strong sales on BaT recently where the buyers knew nothing about the cars. They wanted them. One was not going to lose the auction even thuogh it was recommended at 90K he wouldn't be hurt on the CJ Mach1 and won it at 147K. The other was a rare black SCJ 70 sportsroof. The buyer knew nothing about the car. Lives abroad and will have it restored before he comes back to the states regardless of the cost. So it doesn't matter how well in many cases how a car was restored or if it needs one. There are buyers out there flush with cash and do not care the end cost. Gary
It's the "nouveau riche" that cause the rise in prices but then again I go way back and it was the "knowing" that talked me out of a 427 Cobra because they would never be worth more then 25 or 30 thousand and it was a lousy car to begin with?
Then there was this red Mangusta that was freshly restored and was $25 thousand then. Try $400 thousand now.
So in reality, you need to "beware of false profits" and be cautious on listening to the "experts"? ;)
Back when DeLoreans were new and I was just out of HS my uncle asked if he should buy a DeLorean and put it away as an investment. I told him to buy a 427 Cobra and put it away(think they were around 30K then?). He bought neither. Fast forward to the late 90s before he died and he said he should have listened to me. I would have bought one but I was always "behind" as they escalated and could never afford one. So I bought my Vert instead. I'm not saying hte cars mentioned above will not escalate but unlike your examples ,Doug, they are not rare to the point that if passed up you couldn't find another one similar at a better price today. Gary
You can find another Cobra but if you have to ask, then you can't afford it.
The point is it isn't the "knowing" that are "controlling" the market. It's the "newbies" that have got some money, AND as advised on Cobras, the higher they go, the better the investment they are. So?
This isn't a Cobra but much of the dynamics at play are similar.
like I said about the cars: they made 200 Cobras but 12K 69 428 CJ MUstangs. You are real likely to find another in a more realistic price than trying to find such a variance in one of the 200 Cobras pricewise. Guy paid 147K for a 69 R-code non SCJ 4 speed Mach1. You could find the same condition car for much less.
I'm not looking to qualify anyone here or for that matter anywhere. I'm just trying to get a grasp of what is going on at this moment.
You are not the nouveau riche that want it now Gary. Someone else likely is.
There is a considerable argument for not waiting for next year and living for today.
At some point, some prophet will be correct and there will be no tomorrow. Long shots do come in.
By the same token I am reminded that a sure sign of getting old is to have dreams replaced by regrets.
Just a question, but what if you buy something from BAT, and after all the "glamour shots" (remember that business?), you get the car and it is nothing but bondo and pits in the paint and on the car, but with their expert photography it looked great and you trusted what was said about the car???? Do you have recourse? Can you get some money back? What is the percentage of sales that go through? Unlike our re-list-ville place, ebay???
Disclaimer:
Don't read the above and say "What a stupid idiot for not getting a reliable PPI!" Remember, "In God we trust, all others we monitor." HIS Security
Quote from: 67 GT350 on November 10, 2021, 11:00:51 AM
Just a question, but what if you buy something from BAT, and after all the "glamour shots" (remember that business?), you get the car and it is nothing but bondo and pits in the paint and on the car, but with their expert photography it looked great and you trusted what was said about the car???? Do you have recourse? Can you get some money back? What is the percentage of sales that go through? Unlike our re-list-ville place, ebay???
Disclaimer:
Don't read the above and say "What a stupid idiot for not getting a reliable PPI!" Remember, "In God we trust, all others we monitor." HIS Security
There are sales that do not go through on BaT. The bidder though is out 5 percent max 5K. My guess is some decided to cut their losses on a car. I am careful on what I say on the auctions. One thing is I saw a 69 CJ car where it appeared to be freshly stripped on a rotisserie in some low resolution pics. You could plainly see rust free original floors and shell. The finished car had 65-68 incorrect floor pans in it. I contacted the seller and i got the standard answer" I bought it the way you see it so if pans were replaced it was before I got the car". Deniability. To the untrained eye it would appear you were buying a numbers matching rust free 69 CJ Mach1. But to me my first thought was the pics shown of the car on the rotisserie was NOT the car in the auction. Maybe the seller was duped on that as well?
Another was the pastel gray 69 GT500. First off the seller alluded to mostly original paint and body. Well it had a 70 passengers door on it. other clues led me to be 99.999 percent sure a repaint. Buyers will pay more for an original car. This isn't the first "original" car people have bought on BaT that wasn't. So those who choose to buy a car on faith then you get what you get. Sometimes it is better than the seller said it was and sometimes it isn't.
Bid to $135,000.00 - Did not meet reserve.
Not a betting man but on this one I would wager (as the Beatles sang) that bid up to $135 was "with a little help from my friends "
Oh well vacation is now over, got to get back to "Relistville" USA
Quote from: silverton_ford on November 18, 2021, 02:19:49 PM
Bid to $135,000.00 - Did not meet reserve.
The 69 Grabber Blue GT350 sure felt that way.. Local bidders using their name, bidding up +25K... No warm fuzzies there. Lots of electrical gremlins disclosed on the final day in the last few hours...not a great look.