Looks like a missing in action car.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/335240264191?hash=item4e0de079ff:g:0q4AAOSwBABlsZDp&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABIHgP%2FE%2BipnIIZ2SPpHW1J1UWBxGZ7r1kaEVZMng%2BI38YP6OyojQwFsm3EzKaX8DaOEvQuHrblc4Tq9cVpYrx816ZTY%2BLyX%2FRHLyJwdYZ20ORYLhMYYS8oUq%2BEow9A4BezqK4VYxM0ULQBkN5S23G1ngEaZXfp9mi5mLJYGhALlYMSYHw72IdQk7Q3DIaW9y2E2CSXtCqCVAOfP%2FDnHn%2F4j0mh8%2Fv%2FQ3iSyIydXv8F9lriYWgoOwzT3gUOkbfS%2FfO4iHuETggadEndaR7GmpvU8zKxQfwOL7YjxqSO9F%2Bx07kr7ZbusA1MIugMpmd023ezmzRLM26hhjM29yf%2F1o%2B1Kvrpq28R2IASo76DRDvSmK7uVYVlJVa9dVmElneFlFdKw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5ielOCtYw
Cory
Description:
Sat in a garage in Chicago area since 1976 and hasn't been driven since 1974.
The original Ford VIN number was verified as 7R02Q213641 (stamped in the driver side fender apron) and as such was built at the San Jose plant. Shelby VIN numbers are stamped on the passenger side inner
fender. The Shelby number which the car's paperwork is registered with (this is normal) is 67400F5A03116. I drilled out one rivet on the fender plate to verify the Shelby ID (per instruction from Marcus Angel). The odometer mileage on the dash reads as 30,427 and is believed to be original since the car was originally titled in the
owner's name in 1976 and window sticker in the dash shows registration sticker of 1974. Its my understanding from the current family that the car was stored and not driven since this approximate time frame. This Shelby was originally sold thru Jack Loftus Ford in Hinsdale IL and was a later production Shelby having been released from Ford production in late June of 1967.
The engine itself is partially disassembled. The intake has been removed and the original parts were found in the trunk along with replacement lifters, push-rods, rocker arms and gaskets that appear to be intended for re-assembly. Radiator looks like it has been re-cored. Engine rolls over freely when turning the crankshaft with a 1/2" ratchet and socket on the front crank bolt. Alternator and power steering pump are laying on the front frame rails and still connected to the hoses and wiring. Many of the original parts are still with the car. The original rocker arms and push-rods were wrapped in newspaper dated 1977. There is an aftermarket coil and bracket and the under-hood wiring to the original coil has been modified to accommodate it. Some of the original under hood components are missing such as the washer bag and pump, original ignition coil and bracket, original battery and hold-down, back half of the exhaust, original shifter, shift boot and bezel, antenna(?) and original rear shocks. These are what I know are missing, If you don't see it in the pictures it is not included in the sale.
The car still carries its original Dark Moss green paint although it does have graffiti scratched into the top of the drivers side fender and door. The engine compartment has been spray painted blue and holes are cut in the shock towers (not sure why...see pics). The fiberglass hood is with the car but cracked and the hood hinges are missing. The hood has been fitted with locks on the firewall side (probably due to or because the hood hinges were removed). The right rear 1/4 panel has been repaired with a replacement panel...it appears to be a very professional repair...no bondo mess...spot welded...see pics for details. The paint is not original from the ledge on the right rear 1/4 panel and down beginning at the right rear door striker and back to the spoiler and rear bezel. Other areas have been touched up on the rear...see pics. It appears at one time the right rear shock came loose at the top and poked through the trunk...also has air shocks installed and a hole drilled for the air fitting in the trunk. The jack lift points on the sub-frame rails have been dented.
The Interior is largely intact with most of the original parts including the roll bar (minus the shoulder belts). Someone cut holes in the back trunk panel for speaker mounts. A mouse got into the headliner and chewed above the driver's visor and a hole on the passenger side above the seat. The seats are soft and supple and do not appear to have damage other than surface mold and some kind of glue on the plastic that peels off when I scratch it with my fingernail.
The underside appears to have been treated with some kind of undercoating and is preserved better in those areas. Has the original wheels and includes the spare tire and a jack that was in the trunk but no hold-down hardware or tire iron/wrench.
The locks and hinges on the doors and trunk work and I have the keys.
These project type cars don't seem to come a lot
For the right price this could be a great car for someone that could do most of the work themselves
Great colour and if the miles are genuine then it's a big win for lucky new owner
Will be interesting to see what it sells for
"If " the car market is going down
Grand Rapids is giving up the cars lately
Not a 67 tag guy, but that one looks interesting
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 03, 2024, 06:45:14 AM
Grand Rapids is giving up the cars lately
Not a 67 tag guy, but that one looks interesting
The tag is genuine. The stamping may seem a little different but nothing that sends up red flags IMO.
Thank you Mr Gaines
Blue inner fender?
Quote from: 557 on February 03, 2024, 09:45:13 PM
Blue inner fender?
Interesting that's what caught your eye. Yes, blue engine compartment. But that doesn't concern me much. It is this massive butchered hole in the shock towers that caught my attention. Ugh
Cory
Quote from: 6s1640 on February 03, 2024, 10:42:37 PM
Interesting that's what caught your eye. Yes, blue engine compartment. But that doesn't concern me much. It is this massive butchered hole in the shock towers that caught my attention. Ugh
Spark plug changing mod? ;D ;D
I'm not sure I would call that quarter panel replacement job a "very professional job". At least it was an NOS panel.
I would think the car would be kinda squirrely on the road with the shock towers weakened like that.
So it doesn't say "reserve not met" so it must be.
We had the 13,000 mile 1969 white boss 429 that seller is talking about that was sitting next to this shelby. We had it on display at my building when we had open house at our first indiana fall classic show. The car cleaned up and we got it running again and everything back on car to be a complete all original car and is now in the california all original once collection along with other original unrestored boss 429s. We needed a white car to try and get all colors of boss 429s and only need a 69 black jade and 70 grabber orange and 70 pastel yet to complete collection so if anybody knows of those colored boss 429s finders fees will be paid for unrestored cars only. thanks
Quote from: Special Ed on February 04, 2024, 09:35:38 AM
We had the 13,000 mile 1969 white boss 429 that seller is talking about that was sitting next to this shelby. We had it on display at my building when we had open house at our first indiana fall classic show. The car cleaned up and we got it running again and everything back on car to be a complete all original car and is now in the california all original once collection along with other original unrestored boss 429s. We needed a white car to try and get all colors of boss 429s and only need a 69 black jade and 70 grabber orange and 70 pastel yet to complete collection so if anybody knows of those colored boss 429s finders fees will be paid for unrestored cars only. thanks
Seraphim's black jade car is not for sale(same with the 71 Hemi) but is it considered a car worthy of that collection?
The seller just informed me they want to get paid in cash..
Good luck with that...
Kinda complicates things....
2 piece valve spring retainers on those cylinder heads.......GT390 heads originally had one piece retainers...?
Quote from: 6s1640 on February 03, 2024, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: 557 on February 03, 2024, 09:45:13 PM
Blue inner fender?
Interesting that's what caught your eye. Yes, blue engine compartment. But that doesn't concern me much. It is this massive butchered hole in the shock towers that caught my attention. Ugh
Cory
. It's all bad...
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on February 04, 2024, 01:09:50 PM
The seller just informed me they want to get paid in cash..
Good luck with that...
Kinda complicates things....
The other issue with the auction site now is that they are required to withhold 20% Federal Taxes of the final sale over a certain threshold. This will beat the threshold. At the end of the year, all sellers will get a 1099-K form with total sales. It will be then up to the seller, when filing their federal tax return, to reduce the capital gain with expenses (storage, heat, repairs, etc), commissions and original purchase price. If the seller is clever, there should be no net profit and zero taxes will be paid. They should then get a full refund of the 20%. But that means the Feds get to hold you money for nearly a year. So a cash deal might alleviate some of these issues.
Cory
Another reason to not sell on eBay, as if we needed one
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on February 04, 2024, 01:09:50 PM
The seller just informed me they want to get paid in cash..
Good luck with that...
Kinda complicates things....
A wire transfer is the same as cash to the seller but suspect he doesn't want a profit paper trail on the car.
wire transfer has a trail
Spoke with owner/seller this a.m.
He is very well-versed and in the know
He tells me that he has a guaranteed offer on the table for $150,000 cash so if the auction does not exceed that amount, he will be taking that person's standing cash in a bag offer
Quote from: stephen_becker on February 05, 2024, 10:14:17 AM
Spoke with owner/seller this a.m.
He is very well-versed and in the know
He tells me that he has a guaranteed offer on the table for $150,000 cash so if the auction does not exceed that amount, he will be taking that person's standing cash in a bag offer
Really? What happens if he lets the auction end and it ends at 115K say? He doesn't sell to the high bidder/winner(not a reserve auction) I'd think he could be sued. I do most of my work myself and I sure wouldn't pay 150K for that car with the butchered shock towers and needing a total resto. Am I off on these? So is the seller just full of crap? If he wanted 150K that should be his reserve. I don't see "reserve not met" on the high bid.
Great questions. No answers here. I would say that he's already violating eBay policy by demanding cash outside of the transactions, so why wouldn't anything else be up for debated that point?
But you're right it doesn't hit his hundred and $50,000 number and it's no reserve. What does he do?
Inquiry minds wanna know....... ;D
That rear quarter panel appears to me to be riveted on to the upper section of the original panel , showing no sign of a complete replacement quarter panel, which says it would have been some type of lap joint done, which means body filler would have to run the outer length of that joint, if I'm mistaken please point out if a different approach was used.
^ that is what I see as well. Certainly not "professional" in my book.
Quote from: rcgt350 on February 05, 2024, 10:35:17 AM
That rear quarter panel appears to me to be riveted on to the upper section of the original panel , showing no sign of a complete replacement quarter panel, which says it would have been some type of lap joint done, which means body filler would have to run the outer length of that joint, if I'm mistaken please point out if a different approach was used.
pop riveted into place then welded as witnessed by the burn marks at the overlap edges?
Quote from: stephen_becker on February 05, 2024, 10:14:17 AM
Spoke with owner/seller this a.m.
He is very well-versed and in the know
He tells me that he has a guaranteed offer on the table for $150,000 cash so if the auction does not exceed that amount, he will be taking that person's standing cash in a bag offer
Steve: This seller is putting himself in a bad position.
If someone truly offered him $150,000 in cash he'd be best to get a small deposit via paypal and then end the auction.
Then let the buyer show up with the $$$$..
If he doesn't end the auction, the high bidder is then informed after the bidding ends that the seller wants "cash".
What happens then if the guy is in Waco TX but is just told that Mr. Michigan wants cash for his purchase?
He has the $$$ but no way to get that $$$ to him.
Also, if the high bidder is sincere he's then told someone offered "more" so his bid isn't honored .
I should also point out in the Ebay advertisment it says "Payment: wire to my account"...
And I know my Shelby's.
If someone truly offered him $150,000 I suggest he makes the deal and ends the auction at once.
Just my .02
$150k in cash is like a $190k offer.
Better run with that, this car isnt that nice in my opinion
There seems to be certain level of dishonesty if hes not revealing the "I want to be paid in cash" to the eBay bidders
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 05, 2024, 12:00:36 PM
$150k in cash is like a $190k offer.
Better run with that, this car isnt that nice in my opinion
There seems to be certain level of dishonesty if hes not revealing the "I want to be paid in cash" to the eBay bidders
Pete: I understand in this environment that cash is a positive.
But the seller is putting himself in a bad position if a well meaning bidder is told AFTER the auction that the seller wants cash or he's not selling the car.
Or for that matter the high bidder is told there's another guy that wants the car for more $$$.
That's just not how it works.
He might open a can of worms with both Ebay and the IRS...
I think we are in agreement
I dont see a reserve price in the auction?
Incredible that a seller of this sort of car-in the world we live in today-could be so god damn stupid by going public with what should be and very easily could be confidential info. And then doing it on a public forum in full view of every governmental branch known to mankind. And flaunting the rules of Ebay all the while. I cry foul-it's a bunch of bs. Bret hit it spot on-if he truly has the 150k offer in cash, you end the auction and make the deal. Nice and quiet. No eyes and ears on the process. Ebay needs to step in and end the auction and let this guy flap in the wind...
He said he sold a BOSS 9 car to a guy in CA some time ago - Went into a survivor collection of all colors BOSS 9 cars -
Quote from: stephen_becker on February 05, 2024, 01:34:56 PM
He said he sold a BOSS 9 car to a guy in CA some time ago - Went into a survivor collection of all colors BOSS 9 cars -
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2024, 09:35:38 AM »
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We had the 13,000 mile 1969 white boss 429 that seller is talking about that was sitting next to this shelby. We had it on display at my building when we had open house at our first indiana fall classic show. The car cleaned up and we got it running again and everything back on car to be a complete all original car and is now in the california all original once collection along with other original unrestored boss 429s. We needed a white car to try and get all colors of boss 429s and only need a 69 black jade and 70 grabber orange and 70 pastel yet to complete collection so if anybody knows of those colored boss 429s finders fees will be paid for unrestored cars only. thanks
$150k in cash is a something that should of been taken, car needs some work
If anyone knows the market it is you Bret
Dicking around on eBay and then telling the high bidder you want cash is not very fair
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Quote from: stephen_becker on February 05, 2024, 10:14:17 AM
Spoke with owner/seller this a.m.
He is very well-versed and in the know
He tells me that he has a guaranteed offer on the table for $150,000 cash so if the auction does not exceed that amount, he will be taking that person's standing cash in a bag offer
Steve: This seller is putting himself in a bad position.
If someone truly offered him $150,000 in cash he'd be best to get a small deposit via paypal and then end the auction.
Then let the buyer show up with the $$$$..
If he doesn't end the auction, the high bidder is then informed after the bidding ends that the seller wants "cash".
What happens then if the guy is in Waco TX but is just told that Mr. Michigan wants cash for his purchase?
He has the $$$ but no way to get that $$$ to him.
Also, if the high bidder is sincere he's then told someone offered "more" so his bid isn't honored .
I should also point out in the Ebay advertisment it says "Payment: wire to my account"...
And I know my Shelby's.
If someone truly offered him $150,000 I suggest he makes the deal and ends the auction at once.
Just my .02
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Yes the boss 9 the seller was talking about went to california after we fixed and corrected it and it was a great survivor all original car that i had the missing original parts to make it complete smog etc. We bought car for well over 200 and more than the highest ebay bidder but it was a color needed for the collection and sometimes u gotta pay up if its a car u really want or need. A year or so ago i bought a car for $30.000 more than the highest Bring a trailer auction highest bid after the auction but it was a car that i wanted because it had the color combo, drivetrain, options etc i had been looking for a long time so sometimes cars sell for over market $ but if its exactly what the buyer was looking for and the timing was right or he simply didnt want to wait any longer to buy his dream car that he may never have another chance to buy again and enjoy driving it while he still can.
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 05, 2024, 12:14:55 PM
I think we are in agreement
I dont see a reserve price in the auction?
The 49K opening bid was the reserve price so to speak. I do not believe you can have a reserve auction with an opening price bid of-say-49K?
Auction ended hummmm
Quote from: Special Ed on February 06, 2024, 02:17:11 PM
Auction ended hummmm
Very curious...
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This listing was ended by the seller on Tue, Feb 6 at 10:33 AM because there was an error in the listing. ..."
Doesn't surprise me.
Per the Shelby Research Facebook group, it looks like the buyer is from Tennessee.
Quote from: JD on February 06, 2024, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: Special Ed on February 06, 2024, 02:17:11 PM
Auction ended hummmm
Very curious...
...This listing was ended by the seller on Tue, Feb 6 at 10:33 AM because there was an error in the listing. ..."
That's exactly what he did - took the cash, closed the auction & sold the car
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on February 05, 2024, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: stephen_becker on February 05, 2024, 10:14:17 AM
Spoke with owner/seller this a.m.
He is very well-versed and in the know
He tells me that he has a guaranteed offer on the table for $150,000 cash so if the auction does not exceed that amount, he will be taking that person's standing cash in a bag offer
Steve: This seller is putting himself in a bad position.
If someone truly offered him $150,000 in cash he'd be best to get a small deposit via paypal and then end the auction.
Then let the buyer show up with the $$$$..
If he doesn't end the auction, the high bidder is then informed after the bidding ends that the seller wants "cash".
What happens then if the guy is in Waco TX but is just told that Mr. Michigan wants cash for his purchase?
He has the $$$ but no way to get that $$$ to him.
Also, if the high bidder is sincere he's then told someone offered "more" so his bid isn't honored .
I should also point out in the Ebay advertisment it says "Payment: wire to my account"...
And I know my Shelby's.
If someone truly offered him $150,000 I suggest he makes the deal and ends the auction at once.
Just my .02