Was this an option for 67 ,did it show up on Marti reports or invoices & if so was it always the remote type ,or was it something installed by dealers.Mine doesn't have one but i've seen plenty of 67 pics where they have one,it's a real Pia trying to park without one.
Quote from: 68krrrr on April 21, 2020, 12:22:16 AM
Was this an option for 67 ,did it show up on Marti reports or invoices & if so was it always the remote type ,or was it something installed by dealers.Mine doesn't have one but i've seen plenty of 67 pics where they have one,it's a real Pia trying to park without one.
The passenger side mirror was not a factory option on a Shelby. A lot of people added them for the reasons you suggested. It is a common add on. Just don't install one and get upset if it gets a deduction in concours. If not showing in concours then given it is your car and you feel that a non stock item is in your best interest then go for it. Best not to use the term "Dealer Installed" because it is used almost universally to justify a non stock out of the ordinary item on a car. Savvy enthusiasts know when someone uses that term that it is usually turns out to be just a excuse. It makes me feel sorry for the people who have legitimate provable dealer installed items because their claims are looked at with skepticism also because the term is so over used.
Practice makes perfect.If you have trouble parking it you aren't driving it enough. 8)
Ok thanks Bob & God damn another concours deduct point coming my way, i'm gonna be at "Zero point zero " soon lol .But i really do respect the dedication & hard work it must take some of you guys that have built your own concours quality cars ,i need to get to one of the conventions to actually see some of them.
Passenger side mirror looks out of place.
Dave
How many point deductions do curb feelers cost you? ::)
Scott.
Shouldn't be a deduction as long as they're "Dealer Installed".
Dealer installed when???My original dealer,Theodore Robins ford is still in business,so if I go in and get a rear view camera installed,then.......???? ;D 8)
Quote from: mlplunkett on April 22, 2020, 12:16:47 PM
Shouldn't be a deduction as long as they're "Dealer Installed".
...with supporting paper work dated before the owner took initial delivery - if I understand correctly.
Quote from: pbf777 on April 22, 2020, 11:17:44 AM
How many point deductions do curb feelers cost you? ::)
Scott.
Depends - do they illuminate too?
Quote from: mlplunkett on April 22, 2020, 12:16:47 PM
Shouldn't be a deduction as long as they're "Dealer Installed".
It is not a deduction if you can prove it was dealer installed before the first customer took delivery new. That is the current line in the sand.Too many people have used that "Dealer installed " excuse to justify a non stock item which makes it bad for those that have legitimate claims. If the burden of reasonable legitimate proof was not important then things like "dealer installed "427 engines, Paxton superchargers ,Koni Shocks, Hurst shifters , Le mans stripes etc. would have to be automatically excepted by anyone making the claim. FYI PO hearsay testimony is not typically considered without back up documentation.
Morf: Slowly swinging into another form.
Not to long ago (well 10 so years ago) it was stated that, an outside rear veiw mirror was a "safety item", so, no points off given. But times change.
Tough $&*! for us 3rd, 4th, 5th and so owners. It's OK, I still enjoy my right rearview mirror'd, AM/FMed, BFG tired, soon to be T-panned 67 GT350.
Quote from: 557 on April 22, 2020, 12:25:10 PM
Dealer installed when???My original dealer,Theodore Robins ford is still in business,so if I go in and get a rear view camera installed,then.......???? ;D 8)
I once had a Concours entrant who had a 67 GT500 with a Dealer installed 427. He had what appeared to be legitimate dealer documentation however the work was done in 1976 instead of when new. That was the only legitimate claim . Unfortunately that was many years too late. I and others have seen many phoneyed up paperwork documentation to support "Dealer installed" claims.
Quote from: roddster on April 22, 2020, 12:35:08 PM
Morf: Slowly swinging into another form.
Not to long ago (well 10 so years ago) it was stated that, an outside rear veiw mirror was a "safety item", so, no points off given. But times change.
Tough $&*! for us 3rd, 4th, 5th and so owners. It's OK, I still enjoy my right rearview mirror'd, AM/FMed, BFG tired, soon to be T-panned 67 GT350.
You are not considering how show classes have also morphed to accommodate more people . There is not just one class. At SAAC Premiere = Factory stock restored as new with no reproduction parts , Concours =Factory stock restored as new with quality reproduction parts ,Survivor = Unrestored with a large percentage original paint . Popular vote = non factory stock modification allowed. That way everyone is not lumped into one class . That has evolved into a pretty diverse set of class's . MCA has even more classes distinguished by varying degrees to help owners do their own thing.
Believe me when I say "I know". Time marches on.....
Quote from: roddster on April 22, 2020, 01:20:01 PM
Believe me when I say "I know". Time marches on.....
I hear you brother. ;D
Quote from: roddster on April 22, 2020, 12:35:08 PM
Morf: Slowly swinging into another form.
Not to long ago (well 10 so years ago) it was stated that, an outside rear veiw mirror was a "safety item", so, no points off given. But times change.
Tough $&*! for us 3rd, 4th, 5th and so owners. It's OK, I still enjoy my right rearview mirror'd, AM/FMed, BFG tired, soon to be T-panned 67 GT350.
Probably saved a few bucks by helping that huge blind spot and makes the car more symmetrical. Maybe I should add an antenna on the driver's side for the in-dash AM-FM-8-Track-CB radio.
Quote from: mlplunkett on April 22, 2020, 12:16:47 PM
Shouldn't be a deduction as long as they're "Dealer Installed".
I was just kidding guys. Dealer installed curb finders??
Quote from: mlplunkett on April 22, 2020, 02:58:04 PM
Quote from: mlplunkett on April 22, 2020, 12:16:47 PM
Shouldn't be a deduction as long as they're "Dealer Installed".
I was just kidding guys. Dealer installed curb finders??
Sorry .So used to explaining that subject to people that I missed the friendly sarcasm .
Quote from: jguyer on April 22, 2020, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: roddster on April 22, 2020, 12:35:08 PM
Morf: Slowly swinging into another form.
Not to long ago (well 10 so years ago) it was stated that, an outside rear veiw mirror was a "safety item", so, no points off given. But times change.
Tough $&*! for us 3rd, 4th, 5th and so owners. It's OK, I still enjoy my right rearview mirror'd, AM/FMed, BFG tired, soon to be T-panned 67 GT350.
Probably saved a few bucks by helping that huge blind spot and makes the car more symmetrical. Maybe I should add an antenna on the driver's side for the in-dash AM-FM-8-Track-CB radio.
Somebody stole your bumper ......
Oh yea popular vote is more my style anyway & of all the trophies I won when I had my KR ,the SAAC popular vote one was the only one I cared about,speaking of which let's bring the convention back to Cali soon
Quote from: oldcanuck on April 22, 2020, 04:15:49 PM
Quote from: jguyer on April 22, 2020, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: roddster on April 22, 2020, 12:35:08 PM
Morf: Slowly swinging into another form.
Not to long ago (well 10 so years ago) it was stated that, an outside rear veiw mirror was a "safety item", so, no points off given. But times change.
Tough $&*! for us 3rd, 4th, 5th and so owners. It's OK, I still enjoy my right rearview mirror'd, AM/FMed, BFG tired, soon to be T-panned 67 GT350.
Probably saved a few bucks by helping that huge blind spot and makes the car more symmetrical. Maybe I should add an antenna on the driver's side for the in-dash AM-FM-8-Track-CB radio.
Somebody stole your bumper ......
lose 20 points and 20 pounds ;-) (that's a joke, not a criticism)
Quote from: 557 on April 21, 2020, 01:49:31 AM
Practice makes perfect.If you have trouble parking it you aren't driving it enough. 8)
^^^What 557 said.^^^
Today, I have a crew of guys working at my house installing upgrades to security system, cameras, etc. When they got here early this morning, I had to move all of our cars (eight) out of the garages in rapid succession. Maneuvering everything from my Kirkham 427 and KR (no P/S or brakes) to a new Navigator, Jeep Trackhawk and my wife's Mercedes, and couple others challenged my peripheral vision, spatial awareness, and close-space backing up and parking skills.
Wide angle mirrors and backup cameras on some, to nothing but seat-of-pants and dead reckoning on others. Jumping from one vehicle to another kept me on high alert.
Luckily, no damage to anything. But I now have to put them all away tonight. :P
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 22, 2020, 05:22:41 PM
Quote from: 557 on April 21, 2020, 01:49:31 AM
Practice makes perfect.If you have trouble parking it you aren't driving it enough. 8)
^^^What 557 said.^^^
Today, I have a crew of guys working at my house installing upgrades to security system, cameras, etc. When they got here early this morning, I had to move all of our cars (eight) out of the garages in rapid succession. Maneuvering everything from my Kirkham 427 and KR (no P/S or brakes) to a new Navigator, Jeep Trackhawk and my wife's Mercedes, and couple others challenged my peripheral vision, spatial awareness, and close-space backing up and parking skills.
Wide angle mirrors and backup cameras on some, to nothing but seat-of-pants and dead reckoning on others. Jumping from one vehicle to another kept me on high alert.
Luckily, no damage to anything. But I now have to put them all away tonight. :P
That's no sweat.Way easier pulling in than backing out..... 8)
I back my cars in...and some are on lifts. Some of the clearances are very tight. One car goes back on roller jacks. It makes my wife nervous to spot for me, so I'm on my own.
I can do it, no sweat, but I'll be ready for a couple of lagers when I'm done.
Quote from: oldcanuck on April 22, 2020, 04:15:49 PM
Quote from: jguyer on April 22, 2020, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: roddster on April 22, 2020, 12:35:08 PM
Morf: Slowly swinging into another form.
Not to long ago (well 10 so years ago) it was stated that, an outside rear veiw mirror was a "safety item", so, no points off given. But times change.
Tough $&*! for us 3rd, 4th, 5th and so owners. It's OK, I still enjoy my right rearview mirror'd, AM/FMed, BFG tired, soon to be T-panned 67 GT350.
Probably saved a few bucks by helping that huge blind spot and makes the car more symmetrical. Maybe I should add an antenna on the driver's side for the in-dash AM-FM-8-Track-CB radio.
Somebody stole your bumper ......
Removed to compensate for the extra weight of passenger mirror.
Quote from: jguyer on April 22, 2020, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: oldcanuck on April 22, 2020, 04:15:49 PM
Somebody stole your bumper ......
Removed to compensate for the extra weight of passenger mirror.
;D
Love Day 2 Shelbys
Day 2, now thats a class we really need!
Quote from: roddster on April 23, 2020, 09:57:36 AM
Day 2, now thats a class we really need!
Isn't popular vote kind of the same thing?
Quote from: jguyer on April 22, 2020, 07:29:41 PM
Removed to compensate for the extra weight of passenger mirror.
Love it. ;)
I put my passenger side mirror on maybe 25 or 30 years ago. It does balance the look in my eyes.
Quote from: S7MS427 on April 23, 2020, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: jguyer on April 22, 2020, 07:29:41 PM
Removed to compensate for the extra weight of passenger mirror.
Love it. ;)
I put my passenger side mirror on maybe 25 or 30 years ago. It does balance the look in my eyes.
Mine has been has been on there for a long time as well. The minor chrome patina matches the drivers side. I will say that other than looks, the right hand mirror is pretty much useless, unless you like checking on your right rear curb feeler. ;)
I couldn't get out of my tight-fit garage without a passenger mirror.
I will say that other than looks, the right hand mirror is pretty much useless, unless you like checking on your right rear curb feeler. ;)
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Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
Quote from: mlplunkett on April 26, 2020, 12:21:16 PM
I will say that other than looks, the right hand mirror is pretty much useless.
Had a right side mirror installed the day I bought my '67 GT350. Coming from a truck driving background, you
use your mirrors, all the time and the right side, of a '67 GT 350/500, presents, a nice blind spot.
Just my preference.
Doug
But,if you need to change lanes to the right you just push the corresponding (right) pedal and you should be just fine.Clears traffic right up. 8)
As for the mirror... My sentiments exactly. Well , unless it has red flashing lights. The first rule of Italian Driving..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjGXn249Fc0