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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-shelby-mustang-gt500kr-11/
wow a yellow paint car !
Wow! High bids already. I'm very familiar with this car. Some of you have seen the "Before Restoration" pictures. I hope the seller is very transparent about the car's history. I'm going to keep an eye on this one. And, no, I won't make any negative comments in the auction.
Quote from: 5s386 on February 17, 2024, 10:40:54 PM
Wow! High bids already. I'm very familiar with this car. Some of you have seen the "Before Restoration" pictures. I hope the seller is very transparent about the car's history. I'm going to keep an eye on this one. And, no, I won't make any negative comments in the auction.
What is a negative comment? I'd say if the seller isn't transparent and you correct them is that really a negative comment? I'd say you would be helping the Shelby community out. Don't throw comments out there but answer questions if you have the knowledge to answer them. WOW, the car came with a HEATER!!!. Must be rare! I cringe on most of those write ups. Too bad with the money they make they cannot employ someone who can write ads for these cars.
I guess BaT hasnt figured out if you put "matching numbers" in the auction, there should be some pictures???
🤦♂️
It looks like a fun driver! Four wheel disc brakes! 😃
Quote from: 5s386 on February 17, 2024, 10:40:54 PM
Wow! High bids already. I'm very familiar with this car. Some of you have seen the "Before Restoration" pictures. I hope the seller is very transparent about the car's history. I'm going to keep an eye on this one. And, no, I won't make any negative comments in the auction.
Does the Good Book have the restoration info in it?
I didnt see anything specific in the current notes
Picture 162
I thought I read there are differences in 65/66 And 67 and up floor pans?
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Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 11:34:32 AM
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Thanks for pointing out the differences. I use the differences for 69-70 floor pans as many cars use the "65-8" but I guess I should now be saying 65-6 floor pans. Being a member of the 428 CJ forum a lot of differences were pointed out for the 69-70 dynacorn pans and originals and what needed to be done to the dynacorns to make them look original.
I am aware of the differences, but have not associated dates
Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 11:14:20 AM
Picture 162
I thought I read there are differences in 65/66 And 67 and up floor pans?
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 18, 2024, 12:00:12 PM
Thanks for pointing out the differences. I use the differences for 69-70 floor pans as many cars use the "65-8" but I guess I should now be saying 65-6 floor pans. ............
No - early floor pans and late 65-into 67 floor pans.
Believe the thread on CMF (where where some of the pictures were borrowed from) speaks to the issue and possible change date or range.
Quote from: 5s386 on February 17, 2024, 10:40:54 PM.....I hope the seller is very transparent about the car's history.
That hasn't happened since the first horse was traded.
So mid 67 cars and all 68s had the changes? The reason I ask I am going to be replacing my 68 floors soon and want them as correct as possible.
Thanks
Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 12:59:49 PM
So mid 67 cars and all 68s had the changes? The reason I ask I am going to be replacing my 68 floors soon and want them as correct as possible.
Thanks
Just so we can be as specific as possible. When was your car completed at Metuchen?
Quote from: J_Speegle on February 18, 2024, 01:53:05 PM
Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 12:59:49 PM
So mid 67 cars and all 68s had the changes? The reason I ask I am going to be replacing my 68 floors soon and want them as correct as possible.
Thanks
Just so we can be as specific as possible. When was your car completed at Metuchen?
why would they change a floor pan in 1968? As a guy in the die trade it costs money and time to do a change on a set of dies to stamp out a part. I understand multiple sets of dies and you could do run aheads and stagger the changes as to not halt production but am curious why Ford had a need to modify the pans in 68 and not 67.
Quote from: J_Speegle on February 18, 2024, 01:53:05 PM
Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 12:59:49 PM
So mid 67 cars and all 68s had the changes? The reason I ask I am going to be replacing my 68 floors soon and want them as correct as possible.
Thanks
Just so we can be as specific as possible. When was your car completed at Metuchen?
January 15 1968
Yes
current reproduction is modeled after the late 6768 pan so you should be all set there
The drain hole openings are a little little goofy, but they can be modified
Thanks Tim
Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 12:59:49 PM
So mid 67 cars and all 68s had the changes? The reason I ask I am going to be replacing my 68 floors soon and want them as correct as possible.
Thanks
As has been posted, there were changes in the '67 pans that appear to be carried over into the '68's and on.
See attached, both '67's the area behind the end of the front sub-frame. The top image is of a car in the low 1,100 range and the bottom car in the 3,000 range.
Pete and shelbymann1970, I posted a comment in reply on the auction, and said I think when it comes to special paint Shelbys, Pete is a true Democrat and appreciates all without bias. I guess they won't allow that as it is "political", go figure.
They must know me. Lol
My guess is "8E27" plus or minus 3 days on the date code
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 18, 2024, 05:14:12 PM
Pete and shelbymann1970, I posted a comment in reply on the auction, and said I think when it comes to special paint Shelbys, Pete is a true Democrat and appreciates all without bias. I guess they won't allow that as it is "political", go figure.
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Quote from: TLea on February 18, 2024, 02:51:16 PM
Yes
current reproduction is modeled after the late 6768 pan so you should be all set there
The drain hole openings are a little little goofy, but they can be modified
Tim
I have seen very early 68's use the late 67 pan ( Nov and maybe into Dec. ) and then transition to the 68 style pan later. The late 68 pan has a different rib near the back of the rear foot wells that the late 67 doesn't have. Sorry I don't have a photo right now.
Rodney
Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 18, 2024, 05:35:14 PM
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 18, 2024, 05:14:12 PM
Pete and shelbymann1970, I posted a comment in reply on the auction, and said I think when it comes to special paint Shelbys, Pete is a true Democrat and appreciates all without bias. I guess they won't allow that as it is "political", go figure.
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Old movie line. In the movie Casablanca (my all-time fave), Rick (Humphrey Bogart) remarks to Captain Renault (the Prefect of Police) during one scene: "When it comes to women, you're a true democrat."
Pete, are you surprised that no one has said anything about the quarter panels?
Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 02:22:55 PM
January 15 1968
Thanks
Some examples from around your production period. One from within the same week
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-180224153840-201141667.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-180224153840-20115540.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-180224153837-20113864.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-180224153835-201121576.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-180224153832-20111140.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/20/6-180224153826-201092382.jpeg)
Very Cool Thanks
Im not, because its BaT. 😉
Quote from: J_Speegle on February 18, 2024, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 02:22:55 PM
January 15 1968
Thanks
Some examples from around your production period. One from within the same week
Jeff, how many times have you seen this damage on a frame rail? I screen shot a portion of your pic for reference. I hope that is OK?
Thats from the chains holding the cars to the rail carriers. Very common
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 19, 2024, 08:25:41 AM
Thats from the chains holding the cars to the rail carriers. Very common
I was wondering that or wreckers tying a car down too tight back then when towing. So the rail cars didn't use the tie down brackets?
I dont believe so
I would have thought all cars had the tiedown hooks installed on assembly line pete or how would they know which cars were going to be transported on rail truck or boat was that on any assembly line coded on paperwork as i dont know and never heard that discussed before? I would think the tiedown hooks would be installed on rear frame rails before exhaust was installed on the assembly line especially on the dual exhaust cars as its hard to install the long dual exhaust hooks after the rear tailpipes are in place especially on the left side rear its a tight area to work since the gas tank is offset to the left its hard to install the 2 long bolts and nuts on top of frame rails as its a very busy area to work around the tailpipes rear chrome tips and clamps rear hangers and leaf spring shackles all in the way. I been collecting original rear tiedown hooks for last 40 years and found many in old ford dealerships junkyards etc and have more rh sides than lh side since rh side is much easy to remove and have found cars that the lh wasnt removed as it was to much trouble to remove hook after dual exhaust was installed. Just look at the distance between rear gas tank area and lh frame rail vs rh frame rail.
Just to be clear, Im not saying the cars didnt have the rear tie downs. I am saying the railcars used the frames to cinch the cars down, distorting those holes.
I'm not at odds with the theory that some of this damage to the subframes of cars could have been inflicted during the rail transport operations. But I can assure you, that such definitely takes place, with all to great of frequency, this by the tow & wrecker transport services; this often with the utilization of the ever so popularly "T-Hooks" trough the subframes often at the rear and then utilizing the winch at the front pulling hard enough to compress the suspension, but unfortunately at the wrong angle being applied in the too great of tension being required for the desired effect. ;)
Example:
https://www.truckntow.com/vulcan-t-hook-safe-working-load-4700-lbs.html?utm_source=google_shopping&gad_source=1
I have come to realize that one must all too often participate in the process of any sort of transport operation, otherwise your shyte will get f@#k-up! :o
Scott.
Quote from: pbf777 on February 19, 2024, 10:48:03 AM
I'm not at odds with the theory that some of this damage to the subframes of cars could have been inflicted during the rail transport operations. But I can assure you, that such definitely takes place, with all to great of frequency, this by the tow & wrecker transport services; this often with the utilization of the ever so popularly "T-Hooks" trough the subframes often at the rear and then utilizing the winch at the front pulling hard enough to compress the suspension, but unfortunately at the wrong angle being applied in the too great of tension being required for the desired effect. ;)
Example:
https://www.truckntow.com/vulcan-t-hook-safe-working-load-4700-lbs.html?utm_source=google_shopping&gad_source=1
I have come to realize that one must all too often participate in the process of any sort of transport operation, otherwise your shyte will get f@#k-up! :o
Scott.
+1 . Watched it being done in years past and nothing I could do at the time. It makes me cringe when ever I see the damage because I relive those moments.
I will in fairness present all information until I can confirm or abandon my supposition.
This is a post from Concoursmustang
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=10470.30
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 19, 2024, 08:18:38 AM
Jeff, how many times have you seen this damage on a frame rail? I screen shot a portion of your pic for reference. I hope that is OK?
Damage yes - normally a deformation on the rear edge of those two rear holes. To the extent shown in that particular picture no IMHO that is extreme and not often found
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 19, 2024, 10:18:34 AM
Just to be clear, Im not saying the cars didnt have the rear tie downs. I am saying the railcars used the frames to cinch the cars down, distorting those holes.
+1
Wow, Sold for $235k, thats probably a "top 5" KR fastback sale price!
200k plus is the new 100k
...apparently 4 speeds, lack of detailing and a lot of sheet metalwork dont matter on BaT.
Good for the sellers!
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 28, 2024, 02:29:38 PM
Wow, Sold for $235k, thats probably a "top 5" KR fastback sale price!
200k plus is the new 100k
...apparently 4 speeds, lack of detailing and a lot of sheet metalwork dont matter on BaT.
Good for the sellers!
+1 I like the Ford blue PS pump. Nice touch. I'll add missing some VERY expensive rare parts also.
Wow! Record price for the condition. I hope the new buyer joins SAAC to learn about their new car, and gets an education on factory built stock 1968 Shelbys.
On the other hand, maybe the new owner won't care about originality. They just want to drive it, as is.