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Title: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: silverton_ford on December 18, 2023, 12:27:06 PM
I listed Shelby products made from 1962-1970 that are going up for auction at the 2024 Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams and Worldwide Auctioneers.

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Barrett Jackson January 20-28th 2024
  808 - 1968 GT500 Conv 8T03S169176-00478 https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1968-SHELBY-GT500-CONVERTIBLE-272602 (https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1968-SHELBY-GT500-CONVERTIBLE-272602) - SOLD - $157,300.00

  822 - 1969 GT500 9F02R480601 https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-SHELBY-GT500-273077 (https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-SHELBY-GT500-273077) - SOLD - $110,000.00

  1008.1 – 1969 GT350 9F02M480094 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-SHELBY-GT350-272286  - SOLD - $88,000.00

  1039 – 1969 GT500 9F02R481035 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-SHELBY-GT500-271188   - SOLD - $135,300.00

  1082.1 - 1969 GT500 9F02R482511 https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-SHELBY-GT500---271938 (https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-SHELBY-GT500---271938)

  1086 – 1966 GT350H 6S1796 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1966-SHELBY-GT350-H-272002  - SOLD $143,000.00

  1141.1 - 1969 GT350 9F02M480543 https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-SHELBY-GT350-272626 (https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-SHELBY-GT350-272626) - SOLD $88,000.00

  1328 – 1968 GT500KR 8T02R205281 03254 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1968-SHELBY-GT500KR-271846 - SOLD - $165,000.00

  1332.1 – 1967 GT500 67400F5U00687 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1967-SHELBY-GT500-271810 - SOLD - $313,500.00

  1365 – 1965 GT350 5S555 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1965-SHELBY-GT350-272410 - SOLD - $522,500.00
 
  1427.1 – 1967 GT500 67401F9A02528 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1967-FORD-SHELBY-GT500-271048 - SOLD - $324,500.00

  1438.1 – 1968 GT350H 8T02J155398 01219 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1968-SHELBY-GT350-H-271478 - SOLD - $181,500.00

  1446.1 – 1966 GT350 6S2116 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1966-SHELBY-GT350-273862 - SOLD - $286,000.00
 
  1447.1 – 1968 GT500KR 8T03R216184 04415 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1968-SHELBY-GT500KR-CONVERTIBLE-272614 - SOLD - $172,700.00

  1468 – 1968 GT500KR 8T02R215904 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1968-SHELBY-GT500KR-272676 - SOLD - $176,000.00



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Bonhams – January 25 2024
  1968 GT500KR 8T03R210309 03693 - https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/29260/preview-lot/5809144/1968-shelby-gt500-kr-convertible-chassis-no-8t03r210309/#photos     -  Bid to, no sale:  $150,000.00



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RM Sotheby – January 25, 2024

121 - 1966 Cobra CSX3237 - https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az24/arizona/lots/r0056-1966-shelby-427-cobra/1432931 - No Sale - Bid to $1,000,000.00

122 - 1966 GT350H 6S715 - https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az24/arizona/lots/r0030-1966-shelby-gt350-h/1422574 - SOLD $170,800.00

123 - 1967 GT350 67200F50012 - https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az24/arizona/lots/r0031-1967-shelby-gt350-fastback/1422576 - SOLD $229,600.00

124 - 1967 GT500 67401F5A02475 - https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az24/arizona/lots/r0032-1967-shelby-gt500/1422578 - No Sale - Bid to $265,000.00

153 - 1963 Cobra CSX2044 - https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az24/arizona/lots/r0078-1963-shelby-289-cobra/1438074 - SOLD - $1,215,000.00

171 - 1969 GT350 9F02R480033 - https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az24/arizona/lots/r0058-1969-shelby-gt350-b-production/1435928 - SOLD - $168,000.00


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Worldwide Auctioneers - Friday January 26, 2024

10  - 1968 GT350 Conv 8T03J205235-03156  https://listings.worldwideauctioneers.com/product/1968-shelby-gt350-convertible/ (https://listings.worldwideauctioneers.com/product/1968-shelby-gt350-convertible/)  - No Sale - Bid to $105,000.00

64 - 1968 GT500KR conv 8T03R211000-03873 https://listings.worldwideauctioneers.com/product/1968-shelby-gt500kr-convertible/ (https://listings.worldwideauctioneers.com/product/1968-shelby-gt500kr-convertible/) - No Sale - Bid to $170,000.00
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: acapulco350 on December 18, 2023, 12:43:38 PM
Brian

Can't thank you enough for doing this

It's a crazy time of year

And you have made it easy to follow

Thank you
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Wedgeman on December 18, 2023, 12:55:12 PM
Excellent as always...thanks Brian !... ;D
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Coralsnake on December 18, 2023, 05:52:36 PM
Yes thank you for doing this
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 18, 2023, 06:10:53 PM
Another excellent job. Thanks.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: FL SAAC on December 18, 2023, 08:50:28 PM
your efforts are much appreciated
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Chad on December 18, 2023, 10:16:58 PM
Thank You!!!
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: BGlover67 on December 18, 2023, 11:04:11 PM
Awesome as always Bri.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: silverton_ford on December 30, 2023, 03:15:51 AM
Thank you for the comments. 

I added a few more cars to the list in the first post that the auction companies have added since I initially made the list.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: silverton_ford on January 26, 2024, 10:43:25 AM
Prices updated from Thursday.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: FL SAAC on January 26, 2024, 11:02:41 AM
GT350H $170,800

thank you very much for these updates!
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Hipo-Fred on January 26, 2024, 05:44:00 PM


Much appreciated, thank you!  ;)

Fred
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: GT350DAVE on January 26, 2024, 06:42:19 PM
Brian,

Thank you for doing this.

Dave
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on January 27, 2024, 12:41:55 PM
Triple Nickels coming across the block today in BJ......
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: SCJSTU on January 27, 2024, 04:41:26 PM
Lot #1328 - This 1968 Shelby GT500KR was the recipient of a nut-and-bolt rotisserie restoration. It is powered by 428ci Cobra Jet paired with a heavy-duty C6 Cruise-O-Matic transmission and a 31-spline carrier with a differential. It is equipped with tilt steering, power brakes and power steering. This Shelby has a Deluxe interior. It was entered into the Shelby American World Registry in 1982. During the restoration of this Shelby, a decision was made to use a donor body to correct various issues with the original body. Has been driven 30 miles since the build completion.



CAR WAS RESTORED WITH A DONOR BODY.....sold today for $165,000 with fees

8T02R20528103254 VIN

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1968-SHELBY-GT500KR-271846


Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: KR Convertible on January 27, 2024, 05:14:41 PM
Seems like a lot of the Frank Tiegs cars are restored with donor bodies!!  Grabber Green Boss 429 too.  And went for $260+fees
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: sfm5 on January 27, 2024, 06:23:20 PM
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on January 27, 2024, 12:41:55 PM
Triple Nickels coming across the block today in BJ......

Just hammered at $475K.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: camp upshur on January 27, 2024, 06:50:14 PM

or $522.5 - depending on which side of the hose you were on!
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on January 27, 2024, 07:00:35 PM
Yep, a good number, almost as much as my '67 Corvette sold for.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: silverton_ford on January 27, 2024, 11:46:09 PM
All prices updated on the first page through Saturday.   Thank you for the nice comments.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: 6S1568 on January 28, 2024, 07:13:31 AM
Brian, THANKS for the updates, we appreciate it. It's nice to have the links too, so we can go back and look at the specific details of each car.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Rodster-500 on January 28, 2024, 09:03:16 PM
68 GT350 $181,500.  :o

1438.1 – 1968 GT350H 8T02J155398 01219 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1968-SHELBY-GT350-H-271478 - SOLD - $181,500.00
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 28, 2024, 11:20:31 PM
Quote from: Rodster-500 on January 28, 2024, 09:03:16 PM
68 GT350 $181,500.  :o

1438.1 – 1968 GT350H 8T02J155398 01219 - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1968-SHELBY-GT350-H-271478 - SOLD - $181,500.00

Did you look at the pics/description?
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: john galt on January 29, 2024, 07:03:00 AM
Many thanks to Brian for taking the time to post the auction info about cars of interest to the SAAC.  A concise listing of SAI results sure beats wasting hours watching RESTO MOD Vettes, Broncos and PU's cross the block. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Coralsnake on January 29, 2024, 08:30:34 AM
Quote68 GT350 $181,500.  :o

Cant see past the $25 export brace 😉

Seriously, it looks well preserved
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 29, 2024, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 29, 2024, 08:30:34 AM
Quote68 GT350 $181,500.  :o

Cant see past the $25 export brace 😉

Seriously, it looks well preserved
The big honker alarm siren and the caution fan sticker (clueless indicator) hit me in the face about the same time and so I didn't waste my time knowing full well what other things I would likely find throughout the car.   
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Coralsnake on January 29, 2024, 01:16:30 PM
Thats the judges view....I will look on the big screen tonight, but I think its pretty nice other than a few bigger items
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 29, 2024, 01:40:10 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 29, 2024, 01:16:30 PM
Thats the judges view....I will look on the big screen tonight, but I think its pretty nice other than a few bigger items
I agree it looks very nice over all from the pictures. Pictures can be misleading. With original details typically justifying a high market price I was surprised at the mistakes I saw given the hammer price compared to typical market for that model. There are probably other factors like drink, party atmosphere ,competition etc.that are not known that attributed to the price too. The number of problem original details I mentioned typically carry through the entire car percentage wise with maybe the exception of the interior . It is hard to mess up the interior details given the prevalent common knowledge. One can get indications from pictures however first hand examination by someone in the know is best way to determine one way or the other IMO.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Coralsnake on January 29, 2024, 04:57:33 PM
I just looked this car over on the big screen and I would call it a survivor or something close. However, there is not enough to tell me if its had a repaint. I think that giant horn is a car alarm.

The car retains a lot of original details. I found some pre clean up pictures and its had a good deal of labor put into it.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 29, 2024, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 29, 2024, 04:57:33 PM
I just looked this car over on the big screen and I would call it a survivor or something close. However, there is not enough to tell me if its had a repaint. I think that giant horn is a car alarm.

The car retains a lot of original details. I found some pre clean up pictures and its had a good deal of labor put into it.
Yes old school car alarm siren.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: csx289 on February 01, 2024, 10:50:58 AM
I owned 68 #1219 for a bit. Incredibly original car. It was 100% original paint when I owned it. Yes it had a period car alarm that was functional. Great party trick to turn it on and have somebody open the door and trigger the functional siren. When I had the car the original shocks were in a box as was every removed original part including fan belts etc. The chassis is, in my opinion, one of the best original ones of any 68 in existence. Certainly a reference example for finishes and plating. It was an extremely well preserved car. Drove like new. Even the A/C blew cold. The fellow I sold it to (well, actually traded it to for a 1k mile 1971 GMC truck and some $) did a bunch of detailing, not all of it appropriate as has been noted here. He also had the front end fiberglass repainted (not the hood) because he didn't like some small cracks in the nose. That was a mistake but I couldn't talk him out of it. I also think he had the body line on the doors blended because of some door dings and chips. I also wouldn't have done that as, again, it was absolutely 100% original paint and imo quite stunning. So while it is easy to gather an opinion via pics and a TV broadcast I can definitively state that 1219 was one of the best quality Shelbys at B-J by a country mile. And I'll leave it at that!

Oh, FWIW, the underbidder on 1219 was Peter Klutt. He inspected it and also thought it was a spectacular survivor. He bid to 163k (hammer) as I recall. 

Just a little Paul Harvey/ "the rest of the story" insight from a previous owner with reasonably knowledgable firsthand experience of this particular car.

Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 01, 2024, 01:21:46 PM
It is always a shame when I see that someone with good intentions but faulty historical detail knowledge gets a hold of a car good car to try and make it better as apparently is the case with the 68 GT350 being discussed. In this case they failed in a number of respects IMO. At least under the hood in a number of areas. That is based on the mistakes seen and testimony that it was all original before. I have got to give praise for the expertly done positive spin on the previous owner added aftermarket vintage alarm system as a "party trick" when showing off that it works. Well played.;)  Otherwise something like that which is extremely hard to reverse and make the car whole given holes drilled for added alarm switches etc. is seen as a negative and not a plus. That alarm may be something that some see as cool but for me it does just the opposite and detracts from original aspects. Those alarms weren't typically effective back in the day and other then being something a previous owner installed does not typically have anything to do with the history of the car. As I said before a very nice car over all.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Wedgeman on February 01, 2024, 01:53:46 PM
Bob Gaines,, funny you should mention that alarm. When I bought 68 GT500 #817 in 1971, it had the exact same alarm on it. I drove the car to Junior College daily, set the alarm, and went to class.  Came out one day and my passenger side wing window was open, and the 8 track player attached to the side of the console was gone...In frustration I kicked the side of the car.... and....THE ALARM GOES OFF!
I drove home... immediately removed the alarm.....tossed it in the trash. Guess it was in the end..." NOT TYPICALLY EFFECTIVE"... >:(
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 01, 2024, 02:18:12 PM
Quote from: Wedgeman on February 01, 2024, 01:53:46 PM
Bob Gaines,, funny you should mention that alarm. When I bought 68 GT500 #817 in 1971, it had the exact same alarm on it. I drove the car to Junior College daily, set the alarm, and went to class.  Came out one day and my passenger side wing window was open, and the 8 track player attached to the side of the console was gone...In frustration I kicked the side of the car.... and....THE ALARM GOES OFF!
I drove home... immediately removed the alarm.....tossed it in the trash. Guess it was in the end..." NOT TYPICALLY EFFECTIVE"... >:(
Sorry to hear about that but I and others have had a similar first hand experiences back in the day which is why I felt I could give that opinion .
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 01, 2024, 02:21:07 PM
I am sure my bad car alarm experience is at least partially responsible for my dislike for them left on classic cars.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on February 02, 2024, 02:25:37 PM
I had one on the first Shelby I owned, a '68 GT350. What a PITA that was, even removing it caused major electrical issues.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: shelbymann1970 on February 02, 2024, 03:13:52 PM
Quote from: Wedgeman on February 01, 2024, 01:53:46 PM
Bob Gaines,, funny you should mention that alarm. When I bought 68 GT500 #817 in 1971, it had the exact same alarm on it. I drove the car to Junior College daily, set the alarm, and went to class.  Came out one day and my passenger side wing window was open, and the 8 track player attached to the side of the console was gone...In frustration I kicked the side of the car.... and....THE ALARM GOES OFF!
I drove home... immediately removed the alarm.....tossed it in the trash. Guess it was in the end..." NOT TYPICALLY EFFECTIVE"... >:(
Is that a Shelby shirt you were wearing in the pic?
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Shane on February 03, 2024, 05:34:07 PM
Not a Shelby but of possible interest, this 65 k-code convertible sold at B-J for $165k.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1965-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-CONVERTIBLE-271076

5F08K337291
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Wedgeman on February 03, 2024, 06:38:56 PM
Shelbyman 1970...yes that is an original  Shelby T Shirt..even has the Shelby American  tag in it.... 8)t
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on February 03, 2024, 06:41:16 PM
Quote from: Shane on February 03, 2024, 05:34:07 PM
Not a Shelby but of possible interest, this 65 k-code convertible sold at B-J for $165k.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1965-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-CONVERTIBLE-271076

5F08K337291

Nice modified Mustang. Not exactly original, you do wonder if modifieds are more popular and expensive than originals these days.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: shelbymann1970 on February 04, 2024, 04:46:54 AM
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on February 03, 2024, 06:41:16 PM
Quote from: Shane on February 03, 2024, 05:34:07 PM
Not a Shelby but of possible interest, this 65 k-code convertible sold at B-J for $165k.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1965-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-CONVERTIBLE-271076

5F08K337291

Nice modified Mustang. Not exactly original, you do wonder if modifieds are more popular and expensive than originals these days.
Mike, look what you sold your 67 tanker for and look what Jeff Hayes got for his his restod mod 67(double). I guess the question is when and if these trend fall out of favor how much do those restomods drop? I am still shaking my head every time an "Eleanor" crosses the block for more than real 67 Shelbys.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on February 05, 2024, 09:09:56 AM
True shelbymann, the market is still there for the new restomods.  The Eleanors are also still popular. Depreciation is harder to track on them, but it must be there.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Hipo-Fred on February 05, 2024, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 04, 2024, 04:46:54 AM
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1965-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-CONVERTIBLE-271076
5F08K337291
[/quote]Mike, look what you sold your 67 tanker for and look what Jeff Hayes got for his his restod mod 67(double). I guess the question is when and if these trend fall out of favor how much do those restomods drop? I am still shaking my head every time an "Eleanor" crosses the block for more than real 67 Shelbys.
[/quote]

Yeah, definitely a head scratcher. 

Fred
  :o
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: csx289 on February 05, 2024, 10:42:42 AM
Bob Gaines, re my "positive spin" on 1291,  as others have pointed out before, its unfortunate that you seem to have an issue with many fellow enthusiasts and SAAC members who post here only to be met with vitriol from you. It's the main reason why I, while somebody who clearly doesn't approach your level of expertise and experience, don't post here- and I know others who do the same. Again, unfortunate because there is a vast level of real world experience and insight that could be gained and blended with yours and other similar pillars of the Shelby community's knowledge to make us all more knowledgeable about the intricacies of the Shelby cars we love. It would also make for a more vibrant online community/ forum.

Case in point, as a former owner of 1219, somebody with firsthand knowledge of the car from when it left the original owner's care and what transpired with it up to the B-J sale (vs just seeing pics on a website) I felt chiming in on this thread was important. After all these auction threads are to review and discuss sale prices and determine the market for cars of varying quality. Yes, I thought the alarm the original owner put on 1219 was cool, I appreciated it still worked, and my family had fun "punking" people with it at car shows etc. I had and still have no dog in that hunt today. Ideally, yes, the car would have zero modifications but that was an acceptable "Day 2" one to me and I loved how spectacular that car was in so many other areas so I took it as a whole.

I do look at a ton of Shelbys in person at auctions, actually most of them, and see a lot of cars that aren't what they claim to be. For example in 2021 I inspected a '65 GT350 that was being sold at a Gooding auction that had a really "positive spin" on its history, owned by notable Shelby people, Div 2 winner etc. When I saw the car it was detailed very well but clearly had some significant issues with the legitimacy and origins of its body shell. That was one car I did not see discussed here, among others, and I was really curious as to your and other peoples take on it.

Now as for the other stuff like the $350k "Eleanors" and whatnot I certainly do not get the prices on those! Or the announced rebodies at B-J. Or even the unannounced ones ;) I did try to buy an excptionally nice '65 A Code Mustang convertible (B-J Lot 439) that was mostly original paint and was super minty underneath. It was owned by Jason Billups and clearly he knows a good Mustang. It sold for a touch over $50k and in hindsight / by comparison that was probably one of the better Mustang buys at that auction.

Ok....back to lurking. Lol

My best to all-

Colin Comer
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 05, 2024, 11:34:21 AM
Quote from: csx289 on February 05, 2024, 10:42:42 AM
Bob Gaines, re my "positive spin" on 1291,  as others have pointed out before, its unfortunate that you seem to have an issue with many fellow enthusiasts and SAAC members who post here only to be met with vitriol from you. It's the main reason why I, while somebody who clearly doesn't approach your level of expertise and experience, don't post here- and I know others who do the same. Again, unfortunate because there is a vast level of real world experience and insight that could be gained and blended with yours and other similar pillars of the Shelby community's knowledge to make us all more knowledgeable about the intricacies of the Shelby cars we love. It would also make for a more vibrant online community/ forum.

Case in point, as a former owner of 1219, somebody with firsthand knowledge of the car from when it left the original owner's care and what transpired with it up to the B-J sale (vs just seeing pics on a website) I felt chiming in on this thread was important. After all these auction threads are to review and discuss sale prices and determine the market for cars of varying quality. Yes, I thought the alarm the original owner put on 1219 was cool, I appreciated it still worked, and my family had fun "punking" people with it at car shows etc. I had and still have no dog in that hunt today. Ideally, yes, the car would have zero modifications but that was an acceptable "Day 2" one to me and I loved how spectacular that car was in so many other areas so I took it as a whole.

I do look at a ton of Shelbys in person at auctions, actually most of them, and see a lot of cars that aren't what they claim to be. For example in 2021 I inspected a '65 GT350 that was being sold at a Gooding auction that had a really "positive spin" on its history, owned by notable Shelby people, Div 2 winner etc. When I saw the car it was detailed very well but clearly had some significant issues with the legitimacy and origins of its body shell. That was one car I did not see discussed here, among others, and I was really curious as to your and other peoples take on it.

Now as for the other stuff like the $350k "Eleanors" and whatnot I certainly do not get the prices on those! Or the announced rebodies at B-J. Or even the unannounced ones ;) I did try to buy an excptionally nice '65 A Code Mustang convertible (B-J Lot 439) that was mostly original paint and was super minty underneath. It was owned by Jason Billups and clearly he knows a good Mustang. It sold for a touch over $50k and in hindsight / by comparison that was probably one of the better Mustang buys at that auction.

Ok....back to lurking. Lol

My best to all-

Colin Comer
Colin , I Thought I was politely disagreeing with your point of view and explained why. I complimented you on the masterful way you explained yours . I am not sure why you took that as vitriol ? Since my post was not meant as a personal attack as you seem to have taken it let me confirm that it was not meant that way on my end. Bob Gaines
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 05, 2024, 11:50:00 AM
Colin ,after rereading your post and trying to understand what prompted such a heated response to me I think some clarification is in order. You said you previous owned the car and describing the positive aspects. You also mentioned that you sold the car and told about some of the things the new owner was doing to that car you didn't agree with.  Based on how original you claimed the car was when you had it and the way the car presented itself in the BJ picture I was referring to the new owner who made "improvements" on the car as making mistakes . I thought that was understood but maybe not.  If you thought otherwise let this post set the record straight.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: csx289 on February 05, 2024, 04:30:21 PM
Hi Bob, I appreciate the clarification. I understand that you operate at a very high level of assembly line/ concours textbook perfect and our opinions often (always?) differ as I tend to appreciate unrestored or great driver cars with original sheetmetal over absolute perfection in plating or decal placement etc. It's the age old debate of drivers vs show car guys I suppose. And I will admit my post was more about what seems to be a great deal of pushback of any car that isn't Gold level etc. and past exchanges, hence the implication that commenting on the alarm was a "spin." In any event I think we all owe it to people here to allow differences of opinion without playing "whack-a-mole" when they comment. There is a wealth of knowledge in this forum and the more questions, opinions and comments are welcomed rather than challenged the better IMO. Again, thanks for clarifying, good to know it was offered in the spirit of friendly debate ;)
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: TLea on February 06, 2024, 10:37:34 AM
Interesting it was read as a personal attack. I think there was a lot of positive complementary advice in there for those have ears to hear.

"real world experience and insight that could be gained and blended with yours and other similar pillars of the Shelby community's knowledge to make us all more knowledgeable about the intricacies of the Shelby cars we love. It would also make for a more vibrant online community/ forum."
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on February 06, 2024, 11:32:02 AM
It is probably best for us all to recognize that different people appreciate cars differently.  And some people can appreciate most any car, but the tradeoffs and conflicts between strictly assembly line original and a fun driving car personalized for the owner's preferences will always exist.  There is no right and wrong here, just different people enjoying different things in different ways.
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on February 06, 2024, 11:41:32 AM
Wife and I were at Barrett Jackson and we saw this 69 GT350. Based on the description :D and the included documentation it had to be a top notch car.  It even included a "rare" and desirable Matini Report.

QSS

PS  How come I can never figure out how to rotate a picture on this site?
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: shelbymann1970 on February 06, 2024, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on February 06, 2024, 11:41:32 AM
Wife and I were at Barrett Jackson and we saw this 69 GT350. Based on the description :D and the included documentation it had to be a top notch car.  It even included a "rare" and desirable Matini Report.

QSS

PS  How come I can never figure out how to rotate a picture on this site?
is it possible looking at your 2 pics that the pics default as "landscape" style?
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: FL SAAC on February 06, 2024, 11:54:46 AM
Cheers !
Title: Re: Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars
Post by: TLea on February 06, 2024, 11:56:53 AM
My last post probably seems out of context. The post I replied to suddenly disappeared