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nal owners’ names and addresses and

whatever was done to the car: replace

an alternator or even a complete en-

gine. Obviously this information

would be important to the present

owner. Somebody might think his car

had the original engine but the war-

ranty information shows that the

block was replaced at 7,000 miles.

SAAC: How were you recording this


LISKA: I was writing it down, long-

hand. I was sitting in front of this

screen for five years, sometimes from

6 or 7 in the morning until midnight.

I’d knock off and go to sleep and then

get up and go back to it the next day. I

found it so fascinating because it en-

abled me to fill in so many blanks on

cars we knew nothing about.

SAAC: So this information answered

a lot of questions about production.

LISKA: It answered questions like,

did Ford really put 427 engines in

1968 GT500s. A lot of owners thought

it did, but this warranty information

showed that it did not happen. Sud-

denly we had all of the serial numbers

and everything that was done to the

cars.We could now fill in the colors, be-

cause we didn’t have them for every

car. We knew things like transmis-

sions, rear ends and every option that

was on a Ford document.

SAAC: This was all done before we

created a computer database for reg-

istry information.

LISKA: Yes. I had 3” x 5” file boxes

and I typed the information onto

cards. Not that my handwriting was

difficult to read, but typing was just

neater and easier to read.

SAAC: So you had information on

every 1968, 1969 and 1970 Shelby.

LISKA: Almost every car. Some own-

ers never took their car in for war-

ranty service. But there were shipping

memos: if six cars were shipped by

Hadley Freight to a certain dealership

they were listed by VIN. So we could

determine the selling dealer. We were

also able to get copies of Lois Em-

minger’s documents.

SAAC: And for those who may not be

familiar with than name. who was


LISKA: Lois Emminger worked for

Ford Motor Company and I think her

boss had something to do with copy-

rights. He was a big shot at Ford and

if he sent her somewhere to get some-

thing, whoever she was dealing with

jumped, because they knew who he

was. She had worked her way into a

lot of things that nobody else was able

to get to. She got to ride in the first

Ford GT40 before Henry Ford II, who

was standing there waiting for his

turn. She had a lot of contacts. She

was also an early T-Bird enthusiast,

and was able to find some of the

records through the archives, of the

1957 T-Birds. She saw a market for

this and in the process of still being

able to store her stuff at the archives,

because there was room there that she

didn’t have at home, she found in-

voices for all of the early Mustangs,

Torinos, Cougars and the 1968-1969-

1970 Shelbys.

SAAC: So, she started offering copies

to owners?

LISKA: The copies she sold were ini-

tially cheap – $20 or $25. You would

get the #6 copy, but it was the real one,

on Ford paper. The first copy was the

window sticker for the car. The copy

Lois sold was the accounting copy,

which was a carbon of the first copy.

There were a half dozen copies for

each car; they went to various depart-


SAAC: Once Lois sent someone the

copy she had, did she have anything to

represent the car?

LISKA: She made a copy for her files.

She also saw that Howard and I were

trying to protect the integrity of the

cars, so she trusted us. She said she

would loan me all of the invoices for

1968, 1969 and 1970 Shelbys. I agreed

that they would be used only for re-

search; I wouldn’t be offering them for

sale to owners. And I would put them

in order because she had never thor-

oughly sorted them and complained of

having trouble finding some of them. I

drove to Michigan one Friday with

Pete Larkin, Greg Kolasa and Carol

Padden. We picked up the boxes from

Lois and checked into a Red Roof Inn

in Dearborn with a small copier we

had brought, two boxes of copier

paper – not reams but boxes of reams,

and some extra toner. For two days

straight, four of is made a copy of

everything. The copier was running

full time, and we were sorting and put-

ting the invoices in order. We would

take turns going out to eat. Every time

someone would press the button to

make a copy the lights in the room

would dim. When the housekeeper

came to clean the room we told her to

just do a quick job and give us clean

towels. We stepped outside to let her

clean the place so she wouldn’t worry

about being alone in the room with a

bunch of thugs.When she finished, she

said, “

What are you guys doing in

there? Running a business?

” We said

we were just making copies but she

didn’t understand that.

SAAC: How many copies did you

think you made?

LISKA: We used most of the paper so

we must have made 10,000 copies on

a little, used copier. Pete knew how to

maintain it, to clean a wire to keep the

copies legible and to keep it from jam-

ming. We worked for two days and

nights making copies. The trade-off for

Lois was that she would get them back

organized by serial number because

they had been sorted by dealer. She

appreciated that.

SAAC: Is Lois Emminger still around?

LISKA: She passed away in 2005. All

of the Mustang and Shelby paperwork

she had was purchased by Kevin

Marti. When someone purchases orig-

inal factory paperwork from him,

that’s where it came from.

SAAC: You acquired knowledge by

repetition, by looking at each invoice

and sorting them. Today, somebody

gets a registry and looks at all of the

serial numbers in order, and they have

no idea how they got into the registry.

LISKA: Exactly. How long it took to

put it all together, and all of the ways

that individual pieces had to come us

before we were able to get it to that

point. The final outcome, to me, is still

amazing. I find that when I’m talking

to a new owner, I am still experiencing

that thrill of putting another piece of

the puzzle together. And I can tell this

new owner who the car’s original

owner was and after these cars chang-

ing hands a number of times over the


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